Dex question for dits

So im actually completely new to the bandit class, like i dont get what you need str for? i know there are such things as str bandits, but i want to be a regular LUK bandit. I have alot of questions and im basically looking for a guide, its just i never found one in 3 maple forums. I was wondering if some experienced dits can answer my questions individually.

1) whats with the 3 stats (luk, dex, str)

2) im NOT becoming a str bandit, im becoming a luk bandit, does that mean i dont have to worry about STR at all?and just concentrate on luk and dex?

3) I dont want go reg dex(btw what is reg dex? twice level?) because i plan to hit 4th job and plan to acquire zhelm and ht pendant and such in the future. so what would be a dex i could work with for now, and i dont mind using common equips.

4) Im very confused about weapon choices for bandits, from my knowledge there are 2 types, one is like a dagger or a short sword, and the other kind of looks like a claw and some have this moon shape like a pizza cutter or something. So someone enlightened me about dits weapons. Also i heard something like there are daggers that require str and some require luk and dex. Is choosing weapons kinda like choosing builds? Do i stick to one weapon? Im guesing i would stick to the weapons that doesnt require str... I actually have no idea lol so any help would be appreciated

5) at lvl 30 do i max savage blow first or dagger mastery?

STR bandits can use the lvl 80 Khanjar shield with 7 att and 1 LUK requiring 60 STR as well as the lvl 120 Dragon Khanjar shield with 15 att and 2 LUK requiring 75 STR. Both also have DEX requirements. Those shields are the soul reasons why people have left the concept of the LUK bandit. Also for example, getting 45 stats from a zak helm instead of 30 makes a nice diffrence.

But if you ignore those shields and the improvements of zhelms, ht pends etc, and stick with just LUK and DEX, its simple enough. Let the gear you have help you get enough DEX to wear the highest possible LUK dagger and pump most into AP into LUK. If you pump in the requirement for say a lvl 100 dagger directly into DEX, you will regret it. I'd say DEX capped at around the req. for a lvl 30-50 weapon (depending on your funds) might be a good idea. It will let you use normal class gear scrolled with LUK where you can, and DEX where that is the only option (earrings, pants face gear etc) and still be able to use a reverse Killic dagger when you are high enough.

In conclusion, the potential for a STR Shadower far exceeds a LUK one, but if you go with LUK you will be a class branch that is as rare as axe heroes and pure pole arm DrKs

Hope this is somewhat helpful!

so the most str a str bandit would ever need is 75 at max? If i were to go str bandit, would i start putting into str at low levels, or wait till later to start. Also what do you mean by benefiting more from zhelms, i thought zhelm was all 15 stats.

so the most str a str bandit would ever need is 75 at max? If i were to go str bandit, would i start putting into str at low levels, or wait till later to start. Also what do you mean by benefiting more from zhelms, i thought zhelm was all 15 stats.

Yes, since the reverse Pescas dagger also requires 75 STR, thats the highest amount you currently need.
The zak helms adds 15 of each stat. As a NL I can make use of the LUK and DEX, 30 stats. As a STR shadower you can make use of LUK, DEX and STR, 45 stats.

If i were to go str bandit, would i start putting into str at low levels, or wait till later to start.

It's only worth it to be a str dit when you can equip the khanjars, so you would only start adding to strength when you are able to use the shields. You also have to consider that if you add up to 60str at level 70, you will have more than 75str at level 120 (because of HTP) so it could be a good idea to plan that out really well so you don't end up with more STR than needed (using str equips for level 70-119 and then switching out when you get the HTP, for example)

So im actually completely new to the bandit class, like i dont get what you need str for? i know there are such things as str bandits, but i want to be a regular LUK bandit. I have alot of questions and im basically looking for a guide, its just i never found one in 3 maple forums. I was wondering if some experienced dits can answer my questions individually.

1) whats with the 3 stats (luk, dex, str)

As stated earlier STR is used to equip str daggers and the dragon khanjar, both which have higher base attack than the luk counterpart.

2) im NOT becoming a str bandit, im becoming a luk bandit, does that mean i dont have to worry about STR at all?and just concentrate on luk and dex?

I wouldn't throw away that option when you have little to no knowledge on it. As stated before STR dit gets a lot of perks, but only in the higher levels, such as 120+.

3) I dont want go reg dex(btw what is reg dex? twice level?) because i plan to hit 4th job and plan to acquire zhelm and ht pendant and such in the future. so what would be a dex i could work with for now, and i dont mind using common equips.

If you go on Luk dit instead of str, invest into a mon pendent. It's 40m, easy to acquire ect ect. An ht pendent only benefits str dits because it allows them to gain access to more attack with their shield. Luk dits invest into maple shields which require no str or dex, but are much more expencive because hero's fight for them as well.

4) Im very confused about weapon choices for bandits, from my knowledge there are 2 types, one is like a dagger or a short sword, and the other kind of looks like a claw and some have this moon shape like a pizza cutter or something. So someone enlightened me about dits weapons. Also i heard something like there are daggers that require str and some require luk and dex. Is choosing weapons kinda like choosing builds? Do i stick to one weapon? Im guesing i would stick to the weapons that doesnt require str... I actually have no idea lol so any help would be appreciated

Heres my advice as an ex shadower. Go completely dexless, pump into luk until you have a zhelm, dep star, and a black belt. Why? You get a defined line of what your base is and you convert to the lowest possible dex based on your funds. A mon has 5 stats as well a dep star, so unless you decide to go str that's all the add you're going to get. If you decide to get an ht pendent simply add that to your calculations, but stay dexless until you acquire that HT pendent.

Realistically if you were a luk dit you'd have

25 base dex
15 dex zhelm
5dex belt
5 dex mon pendent
1 dex medal (if you recieved the diligent quest medal, much easier than the quest so I'll just make this the more realistic one)
1 dex broken glasses.

That's all you can really get unless you decide to splurge a lot of money into something like spec goggles. In total that's 52 base dex out of the 150 you'd need to equip a timeless dagger. Now dex pants you could easily forge a 10 dex pair so make it 62 base instead. So with 62 base you'd need 88 dex added which is equilavent to around 17att in luk. Now with a str bandit you pretty much get the same bonus but instead of 5 for the pendent make it 22. So add 17 stats to the dex/str total which is 79 total dex and 59 base str.

With that said the str dit only needs 71+16=87 stats to use a dragon khanjar and his reverse weapon. That allows him to use a 15att shield clean and a dagger with a 2 base higher. In reality the str dit loses 2att but gains 17, the luk dits loses 17 and gains none from the stat loss. That's why they convert.

5) at lvl 30 do i max savage blow first or dagger mastery?

I forgot the numbers but it's best to get mastery to I think 10 or 11 then max SB. Personally though, Chief bandit is the worst class you should pick as your starting a class. A decent one costs like 3 bil. Make a class that makes money and use that to fund your bandit. Bishop or hero is your best option.

I forgot the numbers but it's best to get mastery to I think 10 or 11 then max SB. Personally though, Chief bandit is the worst class you should pick as your starting a class. A decent one costs like 3 bil. Make a class that makes money and use that to fund your bandit. Bishop or hero is your best option.

That's simply not true. A decent Shadower costs just as much as any other class. It's only expensive if you're determined to statwhore as much as possible - though this is quite easy to do with a class with 2 secondary stats.

You don't have to add a lot of STR to be a STR Shadower. You can easily get up to 50 STR just from base + medal + ZHelm + MoN + Belt + Top.

v Add STR at level 80, which is when you can begin using Khanjars. You probably won't need to add a lot of STR. It's pretty easy to get yourself a ZHelm and a few other + all stat items.

Wow huge piece of information, thank you very very much ^^ also I already put a few points into dex, i want to get it to 40 dex so i can equip the lvl 22 shield for now. Thats not a huge deal right? like it wont make or break me, also so once i get my dex to 40, ill just pump everything to luk? until what lvl? and when do i start putting points into str? I am totally unfunded by the way, I just feel that everyone starts "unfunded." And as I level ill area boss and stuff to get mesos.

Well my low-leveled Bandit is basically STR-less and just a teeny bit below the DEX needed for equips (like, maybe 5 DEX less than an "normal" bandit). I've seen that the only thing STR gives me are some Chief Bandit/Shadower-only ATT shields, which I can simply just use an ATT Maple Shield for the rest of his life, eh. And of course, some STR Daggers, but those aren't really a "must" have. Should I be working on DEX or STR equips?

That's simply not true. A decent Shadower costs just as much as any other class. It's only expensive if you're determined to statwhore as much as possible - though this is quite easy to do with a class with 2 secondary stats.

You don't have to add a lot of STR to be a STR Shadower. You can easily get up to 50 STR just from base + medal + ZHelm + MoN + Belt + Top.

v Add STR at level 80, which is when you can begin using Khanjars. You probably won't need to add a lot of STR. It's pretty easy to get yourself a ZHelm and a few other + all stat items.

You do not get the mon as a str shadower, you do not scroll a top for str. Waste of AP and you want as much attack as possible considering shadowers damage is mediocre as is. A 10att shield can range up past 100mil, let alone glove which is like 50. You don't need to fund a bishop, their damage comes from AP, a hero, same deal, even if you went two hand you'll be wanted for bossing.

For a decent shadower you need at least 3 bil. Decent as in decently scrolled equipment, as in able to hime efficiently. I'm sorry but no matter how you look at it, shadower is the most expencive class.

Edit: No 15 ap will not make and break you. Don't waste your money getting a wristguard, totally not worth it. Make money, save up for an attack glove than attack shield but I still reccomend you start as bishop, I mean leech right now is up to 10mil an hour if you can 2 hit skele's, you'll be accepted to any boss if you have 10 res which is like 10-20mil per boss run, I mean bishop is just a money rakin class and it will make your dit feel so more satisfying.

Well I dont have to be a badass, i just want to play a bandit for fun, sure ill wont have alot of items, but ill get by, also i got my wristgaurd for free so and yeah sounds like bandits will be hard but i will try my best ^^

You do not get the mon as a str shadower, you do not scroll a top for str. Waste of AP and you want as much attack as possible considering shadowers damage is mediocre as is. A 10att shield can range up past 100mil, let alone glove which is like 50. You don't need to fund a bishop, their damage comes from AP, a hero, same deal, even if you went two hand you'll be wanted for bossing.

For a decent shadower you need at least 3 bil. Decent as in decently scrolled equipment, as in able to hime efficiently. I'm sorry but no matter how you look at it, shadower is the most expencive class.

Edit: No 15 ap will not make and break you. Don't waste your money getting a wristguard, totally not worth it. Make money, save up for an attack glove than attack shield but I still reccomend you start as bishop, I mean leech right now is up to 10mil an hour if you can 2 hit skele's, you'll be accepted to any boss if you have 10 res which is like 10-20mil per boss run, I mean bishop is just a money rakin class and it will make your dit feel so more satisfying.

3 Bil is a lot of funding, i think a *decent* shadower isn't a 3bil funded character. A 3 Bil decent shadower would be one in comparison to all the shadowers flaunting in the thief flaunt thread. Shadower's aren't the most expensive class, any class can be the most expensive class depending on your goal.

For a decent shadower you need at least 3 bil. Decent as in decently scrolled equipment, as in able to hime efficiently. I'm sorry but no matter how you look at it, shadower is the most expencive class.
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You presume way to much. Your notion of decent is not even anchored into reality. Not even a fraction of the community will ever have 3 billion mesos, not even all their earning combined from the day they start til the day they quit. Decent can never mirror just a small disappearing fraction.
So every shadower that did not pump 3 billions into equips are garbage, and to be simply decent you need to spend more mesos than the majority of shadowers will ever see?
Decent daggers, cheap as hell compared to other weapons, a dragon khanjar, still cheap from the gach box event, top and bottom, easy to maker, not all that expensive scrolls. Zhelm, MoN, black belt, broken glasses not that bloody hard to earn if you make some decent friends or do the stuff required to get it. Where do you need 3 billion mesos to be decent? That much mesos could easily buy you a great reverse Pescas, a greatly scrolled D khanjar, zhelm/Mon/Ht pend, pacs etc and still have mesos enough to never have to worry about pots again.

Do not mix up the term decent with the statwhoring walk-over-dead-bodies-and-sell-mother-for-power term godly, not many maplers will really fit into that, even if the small clique that calls themselves the "pros" and see themselves as the norm of the server reason like that.

3 Bil is a lot of funding, i think a *decent* shadower isn't a 3bil funded character. A 3 Bil decent shadower would be one in comparison to all the shadowers flaunting in the thief flaunt thread. Shadower's aren't the most expensive class, any class can be the most expensive class depending on your goal.

If you mark the same goal 'ratio' for every class most likely the dit will be pukin up more money. With 3bil I had a 15att glove, 20 att shield and a 8att cape and could barely compete with other players. Bandit's lack power but are fast, they are fun but at the same time can be frustrating, I'm not going to argue opinions because, they are opinions.

By all means shadower is an awesome class, but as an ex 15x shadower I advice you get something to fund it and perhaps speed up the leveling process so you dont have to go through all the blood and sweat of training a more nerfed version. Then again you might get some free leech (if you look down on leech, it's a lot different when you are paying for levels vs friends helping you) so I dont know hwo difficult your road will really be.

Edit: lol 3bil is not a lot. That's pretty much a decent glove/shield/dagger. Decent is 115+ dagger, Decent is 20+ shield, decent is 15+ glove. Godly is 120+ dagger, 30+ shield, 18+ glove.

If you mark the same goal 'ratio' for every class most likely the dit will be pukin up more money. With 3bil I had a 15att glove, 20 att shield and a 8att cape and could barely compete with other players. Bandit's lack power but are fast, they are fun but at the same time can be frustrating, I'm not going to argue opinions because, they are opinions.

By all means shadower is an awesome class, but as an ex 15x shadower I advice you get something to fund it and perhaps speed up the leveling process so you dont have to go through all the blood and sweat of training a more nerfed version. Then again you might get some free leech (if you look down on leech, it's a lot different when you are paying for levels vs friends helping you) so I dont know hwo difficult your road will really be.

Edit: lol 3bil is not a lot. That's pretty much a decent glove/shield/dagger. Decent is 115+ dagger, Decent is 20+ shield, decent is 15+ glove. Godly is 120+ dagger, 30+ shield, 18+ glove.

Not sure if he wanted to compete with all the stat-whoring shadowers(which i used to be lol) He will do fine as long as he has fun, and if he doesn't have fun, it isn't the class for him. 3 Bil is a lot for someone who is starting from scratch, it all depends as you said.

Not sure if he wanted to compete with all the stat-whoring shadowers(which i used to be lol) He will do fine as long as he has fun, and if he doesn't have fun, it isn't the class for him. 3 Bil is a lot for someone who is starting from scratch, it all depends as you said.

Completly agree, which is why I said he should start with a bishop first, but I'll admit maybe my standards are to high.

Man this demotivated me LOL guess ill go to kms for awhile and a get lvl or two and come back to my dit, plus the gms lag was not helping at all XD

You do not get the mon as a str shadower, you do not scroll a top for str. Waste of AP and you want as much attack as possible considering shadowers damage is mediocre as is. A 10att shield can range up past 100mil, let alone glove which is like 50. You don't need to fund a bishop, their damage comes from AP, a hero, same deal, even if you went two hand you'll be wanted for bossing.

MoN = 10 attack, HTP = 17*3 = 51 stats. MoN helps more unless you're appled.

I use STR tops on my Bandit. You can't scroll them for attack, and the only other alternative is LUK. STR tops add the same stats as LUK tops.

Your standards are way too high. You don't even need a base+10 attack shield to be "decent." For most people, outdamaging their peers in CPQ is decent. Not everyone wants to go down that path of making a Bishop and sell leech for several hundred hours before leeching a main to boss and decking it out in insane gear. That's a really narrow vision of how to play the game.

MoN = 10 attack, HTP = 17*3 = 51 stats. MoN helps more unless you're appled.

I use STR tops on my Bandit. You can't scroll them for attack, and the only other alternative is LUK. STR tops add the same stats as LUK tops.

Your standards are way too high. You don't even need a base+10 attack shield to be "decent." For most people, outdamaging their peers in CPQ is decent. Not everyone wants to go down that path of making a Bishop and sell leech for several hundred hours before leeching a main to boss and decking it out in insane gear. That's a really narrow vision of how to play the game.

I agree to all of what you said, except that a HTP is 22*3 = 66. Makes no real difference though, because at higher levels a 10 att, 5 STR, 5 DEX ,5 LUK MoN still would be better or at least equal, apple or not.

I agree to all of what you said, except that a HTP is 22*3 = 66. Makes no real difference though, because at higher levels a 10 att, 5 STR, 5 DEX ,5 LUK MoN still would be better or at least equal, apple or not.

MoNs have 5 stats, too so I just subtracted.