Guardian (extraction?)

This question goes out to those who like to dig around in the data. After reading the description for guardian and dealing with lvl 1 guardian for a few months, then leveling and working with lvl 2 guardian. I would like to know the % rate at which monsters get stunned when guardian activates from monster touching.

The skill itself says it will always stun if guardian activates, but the stunrate is not 100%. Not even 50% at lvl 2. If anyone could dig around and find out the % stunrates for each level of guardian (if it's in there somewhere) and post them, that would be super.

I'm really curious as the stunrate seems to be going up (ie- never saw a stun with lvl 1 guardian, but have seen it a handful of times with lvl 2)

Are you sure you're actually touching the monsters when you activate Guardian? It wouldn't make sense to me if it worked to stun when you're some distance away.

Are you sure you're actually touching the monsters when you activate Guardian? It wouldn't make sense to me if it worked to stun when you're some distance away.

Guardian wont go off unless youre attacked (ranged magic whatever) or you touch something. I've touched plenty of monsters, had them thrown back (that's part of what guardian does, pushes them away), but it only stuns them a very small % of the time when it's supposed to be 100% by the description.

I think pg interrupts the stun. From what i can remember, it appeared to be 100% stun to me as long as i didn't move in the same direction the monster was pushed back. I don't really care much for guardian while training, but it's awesome for bossing.

Y'know, there are the fourth job skill tables in the training center stickies...

Guardian
Description: Fixed probability of the enemy attack being nullified. When an attack is blocked, the enemy is stunned for 2 seconds. [Requires shield equipped]
Animation: Guardian
Max Level: 30

1	Probability 0.5% [noparse][/noparse]
2	Probability 1.0% [noparse][/noparse]
3	Probability 1.5% [noparse][/noparse]
4	Probability 2.0% [noparse][/noparse]
5	Probability 2.5% [noparse][/noparse]
6	Probability 3.0% [noparse][/noparse]
7	Probability 3.5% [noparse][/noparse]
8	Probability 4.0% [noparse][/noparse]
9	Probability 4.5% [noparse][/noparse]
10	Probability 5.0% [noparse][/noparse]
11	Probability 5.5% [noparse][/noparse]
12	Probability 6.0% [noparse][/noparse]
13	Probability 6.5% [noparse][/noparse]
14	Probability 7.0% [noparse][/noparse]
15	Probability 7.5% [noparse][/noparse]
16	Probability 8.0% [noparse][/noparse]
17	Probability 8.5% [noparse][/noparse]
18	Probability 9.0% [noparse][/noparse]
19	Probability 9.5% [noparse][/noparse]
20	Probability 10.0% [noparse][/noparse]
21	Probability 10.5% [noparse][/noparse]
22	Probability 11.0% [noparse][/noparse]
23	Probability 11.5% [noparse][/noparse]
24	Probability 12.0% [noparse][/noparse]
25	Probability 12.5% [noparse][/noparse]
26	Probability 13.0% [noparse][/noparse]
27	Probability 13.5% [noparse][/noparse]
28	Probability 14.0% [noparse][/noparse]
29	Probability 14.5% [noparse][/noparse]
30	Probability 15.0% [noparse][/noparse]

Y'know, there are the fourth job skill tables in the training center stickies...

Guardian
Description: Fixed probability of the enemy attack being nullified. When an attack is blocked, the enemy is stunned for 2 seconds. [Requires shield equipped]
Animation: Guardian
Max Level: 30

1	Probability 0.5% [noparse][/noparse]
2	Probability 1.0% [noparse][/noparse]
3	Probability 1.5% [noparse][/noparse]
4	Probability 2.0% [noparse][/noparse]
5	Probability 2.5% [noparse][/noparse]
6	Probability 3.0% [noparse][/noparse]
7	Probability 3.5% [noparse][/noparse]
8	Probability 4.0% [noparse][/noparse]
9	Probability 4.5% [noparse][/noparse]
10	Probability 5.0% [noparse][/noparse]
11	Probability 5.5% [noparse][/noparse]
12	Probability 6.0% [noparse][/noparse]
13	Probability 6.5% [noparse][/noparse]
14	Probability 7.0% [noparse][/noparse]
15	Probability 7.5% [noparse][/noparse]
16	Probability 8.0% [noparse][/noparse]
17	Probability 8.5% [noparse][/noparse]
18	Probability 9.0% [noparse][/noparse]
19	Probability 9.5% [noparse][/noparse]
20	Probability 10.0% [noparse][/noparse]
21	Probability 10.5% [noparse][/noparse]
22	Probability 11.0% [noparse][/noparse]
23	Probability 11.5% [noparse][/noparse]
24	Probability 12.0% [noparse][/noparse]
25	Probability 12.5% [noparse][/noparse]
26	Probability 13.0% [noparse][/noparse]
27	Probability 13.5% [noparse][/noparse]
28	Probability 14.0% [noparse][/noparse]
29	Probability 14.5% [noparse][/noparse]
30	Probability 15.0% [noparse][/noparse]

What he was asking was stun probability, which to him doesn't seem to be activating 100%. What you gave him was attack null probability...

Zenkat isn't asking at what %-rate guardian activates. He believes there's a discrepancy on when it stuns. Supposedly guardian has 100% stun rate when it activates. From my experience. guardian stuns if it activates from you physically touching a monster (pg seems to disrupt the stun). However, i don't recall ever seeing a skele get stunned when it does a magic attack and guardian activates.

What he was asking was stun probability, which to him doesn't seem to be activating 100%. What you gave him was attack null probability...

Well, in that case there's nothing in the data that would answer his question. Everything that's in the data is also in the table provided.

Well, in that case there's nothing in the data that would answer his question. Everything that's in the data is also in the table provided.

Ah, I see...I don't have PG or Guardian, so I have no idea what may be happening

Well, in that case there's nothing in the data that would answer his question. Everything that's in the data is also in the table provided.

Except time = 2.

I'm thinking this is a programming glitch in the .exe, based on what XtremeBeast has said. Or maybe it's related to the stun-rate mystery associated with Bomb Arrow or w/e it's called.

Except time = 2.

I'm thinking this is a programming glitch in the .exe, based on what XtremeBeast has said. Or maybe it's related to the stun-rate mystery associated with Bomb Arrow or w/e it's called.

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Hah, I noticed this today as well, just got 6 points in guardian, and it defintely didn;t stun 100% of the time.

I assumed PG just got rid of the stun, but I'll try without PG later.

I myself never noted that it doesn't stun at a 100%, perhaps it was changed in a patch after I achieved it. I maxed it pretty early, while leveling fast, so didn't see too much of the % difference. I can at least Guarantee that it Stuns and Knockbacks at 100% (when activated) at the master level.

Ok, yeah, Just tried lvl 6 Guardian without PG, and still managed to not stun.

On a side note, is it just me or is the warrior section of the 4th job skills topic broken?

i noticed it only stun when it "kb" the monster away from you, when it not "kb the monster, it never stun, for me, 80% of the time the monster get stunned, when the monster is close-ranged and the guardian effect "KB" the monster away, if the monster is far away, or dont get kbed away, it dont stun.

Description: Fixed probability of the enemy attack being nullified. When an attack is blocked, the enemy is stunned for 2 seconds. [Requires shield equipped]

The description even says it only works when the block happens.

i noticed it only stun when it "kb" the monster away from you, when it not "kb the monster, it never stun, for me, 80% of the time the monster get stunned, when the monster is close-ranged and the guardian effect "KB" the monster away, if the monster is far away, or dont get kbed away, it dont stun.

Yes, you're just reiterating what the skill description says. It will only stun when you touch the monster (closeranged attack). If Guardian activates when you touch the monster, that monster will always get knocked back unless its in some sort of recovery where it cannot. Regardless of that, if Guardian activates when touching a monster, it is supposed to stun it 100% for 2 seconds. It does not, and gives no clue as to why.

At least the guy with maxed Guardian says it always stuns which is 'ok' i guess. I still think it should stun 100% regardless of level. I mean mine only activates 1% of the time, and only stuns about 10-20% the time when it does manage to activate.

Hm well I have lvl 28 guardian and it seems to stun for me nearly 100% of the time:f6: