Teacher cuts pupil's hair, mum files police report

It's not the only school in the entire world.

"Mom, let's move overseas so I don't have to cut my hair."
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
(The short hair requirement for graduating elementary school is at the national level, not a school whim).

"Mom, let's move overseas so I don't have to cut my hair."
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
(The short hair requirement for graduating elementary school is at the national level, not a school whim).

Just because it's a national decision and not an individual school one doesn't make it any less ridiculous and authoritarian.

Besides, I have a Bachelor's degree and it hasn't done pomegranate for me even with a hell of a lot of effort on my part to find a job, whereas my cousin who dropped out in (sorry, right after now that I think of it) middle school now has 8 years of work experience, his own house, a nice car, and zero debt. His parents are very poor by the way, so that's not where he got the money; he made it all himself. Made stupid decisions along the way too, but arguably less stupid than actually staying all the way through school, if you look at where he is now.

Maybe it's because of your haircut flonne .

I think the underlining point that everyone is losing is not so much the rule, but rather the action the teacher took. Teacher's deserve more power for dicipline, but even my parent's wouldn't do it themselves.

What should have happened;

"Hi this is the teacher, your son needs to cut his hair for a very important exam he must pass. Do you want to take him to a barber or allow me to cut it myself."

Answer a) I'll pick him up.

Answer b) You can do it

Answer c) Is there any extention or another time he can take the test/fail him over $60

Why would he need my hair-luck, he has even longer hair than I do. Anyway, that's my point, options should ALWAYS be part of the equation, forcing someone to do anything is a terrible way of doing things.

Besides, I have a Bachelor's degree and it hasn't done pomegranate for me even with a hell of a lot of effort on my part to find a job, whereas my cousin who dropped out in (sorry, right after now that I think of it) middle school now has 8 years of work experience, his own house, a nice car, and zero debt. His parents are very poor by the way, so that's not where he got the money; he made it all himself. Made stupid decisions along the way too, but arguably less stupid than actually staying all the way through school, if you look at where he is now.

Good, we're happy for your brother for pulling through the crunch times, and we feel your pain. But I think this is hardly relevant to the issue on haircuts and uniform code. As we said, universities don't have a uniform code, and sure you can fail this national examination and go find yourself a job, but it's worse than tough to do so. If you're wondering, in this part of the world, we use grades as the first sieve. Even if you have 10 years of experience on your sleeve in a professional environment, you're expected to improve yourself to match others (I'm talking about being employees; employers have a rather different story). No I correct myself - you MUST improve yourself. This is the norm. Bill Gates or whoever else billionares who didn't go through formal schooling, those are examples of success stories (of employers!) that are not realistic to attempt. That's why I said, start arguing clearly about whether a haircut (or rather, the uniform code) is necessary for your education, which in your case it's clearly no!


Options? The teacher didn't give options, so the teacher was in the wrong. Period. Other options at the national/school level: not in the student's control i.e. the options should have been taken by the parent. There won't be options like "the school could have chosen not to go by these rules". Also, in this part of the world, parents are mandated by law to send their children to primary school unless they opt for home or private schooling, and the percentage of people opting for the latter is vanishingly small (but present). Only home schooling wouldn't have a uniform code (obviously!). So you are therefore required by law to take the exam (what you get later isn't critical to this discussion). Ridiculous? That's fine because it's kinda strange too, though not very different from everyone going through A-levels in a country (although not by law). Authoritarian? Hello where are we from? You like it or you hate it, or you leave it (alone).

Forcing anyone is a bad way to do things, sure, and obviously the opposite is false too. If law and rules = forcing to you, then I think it's kinda hard for you to live in this part of the world (if you were even considering to do so) because it feels so extreme for you. But let's put it this way: we live in a game, we live by the rules. So the most obvious example for me is mandatory conscription: one cannot choose not to enter the army. No reasons need or should be said. Is that (ridiculous and) authoritarian? Yes. Is the comment on rules and options ridiculous? I actually think so, but that's just me.


I'm going to put this in a rather bad way: I don't crave that kind of near-absolute freedom you all (in the West) have. I don't think many of us in this part of the world would either. Call it indoctrination by birth (i.e. culture), but in all honesty it's not essential for living, and its not suitable for us here. If anything, you lose something and you gain something, but which is more, which is more important, is up for debate.

/edit: And we should talk about the teacher and the necessity of haircuts and uniforms, not about what's ridiculous in schools or in countries from the eyes of others.

Hadriel

Small interjection. Just because something is part of someone's culture doesn't mean it should be free from condemnation. Long hair at school is as inconsequential as an untucked shirt.

Lol this is funny because I go to Secondary School in Singapore, and an untucked shirt can also get you punished.

Edit: I also find it strange how a picture of the boy's "Long hair" wasn't posted.

(Lol this pose)

LOOK AT THIS LENGTH HE PUTS FEMALE POPSTARS TO SHAME.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE HIS SCALP LORD HAVE MERCY.

Lol this is funny because I go to Secondary School in Singapore, and an untucked shirt can also get you punished.

Edit: I also find it strange how a picture of the boy's "Long hair" wasn't posted.

(Lol this pose)

LOOK AT THIS LENGTH HE PUTS FEMALE POPSTARS TO SHAME.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE HIS SCALP LORD HAVE MERCY.

Okay this justifies that this system is retarded.

This begs the question what the hell is allowable hair?

This begs the question what the hell is allowable hair?

The length that the military is allowed to have.

The length that the military is allowed to have.

Even if this is sarcasm, which I sincerely hope it is, that's a terrible joke.

Even if this is sarcasm, which I sincerely hope it is, that's a terrible joke.

It's not. It was the standard when I was in school.

It's not. It was the standard when I was in school.

..good god. Really nothing more to say if this is actually true.

I feel sorry for all of the people in this thread that had to go to a school like this, and even more so, think this is all justified and right to do.

..good god. Really nothing more to say if this is actually true.

I feel sorry for all of the people in this thread that had to go to a school like this, and even more so, think this is all justified and right to do.

My school had a rule that hair wasn't allowed to go past the collar on your shirt, and one of the teachers semi regularly cut the hair of pupils that would 'break the rules'. Mine was slightly past collar length in my last few years of school and I got suspended for a week for refusing to cut it. Didn't spend much time in school my last year because I wasn't allowed to leave the grounds on break while my hair was longer than they had deemed appropriate so I only went in for lessons and then sat the exams at the end of the year. They didn't invite me back for the qualification ceremony or whatever it is but I wouldn't have gone anyway.

Rather than making a huge deal about it I told the few teachers that seemed to have any sort of authority that the rule was laughable and unnecessary and that I wouldn't be following it, and that aside from that I would still go to classes and behave as normal. I didn't get into any trouble at all (aside from this 'incident' if you can call it that which to be honest you can't because it's ridiculous) and my grades were mostly As/Bs. I think they just liked asserting whatever power they had over whoever they were able to.

My school had a rule that hair wasn't allowed to go past the collar on your shirt, and one of the teachers semi regularly cut the hair of pupils that would 'break the rules'. Mine was slightly past collar length in my last few years of school and I got suspended for a week for refusing to cut it. Didn't spend much time in school my last year because I wasn't allowed to leave the grounds on break while my hair was longer than they had deemed appropriate so I only went in for lessons and then sat the exams at the end of the year. They didn't invite me back for the qualification ceremony or whatever it is but I wouldn't have gone anyway.

Rather than making a huge deal about it I told the few teachers that seemed to have any sort of authority that the rule was laughable and unnecessary and that I wouldn't be following it, and that aside from that I would still go to classes and behave as normal. I didn't get into any trouble at all (aside from this 'incident' if you can call it that which to be honest you can't because it's ridiculous) and my grades were mostly As/Bs. I think they just liked asserting whatever power they had over whoever they were able to.

Glad to see at least someone has the balls to stand up to this farce.

There's a difference between standing up to stupidity stupidly and objecting to stupid rules (via the right channels). Mazz's way feels legitimate and very reasonable, although that would just mean that the teachers would be in the wrong if it occured in our country and is investigated because they are not ignorant yet they did not take any action i.e. they're guilty of inaction. That said, most of our teachers in our country also don't wish to get anyone into too much trouble, and won't do much either - apathy I believe it's called? I'm apathetic and I side the apathetic, but I'm just saying what's in black and white. I would not be tempted to break rules while they're enforced or written in black and white though. So, plus one to you Mazz.

Let's put this as an example: in any country, you riot or protest to... well... protest against something, and most places allow you to do it freely (as long as it's non-violent). In our country, you have to apply for a riot license (or wadever it's called) to be allowed to organise any protest [and people have done it], or else you'll be arrested. Ridiculous? Welcome to our world. Most of us don't find it a loss or at a disadvantage of sorts because it's not something we mind, unless you feel that strongly for something - we also don't care if you call us brainwashed. We're living here and we're happy, and the system works perfectly fine as it is - don't fix (too much) what's not broken, even if it's just cracked.

tl;dr: if you feel that strongly about something, you will do something (maybe in the right channels, maybe not). If they feel something needs to be done, they will do something (again the channels...). If you don't give a crap about something, then life goes on - until it hits you e.g. they come to you with a stick, and then you'll react to it according to how you feel about it. Doesn't need much saying, does it?


I can tell you what's wrong with his hair. His hair is touching his ears. His fringe is perfectly fine. I can't see the back of his hair but nevermind.
The rules for guys are simple: hair not touching ears, not touching eyebrows, not touching collar (at the back). That's quite a far cry from militaristic haircut, where the general rule is about a finger thickness above your ear (thin one, and some units are less strict on this...) and so on. It is only during the beginning phases of the military training that your hair has to be shaved to a buzzcut (or wadever that's called).

By the way, Lutheron was just being sacarstic, if you didn't realise. We're not THAT crazy.

Hadriel

What. No I wasn't, you really can get punished for an untucked shirt. The main reason this incident is so outrageous is mainly because that boy's hair was hardly long enough to break school rules.

And not everyone is satisfied with the system , more like 60%. Our voting system here is strange, but that's a different matter I guess.

This need for conformity actually harms our society more than you think. It weeds out creativity, leaving us with a dismal arts scene.

Lol this is funny because I go to Secondary School in Singapore, and an untucked shirt can also get you punished.

Edit: I also find it strange how a picture of the boy's "Long hair" wasn't posted.

(Lol this pose)

LOOK AT THIS LENGTH HE PUTS FEMALE POPSTARS TO SHAME.

I CAN'T EVEN SEE HIS SCALP LORD HAVE MERCY.

That's a $60 haircut? are you kidding?

The hair around the ears are long enough to get him punished. The fringe is fine, but not the hair around the ears. Untucked shirts get you punished. That's definitely a given. Been there, done that, on both sides of the situation. I thought you were sacarstic only in the capitalised words, and now if I look at it again by itself I still do think you were being so (but since you said no, then no).

Won't talk about conformity because it makes me veer too far off.

/edit: I really don't know if that haircut is really a $60 haircut... I could get that haircut with just $3.80... ask the hair? I'm not that silly to spend $60 on a haircut unless I'm going to... no wait when will I ever spend $60 on a haircut??

Hadriel

That's a $60 haircut? are you kidding?

How much do you think haircuts cost outside of a trim?

/edit: I really don't know if that haircut is really a $60 haircut... I could get that haircut with just $3.80... ask the hair? I'm not that silly to spend $60 on a haircut unless I'm going to... no wait when will I ever spend $60 on a haircut??

Hadriel

http://beauty.about.com/od/haircuts/a/ha...prices.htm

Typically if you get your hair shampooed and layered you're looking at a minimum of $30, I'm not sure in his country though.

it looks like miley's lesbian hairdo

..good god. Really nothing more to say if this is actually true.

I feel sorry for all of the people in this thread that had to go to a school like this, and even more so, think this is all justified and right to do.

nah, its not as short as you think . we rocked the short haircut for 10 years.