Kid Confused by Gay Marriage

[video=youtube;sWaNGukzpB0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWaNGukzpB0&feature=popular[/video]

TBH, i find it cute
*the man in there is GL*

Sex Ed is going to be so awkward for this kid.

Hope that people are not born assholes who don't realize that I cant change the fact that I like men and that do not accept love between two individuals.

Hope that people are not born assholes who don't realize that I cant change the fact that I like men and that do not accept love between two individuals.

Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against nature?

Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against nature?

Oshi-

You gon' take that, Ceddybear?

Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against nature?

Betch please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_...in_animals

Betch please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_...in_animals

So you are inferring that gay people are animals? That is an accurate depiction, though.

OT-Sad that innocence is being taken at a young age.

So you are inferring that gay people are animals? That is an accurate depiction, though.

OT-Sad that innocence is being taken at a young age.

Because Heterosexual behavior is not present in animals ?
We are all animals in the end.
Why is his innocence being taken ? Innocence is taken when people put it in that little kid's head that two people of the same gender cannot love eachother and that it is wrong and inhuman and he becomesa gay basher.
TBH, I'm not good at debating but i'll try

Because Heterosexual behavior is not present in animals ?
We are all animals in the end.
Why is his innocence being taken ? Innocence is taken when people put it in that little kid's head that two people of the same gender cannot love eachother and that it is wrong and inhuman and he becomesa gay basher.
TBH, I'm not good at debating but i'll try

Who's to say anyone would be telling him that being gay was wrong?

To be honest, I have no problem with gays. However, I do feel that it is appropriate to sort of shelter children from the concept at such a young age. If my child is gay later in life, on their own accord, then w/e. But, I'd rather not have my child knowing about things like that when they're still innocent. It is just like someone showing a kid hardcore porn (don't think I'm equating being gay to hardcore porn). Sure, they're going to see it sometime int heir life, but they just aren't ready for it at that age.

EDIT: I guess another thing that could be similar to a situation like this is cussing. Do I care that people cuss? No. Would I want them cussing around my children? Of course not. Will my children eventually cuss? Yes, but hopefully they'll learn it at a more appropriate age. Though, of course, in regards to cussing, that will probably never happen because it is EVERYWHERE.

Because Heterosexual behavior is not present in animals ?
We are all animals in the end.
Why is his innocence being taken ? Innocence is taken when people put it in that little kid's head that two people of the same gender cannot love eachother and that it is wrong and inhuman and he becomesa gay basher.
TBH, I'm not good at debating but i'll try

Hetersoexual nature is present in all animals becuase it is necessary for the existence of life. Being homosexual nets nothing but pleasure, and does not help further the chain of evolution, thus being pointless. Your argument regarding inhuman love makes me chuckle because the act you defend is in itself inhuman. But we'll leave that discussion out of this thread.

Support Matt's response in regards to innocence, that boy did not need to be brought into that discussion until he is able to fully comprehend what it means.

KK, i'll go back to being straight?
lol, im bad at this. Thou shalt wait for other gays to come in this thread, and debate, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Edit: nvm previous post.

I think the guys in the video were being idiots. No offence.

I don't even get the arguments in this thread.

Hope that people are not born assholes who don't realize that I cant change the fact that I like men and that do not accept love between two individuals. -> an opinion

"Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against nature?"
>implying gay is not natural, a better sentence would be
Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against what the kid was taught before.

"So you are inferring that gay people are animals? That is an accurate depiction, though."
Humans are animals.


"To be honest, I have no problem with gays. However, I do feel that it is appropriate to sort of shelter children from the concept at such a young age. If my child is gay later in life, on their own accord, then w/e. But, I'd rather not have my child knowing about things like that when they're still innocent. It is just like someone showing a kid hardcore porn (don't think I'm equating being gay to hardcore porn). Sure, they're going to see it sometime int heir life, but they just aren't ready for it at that age."
What do you mean by the concept? If you meant the concept of a guy sticking his penis in another guy's ass, then I agree. If you meant the concept of a guy could marry another guy, then I disagree, because you'll have to avoid gay people, which is a discrimination.

"Hetersoexual nature is present in all animals becuase it is necessary for the existence of life. Being homosexual nets nothing but pleasure, and does not help further the chain of evolution, thus being pointless."
The only thing needed for the continuing existing of a specie is reproductivity and food to survive, everything else is pointless asides from that by the definition of "pointless" above.

Who's to say anyone would be telling him that being gay was wrong?

To be honest, I have no problem with gays. However, I do feel that it is appropriate to sort of shelter children from the concept at such a young age.

On the contrary, I find that it's much easier to explain the concept of gay marriage at an early age.
I just tell them that two people get married when they love each other and want to spend their lives together. Why should it matter whether they are one boy and one girl or two girls or two boys?
To a small child, who doesn't know about reproduction or sex, this makes easy sense. After all, they can be friends with either boys or girls, can play any game with either boys or girls, why would getting married be restricted?
They might be confused because they'd never seen or heard of a gay couple, but I just tell them that, yeah, it's pretty rare. Most princes fall in love with princesses. But sometimes a prince falls in love with another prince, and they get married and live happily ever after, too.

Knowing this won't make your kid gay. That's the difference from cussing. Kids hear words, they use them. But kids know of gays, they don't become gay. Might make them experiment at some point, but if it's not the way their brain is wired, they will conclude that the opposite sex is more fun.

I don't even get the arguments in this thread.

Hope that people are not born assholes who don't realize that I cant change the fact that I like men and that do not accept love between two individuals. -> an opinion

"Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against nature?"
>implying gay is not natural, a better sentence would be
Why are you arguing this because of a little kid who would not understand something that goes against what the kid was taught before.

"So you are inferring that gay people are animals? That is an accurate depiction, though."
Humans are animals.


"To be honest, I have no problem with gays. However, I do feel that it is appropriate to sort of shelter children from the concept at such a young age. If my child is gay later in life, on their own accord, then w/e. But, I'd rather not have my child knowing about things like that when they're still innocent. It is just like someone showing a kid hardcore porn (don't think I'm equating being gay to hardcore porn). Sure, they're going to see it sometime int heir life, but they just aren't ready for it at that age."
What do you mean by the concept? If you meant the concept of a guy sticking his penis in another guy's ass, then I agree. If you meant the concept of a guy could marry another guy, then I disagree, because you'll have to avoid gay people, which is a discrimination.

"Hetersoexual nature is present in all animals becuase it is necessary for the existence of life. Being homosexual nets nothing but pleasure, and does not help further the chain of evolution, thus being pointless."
The only thing needed for the continuing existing of a specie is reproductivity and food to survive, everything else is pointless asides from that by the definition of "pointless" above.

I wouldn't just keep my children from ever meeting a gay person. I'd just hope that that person can respect that the parent should be the one telling him "occasionally a man and a man. . ." or w/e. Can't they just not say they are married to my children?

I wouldn't just keep my children from ever meeting a gay person. I'd just hope that that person can respect that the parent should be the one telling him "occasionally a man and a man. . ." or w/e. Can't they just not say they are married to my children?

And shelter the child with ignorance? It is ignorance itself that causes discrimination. People fear what is alien to them, and shun it.

Posting on Southperry nets nothing but pleasure, and does not help further the chain of evolution, thus being pointless.

c wut i did dar?

Go troll Basil or SW please, keep it in the Funhouse / not on SouthPerry.

Kurtle, do you enjoy having people tell you you cannot live your life the way you prefer? Especially when the actions you take to lead that lifestyle have no effect (let alone negative ones) on the person telling you you can't be like that? I bet Ceddy just loves it.

Someone else being gay does not in anyway endanger your life, your liberty, or your property. So I hope you aren't of the stance that the government has any place making a decision to block gay rights or marriage. Leave that to the pettier religious institutions.
Slightly tangential: At the same time, even if I disagree with what you say, I will defend your right to say it- or however that line goes. So by all means, carry on telling the world how "unnatural" homosexuality is. But I do hope you stick to trying to convince the individual, and not pressure any policy enactment. This goes for explaining the concept of gay marriage as well, even to a child.
Back on track: He clearly understand the concepts of husband, wife, and that they are (in most modern cases) linked by love. What's happening here is that he's realizing that husband and wife are simply terms attached to one gender or the other, and any combination thereof can constitute a marriage. I think he's at the perfect age to have this explained. From what I see in the video alone, it seem to have been explained in un-loaded un-political terms. Which is the way to do it. Obviously the video is out of context, so I'm sure there's a slant in there somewhere, but that's largely irrelevant to my point. Tolerance begins with conversation. If he doesn't hear that it's acceptable for a marriage to be made of a husband and wife, husband and husband, or wife and wife, he'll grow up as a sponge for any number of stereotypes. He may internalize a message of tolerance, one of hatred, one of ambivalence or one of apathy. It's an unnecessary gamble that helps perpetuate intolerance- whether open intolerance or closeted intolerance - for another generation.
Getting tangential again: This applies to racism and xenophobia in exactly the same manner. And these articles might make it a little clearer what I'm trying to say. Just replace "racism" with "homosexuality" and viola
http://www.parenting.com/article/Toddler...-With-Kids
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2010/02/how...cist-kids/

Most kids just gradually understand what gay means.

I don't remember it being taught to me. I was just like: Ok, whatever...

Who's to say anyone would be telling him that being gay was wrong?

To be honest, I have no problem with gays. However, I do feel that it is appropriate to sort of shelter children from the concept at such a young age. If my child is gay later in life, on their own accord, then w/e. But, I'd rather not have my child knowing about things like that when they're still innocent. It is just like someone showing a kid hardcore porn (don't think I'm equating being gay to hardcore porn). Sure, they're going to see it sometime int heir life, but they just aren't ready for it at that age.

EDIT: I guess another thing that could be similar to a situation like this is cussing. Do I care that people cuss? No. Would I want them cussing around my children? Of course not. Will my children eventually cuss? Yes, but hopefully they'll learn it at a more appropriate age. Though, of course, in regards to cussing, that will probably never happen because it is EVERYWHERE.

I actually partially agree with this. I believe sheltering a child is wrong, and that one should allow them to learn and understand something when their curiosity drives them to seek such understanding. However, there are things in this world where it is safe to not introduce younger children to until they demonstrate such a thirst for knowledge. At the same time, though, "limits" need to be set up for cases like these. For example, when learning about anything pertaining to homosexuality, such fact should be taught alongside the heterosexual fact. One specific instance would be in learning about sexual education. In later stages of sex ed where abstinence is taught, like programs in high school, means of sex employed by homosexuals for pleasure should be explored as it is understood students understand the pleasurable nature of sex by this point (why abstinence must be taught). I'm not saying you introduce and discuss the biological process of anal sex, but rather mention it as a means for sexual pleasure that all sexual orientations can employ, and mention that it is thus used most commonly by homosexual males.

Regulation on knowledge is definitely a tricky subject, but I believe that with such caution and observation as to one's capabilities of maturity and curiosity, the right decisions can be made with knowing when to divulge certain information.

KK, i'll go back to being straight?
lol, im bad at this. Thou shalt wait for other gays to come in this thread, and debate, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

No worries; Kurtle's only in his mid-teens anyways. He's extremely hormonal and highly impressionable from his peers over his parents. While his cognitive abilities may have increased far beyond those of his peers, affording him a unique maturity that allows him to discuss topics usually studied by his older peers, he may still be confused between "right" and "wrong" in his search for identity. Therefore, while his points may follow a plausible logic flow, his information is lacking and affords him a lone, one-sided approach to the issue at hand.

Kurtle, if you want to discuss this further I'd be happy to debate via PM. You're bright for your age and curious in more abstract, complex ideas in this world, as evidenced by the plethora of quotes, symbols, and pictures of Ayn Rand and her famous Atlas Shrugged that permeate your signature and avatar, and thus I would like to hear what you have to say about the issue, provided you'll open your mind to what I have to say as well. In the meantime, and before we talk, watch this:

[video=youtube;PooEhBxh0NY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PooEhBxh0NY[/video]