The Truth.

One of the things that annoys me the most is how lying is perfectly acceptable in today's society.


They say that when a child is raised by parents who lie the child is more likely to lie, but even though I was raised by parents who lied to everyone they knew I've always hated lying. And I don't believe in lying for anything even to avoid hurting someone's feelings.

Of course I have lied before, and even though all 5 of them were what you call little white lies I hated it and myself for lying each time.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/educa...119297.stm

[color="#000080"] I don't mind lying for convenience sometimes. You know, to avoid your mom yelling at you, etc.

I don't know though, big lies covering other lies end up bad. From personal experience. When I started high school at 11~12, I used to lie to get out of trouble and it became a necessity. I needed theraphy later to get rid of it at like 17. [/color]

I think you should always tell the truth unless it's only going to make things worse. Most of the time I just keep my mouth shut so I don't really have problems with it.

I've only lied to get away from confrontations or troublesome situations. I don't see a need to lie about everything.

ie: Tell me parents I'm going to work, when I'm really not, and actually going elsewhere. Why? Because being at home sucks and all they do is complain.

I think this thread is really stupid and only brings up rudimentary points when it comes to the phenomena of lying. The OP insinuates that he has only lied five times, which is probably a lie. Either that or he is delusional into honestly believing that he has only told five lies. It is possible that the OP has never had to really tolerate a collective work environment or has had to deal with other people. Most likely he is not counting fake pleasantries such as, "Wow Omni. That's a great point you make. Now listen to mine."

I think this thread is really stupid

A thread designed to gather and store the various opinions of fellow Southperry members on a subject is never stupid.

A thread designed to gather and store the various opinions of fellow Southperry members on a subject is never stupid.

It is when those members have stupid opinions that can already be expected in my mind. Then you've just make a stupid thread to collect stupid opinions. Which is stupid. Oh wait. I should have lied and said that I think your comment merits consideration. I'm sorry.

I have a question, am I disrespecting you by being frank and honest in the delivery of my opinions? Is it better if I fake pleasantries that I don't really feel in order to make this conversation tolerable to you and the other posters?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scien...etend.html

Baby You was such an pimento that you started lying before you could even speak.
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I should have lied and said that I think your comment merits consideration. I'm sorry.

Because I asked you to agree with me.

I have a question, am I disrespecting you by being frank and honest in the delivery of my opinions?

No.

To blanketly say "lying is never good" is not something I can backup. I know there would be situations where lying could have benefits, even if I can't draw upon a realistic one right now. As Jumba from Lilo and Stitch said: Lies are the thread that old the T Shirt of society together.

I think this thread is really stupid and only brings up rudimentary points when it comes to the phenomena of lying. The OP insinuates that he has only lied five times, which is probably a lie. Either that or he is delusional into honestly believing that he has only told five lies. It is possible that the OP has never had to really tolerate a collective work environment or has had to deal with other people. Most likely he is not counting fake pleasantries such as, "Wow Omni. That's a great point you make. Now listen to mine."

Because I asked you to agree with me.

There is a difference between having a disagreeable opinion and having an inferior opinion. Making an insightful argument that counters mine would still merit consideration. I'm open to the fact that I can be wrong. But assuming that I will respect an opinion, without bothering to explain why that opinion deserves respect and further consideration is another matter entirely. Often times we cite journal articles as evidence, bring up statistics, and other forms of arguments to strengthen the validity and respect other people should have for our opinions. In Ayn Rand's book "The Fountainhead" this is called integrity. Integrity is fundamental to truth as it brings into focus the objective, the mathematical, and other forms of observation to enforce our subjective reasoning. It acknowledges a truth outside of our own reasoning and takes that into account before selfishly advocating a single idea, our idea, my idea, or your idea. That is integrity and I respect the opinions of people who make that extra step to come closer to the truth.

Hello there, Kant, you who believe that lying is the worst opinion, even if that means death for a hostage or another human.

There are many people who lie to their kids in order to protect them from the truth. By doing so, they actually gain more knowledge that they would if they didn't lie. Paradoxical as it sounds, there are some kinds of knowledge that get in the way of other kinds of knowledge. If you're going to learn that the world is a brutal place full of people trying to take advantage of one another, you're better off learning it last. Otherwise you won't bother learning much more.

Paradoxical as it sounds, there are some kinds of knowledge that get in the way of other kinds of knowledge. If you're going to learn that the world is a brutal place full of people trying to take advantage of one another, you're better off learning it last. Otherwise you won't bother learning much more.

The world sucks and it's made up of people who are self-serving. Self-preservation is animal instinct. First comes your needs and then when you've had your fill, you might give to other people. This should be one of the first things that people learn so that they don't get swindled or conned by other people. Otherwise you won't be given any opportunities, period.

College courses for instance are mostly graded on a class bell curve. This basically means that if you are relatively smarter than your classmates, your grades will be around a B/A. If you are relatively dumber than your classmates, your grades will be around D/C. In harder classes, the competition can get brutal as everyone wants to get higher grades. This is because we often associate higher grades with success and a better life. Hence self-preservation.

If a child isn't aware that other children want the same things they do, work as hard as they do, and may compete harder for them in order to get it, then they will be screwed. Even wolves have a theory of mind and acknowledge that other animals have sentient thought processes that dictate terms for survival and self-preservation. This is what allows them to coordinate within the pack (coordination) and corner other animals (flanking movements).

If you're afraid of other people being jerks, then you are screwed. Because other people will come and take everything from you, if you don't fight back.

Telemarketers say hi.

Telling the truth is good in i'd say 90% of situations. In the other 10% a lie would be needed to make a better outcome.

By the way, everybody lies, all the time, everyday.

Hello there, Kant, you who believe that lying is the worst opinion, even if that means death for a hostage or another human.

I mix a little Kant with a little Mill. So far it works for me in life. Don't take to heart everything Kant says, while not going too far with Mill.

Mm it depends on the situation. I rarely lie, because I like having the trust people give you for being honest, but as they say the truth hurts, and isn't it better to save someone the humiliation of hurting them with the truth..? Not always of course but I think sometimes it is called for.

The OP insinuates that he has only lied five times, which is probably a lie. Either that or he is delusional into honestly believing that he has only told five lies. It is possible that the OP has never had to really tolerate a collective work environment or has had to deal with other people. Most likely he is not counting fake pleasantries such as, "Wow Omni. That's a great point you make. Now listen to mine."

No, I am not lying when I say I have only lied 5 times in my lifetime. And I never do fake pleasantries, never. If a person has a problem with me telling them how they are acting that is there problem, I will not degrade myself by lying just so a person can feel better about themselves.

Hello there, Kant, you who believe that lying is the worst opinion, even if that means death for a hostage or another human.

Are you saying that option A is telling the truth having the person die and option B is lying to save the person's life? Because I would go for option C or D, there is always another way. Just like lying is a way to get around telling the truth, there is a way to get around telling both the truth and a lie.

Are you saying that option A is telling the truth having the person die and option B is lying to save the person's life? Because I would go for option C or D, there is always another way. Just like lying is a way to get around telling the truth, there is a way to get around telling both the truth and a lie.

It's Kantian philosophy, being very lawful and good. It's not that there's not another option, it's just how Kant's philosophy works.