Double washing.

Hello guys.

Since my char is pretty old and i had no knowledge about HP wash back in the days, i started using INT equips really late.

Right now im a lvl 171 Hero with a base HP of 177xx.

I don't know how i remembered to have read somewhere about double washing (or MP washing) and was thinking of actually trying it to achieve my 30k HP goal (if it's possible...). I know it's really really expensive, but me being a perfectionist, i WANT to get to 30k hp even if a lot of people think im insane.

I recently finished getting some good INT equips (i'm up to 144 INT now), and what i'm needing is someone who had experienced Double washing on first hand to tell me (at least an aprox), of how much MP will each AP give me while using the INT equips after lvl up.

I know that for warriors, each AP put in MP adds 2-4 MP per point, but what i need to know is how much will the 144 INT will add to this number. Some people say it's 15 INT=1 MP but i'd like some confirmation on this.

I would apreciate any help i could get on this.

Thanks.

10int = 1mp extra for every class except mages.

144 int = 14 extra mp, or 3.5 hp resets per level.

edit - if a point in MP only gives you 2~4 mp, there is no point in double washing. you need to get more MP out of an AP point than the reset will take out. for ranged, double washing works because we get ~14mp per point in mp, and AP resets take out 12. if you only get 4, it won't work at all.

I think you'll be digging yourself a deeper hole using the double wash method.

I'm not positive if this works (I have yet to hear someone say it doesn't work), but an alternative is to pump your INT every lvl up in case you can't cover the rest of your INT needs, since additional MP from INT should be calculated by your total INT, which includes base INT.

10int = 1mp extra for every class except mages.

144 int = 14 extra mp, or 3.5 hp resets per level.

edit - if a point in MP only gives you 2~4 mp, there is no point in double washing. you need to get more MP out of an AP point than the reset will take out. for ranged, double washing works because we get ~14mp per point in mp, and AP resets take out 12. if you only get 4, it won't work at all.

Thanks for your answer but you are getting my point wrong.

I think i should have started by explaining how i think you do 2x washing.

1st you level up using INT gears. Here you get the usual MP for leveling (warriors get 4-6 MP) + INT/10.

2nd you put all 5 APs into MP WHILE YOU ARE STILL USING THE INT GEARS. And it's here where i need help. Warriors get 2-4 MP per AP placed in MP + the misterious extra bonus that i'm looking for.

I can give an example of how this works for NLs:

A NL gets 14-16 MP when they lvl up + INT/10, and they get 10-12 MP for every AP placed in MP. But some NLs reported that if you place the APs into MP while still using the INT gears, they get more than 10-12 MP. The number someone said was 20 MP while having a total of 150 INT. So if you take that in consideration, you are getting 8-10 more MP per AP used simply by putting them while still using the INT gears. And that's where the magic 15 INT = 1MP appears. But like i said i need confirmation before spending all that Nx.

Back to how 2x washing works.

3rd point would be reseting the 5 points you put into MP and place them into HP.
4th would be reseting 5 points from MP and place then in the main stat.

Now it would work like this for a NL (notice i will use 150 INT gears for the example, and the lowest possible gain from lvling and APs used):

1st- Lvl up --> you get 14 MP (from the lvl itself) + 15 MP (from the 150 INT) = 29 MP from lvling
2nd- Place 5 APs into MP --> you get 20 MP (10 from placing an AP into MP and "another 10 for the INT gears") * 5 APs = 100 MP from APs

Total MP gained after a lvl = 129

3rd- Reset 5 APs from MP to HP --> you lose 5 * 12 = 60 MP and you get 80 HP (since when you are placing an AP from MP to HP you get the least HP possible which in NLs case is 16).

4th- Reset 5 APs from MP to LUK --> you lose 5 * 12 = 60 MP and you get 5 LUK.

So in the end you end up getting +80 HP, +9 MP (129-120) and 5 LUK while using 10 APs.

Now i need someone to confirm this for a warrior.

Thanks.

if you want to try, go ahead. I would be wary though. One of the paladins in my guild had some extra dex, and tried reseting his extra dex into HP, and when he reset from dex into hp, it only gave him ~20 hp. In other words, it didnt give him his "Improve Max HP" boost.

Now, I'm not sure, but I believe that was due to him not adding the AP from leveling up, so if you try mp washing (put 5 points into mp with INT gear on, put them into hp, then take them out of mp again) you might only get ~20 hp per point, which would not be worth it.

On my bucc, I am planning on doing something similar, so if you try it I would be very interested in the results. Otherwise, the best I could do for washing would be 5 points every other level unless I raised my base int.

And besides, isn't it somewhat "easy" to aquire enough INT gear to wash 5 points per level? Dont you lose 2-4, so you'd need 100-200 in, average 150, per level? And thats not counting any extra mp you might have gained while just leveling normally or with Zhelm. Of course, getting that much INT gear is a pain in the ass, but no one said max HP would be terribly easy. And washing 5 points a level is certainly easier for warriors then pirates or ranged.

Also, while I cannot personally confirm it, I know a NL in my guild does the MP washing, so adding with INT gear does in fact give you more according to him.

You lose 4 per wash (it always takes off the max with AP resets), so you need 20 extra mp per level which isn't too easy... 190 int gear would do it on average.

I think each point adds 52 hp on average so you'd be gaining about 325 per level if you washed all 5 points. You're right that's only going to get to about 27500 by 200.

If you try it with 1 AP (spend it in MP wearing full int gear, take it off and reset to HP) then you only lose the 1 reset if it doesn't work, which doesn't seem significant compared to how many resets you need (about 240 into hp to max it)

Well i'm at almost 90% so i'll get back to you when i lvl and i try with 1 AP to see what happens.

Well idk what happened with the post i made...

Long story short: It works.

With 144 int equips i was getting 12-14 MP per AP used in MP which is way more than the 2-4 that a warrior usually gets.

Now i'm waiting my next paycheck to check the amount of HP you get when passing the AP from MP to HP.

Interesting....... what would be the Pirate equivalent? Actually, is it even doable for pirates, considering they lose 16 MP a wash?

Every class can do it, but it's only worthy if you have a really good amount of INT gears (and NX of course). In my recent experience, i was getting almost 10 MP more from every point used with 144 INT, so i guess with the same amount of INT, any class can get the same.

In pirates case, they would get 14-16 + the extra MP boost depending on their INT equips.

im doing this tommy -.- this relly sux and sooooo pineappleing expensive, but i have to so my char is not nerfed if we ever get pink bean.

maybe u wont get 30k hp clean tommy, i doubt it.
im sure u can get at least 25k, but then im not that good @ math xD

Like Stereo said, i can't get to 30k HP.

So i'm only trying this to get used to it for when i start my NL and prepare it for PB.

If it includes HP up on MP>HP washing, then it'll probably be 4 MP for 50 HP. Otherwise 4 MP for ~22 HP?


If you really wanted 30k HP, and double washing got you enough MP (if you do gain 12-14 and then lose 4, you can get ~45 extra MP per level), you could probably do it by repeated use of resets (STR>HP, MP>STR) but I've never tried that and it would cost twice as much.

Like Stereo said, i can't get to 30k HP.

So i'm only trying this to get used to it for when i start my NL and prepare it for PB.

Are you sure? Since INT gear worked the way you said it did, I have a REALLY expensive yet crazy idea:

1. Keep resetting out your STR
2. With your INT gear on, pump that into MP.
3. Unequip the INT gear, and HP wash as usual.

Would that work? In a way does infinite HP washing exist?

1.i dont see how adding points into mp right after you lvl (with int gear on) would be different from adding them when you are for instance 80%

2.that said would it be possible for a lvl 200 to wear int gear while reseting points into mp from lets say str. if im correct then even then you would get extra mp right?

3.if thats correct too then would it also work to then wash ur mp back into hp or even back into str while only reducing your mp by 4? (if so then its possible in theory to get to 30k mp for everybody with enough $)

4.and what if you would add them into hp like discribed in the above stated? im correct that you cant wash them back into str by taking out of mp right? since ive been told that doesnt work with normal washing either?

im having the idea that 1, 2 and 3 will work, but 4 wont, simply because ive heard it doesnt work for normal washing either.. but thats just from hearsay.
if nr 1 till 4 turns out to be correct, which i hope, then any char at any time can continue washing even after lvl 200.
and if it doesnt work then i'd really be interested in the reason why. because that would mean adding "unused"/fresh points from after a lvl up into hp would be different then adding normal points after resetting

wow
and yet again i fail at reading the post directly above mine..

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QUOTE=IllegallySane;208319]Are you sure? Since INT gear worked the way you said it did, I have a REALLY expensive yet crazy idea:

1. Keep resetting out your STR
2. With your INT gear on, pump that into MP.
3. Unequip the INT gear, and HP wash as usual.

Would that work? In a way does infinite HP washing exist? [/QUOTE]

The extra mp benefit from int (and I think even the extra hp from hp increase) do not apply when using resets.

Mind if I ask what kind of int gear you have? I want to do this, but cant seem to get enough int

This is the stuff i used:

21 int helmet
6 int mask
12 int earrings
9 int shield
12 int wand
22 int pendant
28 int robe
15 int cape
12 int gloves
3 int shoes

That's 140 INT + 4 base INT = 144 total INT.

I'll also try 1 reset from STR to MP while using INT gears to see what happens but i doubt the boost will work this way, or else any warrior can get to 30k HP no matter how late they started washing.

Ok i charged 5k nx with paypal and tested it and.... it doesn't work.



Base MP was 887.



New MP is 889 $#%&$#&%"%#$

So yea... No infinite HP wash T_T

And to answer some of KK questions:

1.- There is no difference between adding the points when you lvl up or when you are 80%, it's just more practical.

2.- Just proved it doesn't work like that.

3.- By putting APs from str to MP and then wash from MP, you are actually LOSING MP, since for every reset you use, u get 2 MP but then lose 4.

4.- I won't test this, because i think this question is more related towards lvl 200 chars that still have MP to wash but no free APs to do so.

Ok well ty for your answers, I was actually gonna try that just now so it's a good thing I read this reply before doing so
Well gl washing

Btw if anybody can explain WHY using reset ab points doesn't work then maybe we can find a gap. I'm really curious for exacly what this bug in the script is that allows us to wash..

This is the stuff i used:

21 int helmet
6 int mask
12 int earrings
9 int shield
12 int wand
22 int pendant
28 int robe
15 int cape
12 int gloves
3 int shoes

That's 140 INT + 4 base INT = 144 total INT.

I'll also try 1 reset from STR to MP while using INT gears to see what happens but i doubt the boost will work this way, or else any warrior can get to 30k HP no matter how late they started washing.

Ok i charged 5k nx with paypal and tested it and.... it doesn't work.



Base MP was 887.



New MP is 889 $#%&$#&%"%#$

So yea... No infinite HP wash T_T

And to answer some of KK questions:

1.- There is no difference between adding the points when you lvl up or when you are 80%, it's just more practical.

2.- Just proved it doesn't work like that.

3.- By putting APs from str to MP and then wash from MP, you are actually LOSING MP, since for every reset you use, u get 2 MP but then lose 4.

4.- I won't test this, because i think this question is more related towards lvl 200 chars that still have MP to wash but no free APs to do so.

Fffffffffffff. I'm really sorry that we encouraged you to lose 2 MP. That definitely answered our questions. Looks like I'll be placing a good 50-100 AP into MP sometime in the future so I can reach 18k HP unbuffed. At the moment I calculate I'd only reach ~13-14k HP at 200. 15k is my desirable goal. 18k unbuffed (to benefit the max effects of HB) is an ideal goal

Well I think the point is that if you just do double washing, you're still only doing 5 points into HP per level and that won't make it to 30k. (even though using double you would gain 78-90 MP per level, you can only wash 20 of that out with 5 AP, so you have plenty of MP to spare)

If you do STR>HP, then MP>STR, you get the additional 22 hp per time, and can make it up whenever. It's just expensive.