2012-03-31, 06:40 AM (This post was last modified: 2012-04-28, 08:08 AM by Link.)
With the Union/Justice revamp approaching for Vipers and Thieves, I've decided to record a couple of videos, demonstrating the differences between how Vipers currently play in different situations and how they will play after the revamp comes. If you have any suggestions on what kind of places/situations to record at, I will try my best to capture footage of it if it's possible for me to do so. Polantaris will also be joining me in some of the videos, although I'm not sure how well I can capture the differences for Paladins from my side of things.
*Note* The damage you see in this video done with critical hits is inaccurate. There is a disaplay bug that makes every hit after a critical on a multiple hit attack do the same exact damage as a critical. This is not the real damage done to the monster, though the numbers are very well within my character's abilities.
I realize I messed up in a couple of parts of this video. My computers are all at the end of their lives, so they're a bit laggy. I also have Demolition set to a macro for convenience at certain bosses. Unfortunately, it gets in the way sometimes at Papulatus, when he uses invulnerability frames or goes inside his shell. The misses you see in this video are a direct portayal of that problem. Moreover, the leap in the second video not being made was my fault. I released Screw Punch far too early. I'm usually better at timing that, but it seemed to have slipped from my grasp today. I apologize for all mistakes made during this video.
I only recorded one run because the first one was way too laggy to do anything right. The second one was iffy too, as to whether or not I'd upload it, but I decided "why the hell not?" I'm not entirely certain if there's a better way to fight Papulatus now that we can't stand on the one platform for very long and attack, but if I do find a better method than this eventually, I'll upload another video that consists of two runs back to back rather than just one botched run. As you can see, it was very laggy. I shouldn't have used the bigger resolution to record with. Oh, well. That's something to take note of for next time.
*Note* I did not record the battle with Grandpa (大親分 because I was getting some strange potion lag (which you can witness in the video itself) and for the fact that Grandpa is an asshole.
There are only two of us foreigners left in JapanMS at the moment. We're both relatively high-leveled (179 Viper and 162 Paladin), but neither of us can really afford potential stats, so our strength is certainly not as high as it could be. We're both donned in full Empress sets. In my opinion, we do quite well for two of the weakest classes in the game. Please, do not leave any negative remarks toward us.
As I said with the last video, neither of the two of us are all that well funded. We have full Empress sets, but they don't exactly have the greatest potential on them (or even anything good at all), since we don't care to cube our gear at all (or just simply can't afford to spend that much money). We try our best with what we can get with in-game money (Mesos and NX gained through the MTS). I hope you can respect that and not call our damage low simply because we do not have over-cubed items.
An interesting thing is, after we completed this run, we went on another run and defeated Zakum in 4 minutes. I probably should've recorded that one too... I wonder how fast each of us can solo it.
Anywho, you might see me holding down Fists or "Barrage" in this video at times. My computer is at its life's end, so it's extremely laggy. On top of that, I'm using a USB keyboard, which doesn't have the best respond time. That, coupled with the lag, makes the computer pick up my keyboard as a really low priority. So, instead of doing actual skill combinations, I just held down the key for "Barrage." It's probably not the single best solution, but that's the one I took. Don't like it? Deal with it.
Hopefully, we'll get some idea as to when the Thief and Viper revamps will hit JapanMS on the 11th. I'll try getting videos out after that patch as soon as possible.
All of these videos will have my equipment and level the same to get the best quality demonstrations that I can give. I will continue to update this post with more videos as they are recorded, rendered and uploaded. As a bonus, after the revamps come, I will try to get a solo video of Zakum and possibly the Body Guards (though, I'm not certain the Body Guard one will come to pass, given the whole stun issue with Body Guard A).
Elven Emily Wrote:My prediction is April or May, since you guys seem to get your updates 1 month ahead of us.
I'm 99% positive it will be one of the dates I mentioned above, since we got the Adventurer/Cygnus revamp on the 21st of March (not all of it, for some weird reason; Certain Paladin skills didn't get all of the proper changes). I don't know the exact date, because some events end on the 11th while others end on the 25th, both dates having a scheduled maintenance.
Anywho, the original post is now updated with the Body Guards video. Enjoy.
Link Wrote:I'm 99% positive it will be one of the dates I mentioned above, since we got the Adventurer/Cygnus revamp on the 21st of March (not all of it, for some weird reason; Certain Paladin skills didn't get all of the proper changes). I don't know the exact date, because some events end on the 11th while others end on the 25th, both dates having a scheduled maintenance.
Anywho, the original post is now updated with the Body Guards video. Enjoy.
I think the 11th is more likely since it's pretty common for multiple maples to update on the same day (like on the 21st-22nd, GMS, KMS, and EMS).
Anyway, nice videos. I wonder if the post revamp ones will include the unwanted laser skill.
Elven Emily Wrote:I think the 11th is more likely since it's pretty common for multiple maples to update on the same day (like on the 21st-22nd, GMS, KMS, and EMS).
Anyway, nice videos. I wonder if the post revamp ones will include the unwanted laser skill.
I dunno, they tend not to update until they finish all of their scheduled events. The Maintenance on the 11th is more likely a Cash Shop update than anything else. They re-added the NPCs for the Premium Mini-Dungeon system, so I expect them to be adding the Cash Item for those soon.
As for the Bodyguard video, ShiKage should have told me he was recording...I kinda stopped paying attention for some of it, and got stuck in attack lockout. Was half watching TV at the time xD.
The multi crit thing isn't a glitch, but if the damage is the same as the first crit then that would be a glitch. Dunno which one you were referring to as the glitch.
Takebacker Wrote:The multi crit thing isn't a glitch, but if the damage is the same as the first crit then that would be a glitch. Dunno which one you were referring to as the glitch.
The very first hit against the Papalatus Orb thing is an example of what he's talking about. The first two hits are normal, and then the other four are all criticals with the exact same numbers.
It's weird because although nothing was changed with Pirates in the last update, they suddenly got this display bug. They didn't have it last patch.
Polantaris Wrote:The very first hit against the Papalatus Orb thing is an example of what he's talking about. The first two hits are normal, and then the other four are all criticals with the exact same numbers.
It's weird because although nothing was changed with Pirates in the last update, they suddenly got this display bug. They didn't have it last patch.
Here's a short game play demonstration I made. I hate this video, but I've lost care while trying to record. In fact, it's probably the worst video I've ever put up. The keyboard I'm using is such a piece of shit that it doesn't react to my keystrokes sometimes, so attacks don't get activated immediately (there's usually a big delay, which is why you'll see me pause sometimes before I attack) and sometimes, attacks don't even work (which is why you see me jump into enemies instead of jump-attacking enemies).
With that said, this is only a demonstration of how the class is played, not a demonstration of how well I can control my character. This is for the sake of comparing pre-Justice Viper to post-Justice Viper, to go along with the other videos I've uploaded. I will make a post-Justice version of all of these videos once the revamp hits JMS next week (hopefully with better control over my character's actions).
Also, I chose Oblivion 4 because I simply do not know where else to go. I have no idea what can exhibit the play style of the Viper class like Oblivion 4 can. If anyone has any better suggestions, I can try making another video, but I have no guarantees about it. I've done Oblivion 4 so many times in the past, which made me question even making this video. It's just... over used.
Use of Energy Orb was unnecessary, since it's so slow, but I only used it for variety. It kind of gets old just using Buster and Dragon Strike, don't you agree?
Yeah I was gonna comment on your control (well more about the pauses you take) but you already talked about that. though I feel like you should show more variety by using snatch w/e DS. But then again since your keyboard sucks its kinda hard to show how fluent the class can be played.
And you can go to future henesys. But they dont have as many mobs nor are they as compacted. So I think Oblivion 5 was a good choice. You also could use a crapper knuckle and look for a map with a better layout. though I'm shooting a blank atm.
Well, I want to keep my equipment the same to show the differences of post-revamp with the very same equipment. Plus, my knuckle is already pretty weak. Most of my damage comes from the full Empress set. lol It was kind of hard to show very much of what the class can do while doing so much damage, though...
I really miss being able to play (and record, for that matter) on my laptop with its keyboard. I used to be able to play so fluidly with it. Ever since it broke, I've had to use some ancient USB keyboard that shows its age as far as how it works.
I only recorded one run because the first one was way too laggy to do anything right. The second one was iffy too, as to whether or not I'd upload it, but I decided "why the hell not?" I'm not entirely certain if there's a better way to fight Papulatus now that we can't stand on the one platform for very long and attack, but if I do find a better method than this eventually, I'll upload another video that consists of two runs back to back rather than just one botched run. As you can see, it was very laggy. I shouldn't have used the bigger resolution to record with. Oh, well. That's something to take note of for next time.
I'll attempt to record Zakum and BG tomorrow. I'm not certain they're going to play out well.
I didn't manage to capture a Bodyguard run today. When we entered and summoned BGA, I switched to window mode and the client borked on me, so I had to close it. >_> However, I did manage to capture two Zakum runs. I'll only show one, though.
The second run was faster than the first one by a few seconds (or more, if you consider the fact that I had Dice 5 and Double 4s in the first run), but I uploaded the first run simply because I better demonstrated the use of Sommersault Kick for dodging attacks (although I did manage to miss a few due to the strange lag I was getting).
IllegallySane Wrote:Probably the most obvious question everyone will ask.
How do you feel about the post-revamp playstyle? Is it terrible? Surprisingly good? A bit of both? Are the changes worth it for the better?
A bit of both and yes and no. xd
It surprised me how interesting it can be, but I can already find myself getting bored as f'ucking crazy with Energy Blast once the newness wears off. I'm loving the single target damage ability, but the survivability decrease and how much we get hit annoys me greatly. I miss a lot about the old style, but the new style is a bajillion times easier. It's worth it if you like doing bosses like Zakum and stuff. It's not really worth it if you need the survivability we used to have. Lmao
Oh, and Energy Buster, Tornado Upper and Shockwave are all terrible as f'uck skills, so you basically only have 3 attacks in your arsenal now (+ Summersault Kick for dodging stuff).
because I was getting some strange potion lag (which you can witness in the video itself) and for the fact that Grandpa is an 
