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Need some help with Probability
#1
I'm not quite sure how to calculate this, so I'd appreciate a little help.

30% scrolls pass at a 30% rate, fail at a 35% rate, and break at a 35% rate.
The % chance of passing 4 30% scrolls in a row is 0.0081, or 0.81%.

What is the chance of passing at least 4 30%s, in the first 5 slots? That is, 5 slots are used, one of them can fail but not break, but 4 must pass? 6 slots? 7 slots?

For all of the above questions, how many scrolls would it take to achieve this result, on average? How many equips would it take on average?
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#2
Dusk Wrote:I'm not quite sure how to calculate this, so I'd appreciate a little help.
I'd say base it upon the Binomial Distribution with 0.3 as success and 0.35 (fail w/o break) as failure.
Dusk Wrote:What is the chance of passing at least 4 30%s, in the first 5 slots? That is, 5 slots are used, one of them can fail but not break, but 4 must pass?
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So 1.6605%, 302 scrolls on average.
Dusk Wrote:6 slots?
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So 2.071575%, 290 scrolls on average.
Dusk Wrote:7 slots?
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So 2.04109875%, 294 scrolls on average.
Dusk Wrote:For all of the above questions, how many scrolls would it take to achieve this result, on average?
I added the scroll averages, but I'm not 100% sure on whether they're correct or not.
Dusk Wrote:How many equips would it take on average?
Not 100% sure how to go about this either, it'd take more time I think as you'd have to factor in the chance of breaking and the number of slots an item has.

All in all, my answers (my calculations probably as I only had Windows' Calculator handy) may be wrong, lol, but just trying to give a general idea. I hate probability. Smile
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#3
Tempus Wrote:I'd say base it upon the Binomial Distribution with 0.3 as success and 0.35 (fail w/o break) as failure.
Oh pomegranate, that works?

When I was trying to calculate this crap a year or two ago, I thought it was some special case, couldn't figure it out, and resorted to Excel-bashing. (Which does get the probabilities quite nicely, but required a bit more setup.)
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#4
Ok, it doesn't conform to the rules of a binomial distribution because p + q =/= 1, but the principle of how it works still applies. The probability of getting 4 scrolls to work and 1 to fail but not break is still P[work] * P[work] * P[work] * P[work] * P[fail w/o break] and since you could have the scrolls appearing in a different order, times it by 5C4.
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Tempus Wrote:Ok, it doesn't conform to the rules of a binomial distribution because p + q =/= 1, but the principle of how it works still applies. The probability of getting 4 scrolls to work and 1 to fail but not break is still P[work] * P[work] * P[work] * P[work] * P[fail w/o break] and since you could have the scrolls appearing in a different order, times it by 5C4.

That's a way to say it. It's also possible to show through trinomial distribution that the other factors evaluates to 1 and thus fall away, "becoming" the binomial distribution.
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