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Greaper · (This post was last modified: 2011-07-05, 11:44 AM by Greaper.)

Mob.wz RCA Log

~~haha01haha01~~ · 2009-01-01, 09:57 AM

Greaper Wrote:The aim is to highlight the legal offence for hosting of private servers and risks involved for playing in illegal servers, such as planting trojans and spyware into players computers to steal their credit card data or important information.

I lol'd. people really need to stop using spyware as an excuse for everything.

Devil · 2009-01-01, 10:44 AM

*Sigh*

Well I'm not gonna do this discussion all over again, but Private Servers has NOTHING to do with Copyright (They didn't copy the server software, they made that software themselves), Piracy (They're not selling any stolen items), and let alone Trojans, Malware or Virusses...

They only thing Nexon/Asiasoft can "claim" to have a "copyright" on is -PROVIDING- a service (the server itself) that allows you to play maplestory...

However, Nexon, Asiasoft, or w/e company did NOT invent the idea of a "Server <-> Client Communication Structure". Nexon/Asiasoft also stole/ripped/pirated that idea from someone else, that is, the creators/inventors of the TCP/IP protocol... So imo Nexon/Asiasoft have totally no founded reason to claim private servers have anything to do with IP copyright/piracy/etc. They're claiming something that is not their own invention.

The question that the police should ask themselves is, if the mass-gachapon gambling that happens in-game is legal or not, especially because this game is targeted to children...

Anyway, Nexon's/Asiasoft's approach to Private servers comes very close to the gambling maffia in Asia that goes over dead bodies to secure their own profits, no matter the costs... Sueing / Attacking / Threatning everyone to secure your own gambling profits...

Puke on you Nexon/Asiasoft... lowlife shiet...

~~Kawasari Mimoto~~ · 2009-01-01, 10:57 AM

Guys, as much as I hate Nexon, I have to admit, this is happening with all or most MMOs. If you get caught making a private-server for WoW, assuming that you 'chose' to host it online, you can get fined too. It's not just Nexon, it's starting to happen with most MMOs.

The only MMO I can think of that this hasn't happened with is Phantasy Star Online ver. 1 / 2 / Blue Burst because their MMO for all 3 of these versions was shut-down completely, and Phantasy Star Universe is the new MMO. So people wants to re-play the older ones, and apparently, Sega isn't going to do much about it, because quite frankly, they don't care.

Then again, unlike most private-servers from other games that I've witnessed, on the one that I play on PSO, the drop-rates were the same as the official-game, and the EXP needed to level seems slightly higher, or the monsters gives 'less' EXP. Exact opposite of MS p-servers, eh?

Slip · 2009-01-01, 10:57 AM

This is actually good news. Nexon America should at least make an announcement about private servers like Asiasoft did.

That'll at least warn hosters in advance that they're out looking for them.

Skylit · 2009-01-01, 10:59 AM

Quote:Currently, MapleStory is already a free-to-play game. We can download and play it free-of-charge so players really shouldn’t see the need to resort to private game servers to enjoy the game.

brb, loling.

Hazzy · (This post was last modified: 2009-01-01, 01:12 PM by Hazzy.)

Greaper Wrote:Not only the game play experience will not be as realistic as the official servers, the game support will not be present to make a wonderful experience

Wow, stereotypical much?
The only big feature that doesn't work in gMS pServers would be PQ. Unlike the 'official servers', there's events, the ease to get 3rd job in under a month without grinding all day, and, in servers like Odin, the need to work for your stuff. If I charged 10,000 dollars in NX and spent it on Gach, I'd be amongst the richest in the game... practicly over night. When there isn't a pay4more system in place as broken as Nexon', the game is a hell lot more fun. <_<
I'd trade a Money-Won't-Help-You-Now server like Odin for PQ anyday.

Oh, and did they just say Game support, as in GMs?
Odin had GMs online daily, and pretty effective ABs that users could see. Where's gMS's/SEA's active GMs?

pikAchu1986 · 2009-01-01, 11:49 AM

Devil Wrote:*Sigh*

Well I'm not gonna do this discussion all over again, but Private Servers has NOTHING to do with Copyright (They didn't copy the server software, they made that software themselves), Piracy (They're not selling any stolen items), and let alone Trojans, Malware or Virusses...

They only thing Nexon/Asiasoft can "claim" to have a "copyright" on is -PROVIDING- a service (the server itself) that allows you to play maplestory...

However, Nexon, Asiasoft, or w/e company did NOT invent the idea of a "Server <-> Client Communication Structure". Nexon/Asiasoft also stole/ripped/pirated that idea from someone else, that is, the creators/inventors of the TCP/IP protocol... So imo Nexon/Asiasoft have totally no founded reason to claim private servers have anything to do with IP copyright/piracy/etc. They're claiming something that is not their own invention.

The question that the police should ask themselves is, if the mass-gachapon gambling that happens in-game is legal or not, especially because this game is targeted to children...

Anyway, Nexon's/Asiasoft's approach to Private servers comes very close to the gambling maffia in Asia that goes over dead bodies to secure their own profits, no matter the costs... Sueing / Attacking / Threatning everyone to secure your own gambling profits...

Puke on you Nexon/Asiasoft... lowlife shiet...

i think you get the idea wrong..hosting private server does stealing intelligence property..what private server do is extract the wz file and copy/editing/changing the code and then host it in their own server..using the image alone already violated the copyright law...don;t mention about using the source code and publish it to the public...
i totally agree with asiasoft/nexon targeting private server, but not their action targeting fan based website...

Trystan28 · 2009-01-01, 11:49 AM

Kasuhitomi Wrote:Guys, as much as I hate Nexon, I have to admit, this is happening with all or most MMOs. If you get caught making a private-server for WoW, assuming that you 'chose' to host it online, you can get fined too. It's not just Nexon, it's starting to happen with most MMOs.

The only MMO I can think of that this hasn't happened with is Phantasy Star Online ver. 1 / 2 / Blue Burst because their MMO for all 3 of these versions was shut-down completely, and Phantasy Star Universe is the new MMO. So people wants to re-play the older ones, and apparently, Sega isn't going to do much about it, because quite frankly, they don't care.

Then again, unlike most private-servers from other games that I've witnessed, on the one that I play on PSO, the drop-rates were the same as the official-game, and the EXP needed to level seems slightly higher, or the monsters gives 'less' EXP. Exact opposite of MS p-servers, eh?

SEGA showed their hand on that one when they stopped updating the Xbox server in December of 2005, despite it taking another year or so before PSU would come out. Repeated calls to both SEGA and Microsoft resulted in lots of finger-pointing. Technically what Schthack is doing is illegal, in the same sense as this new rash of MS private server actions, which is why major fan sites for PSO (like, PSO-World for example) will still censor and/or ban you for even mentioning the name.

Lerk · 2009-01-01, 12:01 PM

Skylit Wrote:brb, loling.

To be fair, this is Asiasoft, and I hear they have actual GM presence over in SEA. :o

Lozmaster · 2009-01-01, 01:02 PM

Devil Wrote:*Sigh*

Well I'm not gonna do this discussion all over again, but Private Servers has NOTHING to do with Copyright (They didn't copy the server software, they made that software themselves), Piracy (They're not selling any stolen items), and let alone Trojans, Malware or Virusses...

http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=co...rch=search

Quote:the exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc.: works granted such right by law on or after January 1, 1978, are protected for the lifetime of the author or creator and for a period of 50 years after his or her death.

Last i checked, maple contains art, music/sound effects, nexon has the license to choose who can distribute it, and the rights to choose who can make copies of it for distribution.

Stereo · 2009-01-01, 01:19 PM

Lozmaster Wrote:nexon has the license to choose who can distribute it,

Last I checked, Maplestory is freely available on the Nexon website. Downloading the client is not stealing, they give it to you...

Mark · 2009-01-01, 03:02 PM

Sup, Nexon? I might actually give a sh'it if you banned hackers/harrassers.

Until then, I hope you continue losing money. (Yes, I know it's Asiasoft.)

Lozmaster · 2009-01-01, 04:24 PM

Stereo Wrote:Last I checked, Maplestory is freely available on the Nexon website. Downloading the client is not stealing, they give it to you...

Distribution doesn't refer JUST to the client, it refers to the right to run a version of maplestory in a specific region, Which are given to Nexon, Asiasoft , Shanda Corp. , Gamania and Level up games! for various regions.

ItzTaylor · 2009-01-01, 05:24 PM

I'm not for Private Servers. I think it ruins the point and the fun of the game.

It will get you hooked to it, then when it's gone, you will play the normal game, and not have fun on it, cause your used to doing impossible stuff on private servers.

Fine Private Servers,

Don't Fine Fan Sites, who extract your data.

Hazzy · 2009-01-01, 05:28 PM

ItzTaylor Wrote:I'm not for Private Servers. I think it ruins the point and the fun of the game.

It will get you hooked to it, then when it's gone, you will play the normal game, and not have fun on it, cause your used to doing impossible stuff on private servers.

Fine Private Servers,

Don't Fine Fan Sites, who extract your data.

Not all servers do impossible stuff. ie, Odin.

Devil · 2009-01-01, 05:41 PM

pikAchu1986 Wrote:i think you get the idea wrong..hosting private server does stealing intelligence property..what private server do is extract the wz file and copy/editing/changing the code and then host it in their own server..using the image alone already violated the copyright law...don;t mention about using the source code and publish it to the public...
i totally agree with asiasoft/nexon targeting private server, but not their action targeting fan based website...

Uhm, no, no , a private server does not host/edit/extract any wz file. It's just a very simple self generated MySQL database hooked on self programmed server code... There is no material from Nexon at all present on a server...

Lozmaster Wrote:http://dictionary.reference.com/dic?q=co...rch=search

Last i checked, maple contains art, music/sound effects, nexon has the license to choose who can distribute it, and the rights to choose who can make copies of it for distribution.

Private servers don't host any of the art/music/etc of maplestory. They operate without Maplestory being installed on that server.

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Just a small correction of facts. Smile

Lozmaster · 2009-01-01, 05:53 PM

Devil Wrote:Private servers don't host any of the art/music/etc of maplestory. They operate without Maplestory being installed on that server.

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Just a small correction of facts.

LOL Ok, prove to me a private server uses no maple art or music in the game they host then, this should be intresting.

Devil · 2009-01-01, 06:03 PM

Lozmaster Wrote:LOL Ok, prove to me a private server uses no maple art or music in the game they host then, this should be intresting.

All art and music are hosted on the client who logs in at the private server, nothing needs to be hosted the server itself. That's why you have to download maplestory to play it, and that's why maplestory is so relative "easy" to hack for hackers, almost EVERYTHING is client sided. The only thing a maplestory server does, is save all player data (all items that are possesed) in a database and connect the different clients that login to it to they can communicate with each other...

AFAIK, all pservers work like this...

Lozmaster · 2009-01-01, 06:47 PM

Devil Wrote:All art and music are hosted on the client who logs in at the private server, nothing needs to be hosted the server itself. That's why you have to download maplestory to play it, and that's why maplestory is so relative "easy" to hack for hackers, almost EVERYTHING is client sided. The only thing a maplestory server does, is save all player data (all items that are possesed) in a database and connect the different clients that login to it to they can communicate with each other...

AFAIK, all pservers work like this...

...So you agree they USE the art and music in a way not solicited by nexon? then it breaks the copyright. It doesn't need to be hosted anywhere. >_>

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