Teacher cuts pupil's hair, mum files police report

*edit* Chinese has a saying: 杀一儆百: punish/kill one and send a message to all others -- lots of institutions use this method (not just the Chinese obviously). Whether the ends justify the means, it's up in the air. We've not taken it to the [relative] extreme yet either so don't make it sound like no one can sneeze without getting shot. */edit*

Hadriel

It's called a deterrent. And this is a system where one is not required, because hair (short of being fluorescent) does not have any effect on anyone else.

It's called a deterrent. And this is a system where one is not required, because hair (short of being fluorescent) does not have any effect on anyone else.

Hair rules are in the same category as uniform rules. In Asia usually every school (both public or private) requires you to wear uniforms. It's the whole school spirit and togetherness thing. If you look bad you reflect badly on your school. Think of how bad it would look in an assembly (which we had every single day) where everyone's standing in neat rows and columns and someone has a different hair style.

Hm? Then what's the condition for forgetfulness, if there's one?

Rules are rules. If people condemn it, then there should be avenues to review the rule. But definitely in almost all schools (at least up till secondary school) in Asia, you are expected to be properly attired and have a presentable image. I believe the usual argument for it is the "students are a walking/living image of the school" as well as a uniformity in all students.

In truth, an untucked shirt or uncut hair is not necessarily inconsequential. Yes you won't do better or worse with a shirt tucked in or untucked, but the image and signals sent from these little things are felt outside. I remember alumni and parents calling my school principal (he told us during school assembly) that students in my school were seen to be dressed sloppily and thus complained that it sent a very bad image. The image you send to teachers affect how they perceive of you and thus affect how they treat you . Try this at a professional workplace and you probably know what I'm getting at.

Hadriel

Hair rules are in the same category as uniform rules. In Asia usually every school (both public or private) requires you to wear uniforms. It's the whole school spirit and togetherness thing. If you look bad you reflect badly on your school. Think of how bad it would look in an assembly (which we had every single day) where everyone's standing in neat rows and columns and someone has a different hair style.

...I think an army of people who look exactly the same is far worse than a group of unique individuals.

I understand CHINA doing this because they're communist but it shouldn't be standard practice anyway else.

I don't think being communist has anything to do with it. Both Taiwan and Singapore are republics. Even in the west/US, a lot of workplace/offices have dress codes which include hair or piercing rules, especially ones where you talk to clients/customers.

And how about an army regiment?

/edit: Communism is not bad. Neither is democracy (or wadever is a suitable antagonist) good. They are simply ideas in country governance that may or may not be, or are more/less suitable for individual countries at different periods of time. I will not be tempted at all to describe any aspect of the Chinese culture as communist.

Hadriel

The teacher shouldn't have cut that student's hair. That is all.

Of course, he brought it upon himself by not obeying the school rules, but then he didn't consent to a haircut either. And if his haircut was really bad, he would've been barred from taking the oral examination anyway.

I don't think being communist has anything to do with it. Both Taiwan and Singapore are republics. Even in the west/US, a lot of workplace/offices have dress codes which include hair or piercing rules, especially ones where you talk to clients/customers.

I mentioned the communism thing because it's all about conformity. And the latter is becoming less true with younger generations; most people don't care about tattoos/piercings. I have a visible tattoo on my wrist, my lip pierced and my hair is constantly in all sorts of bizarre styles yet I am an incredibly successful business person and have never once had a complaint from a client. Sometimes they'll comment on things but as long as you verbally present yourself appropriately what you look like doesn't matter a bit.

It's backward places like these asian countries that think conformity is more professional that slow progress internationally. There needs to be standards but they should only apply to things that matter, like doing the work; not how you're dressed.

Edit: And [MENTION=5956]hadriel[/MENTION] an army regiment is that way because you need discipline in order to not die or put others lives at risk. School is not the same.

It's just hair, it'll grow back.

thank you

I think that's what [MENTION=2935]DeanNim[/MENTION] was laughing at, not the disability, it's the fact that they are using a pitiful excuse to try and shift the blame entirely to the school.

thank you

It's just hair, it'll grow back.

It's taken me 12 years to grow my hair this long. That's the same as stealing 12 years of my life, in my eyes.

It's taken me 12 years to grow my hair this long. That's the same as stealing 12 years of my life, in my eyes.

Hair grows faster when it is cut.

Hair grows faster when it is cut.

What, you think I don't get dead ends trimmed? I keep my hair tidy, that's gross lol.

Just stating a fact.
You needn't jump to conclusions about my thoughts.

I realize I have a "bit" of a blunt tone to my posts, but not EVERYTHING I say is meant to be hostile, it's just the way I type; I didn't mean to accuse you of anything, just saying how I do things. That's the one thing I hate about this method of communication, no tone indicators; one would think I'm always angry, but for the most part, I actually really enjoy debating things like this and am not mad at the people I disagree with, lol.

There are lots ways of instilling discipline in children. Sure it may look like a relic of some kind of communist method, but today wearing a uniform has nothing to do with communism and is not supposed to be tied to communism. If I may, conformation is a characteristic of communist ideas but that does not mean that wearing a uniform => communism!

[MENTION=3430]Sarah[/MENTION]; I am going to say that I find what you say very offensive. Are you calling Asian countries backward simply because of the kind of things we do? So Islamic women wearing a Hijab is conforming to rules (religious in this case), and therefore they are backwards? How about you define what "backwards" means before things go out of hand here. Whether it slows progress is another issue, one that has been debated openly before.

/edit: erps... I don't know how to do a mention...

Hadriel

So Islamic women wearing a Hijab is conforming to rules (religious in this case), and therefore they are backwards?

Yeah, that is pretty backwards, by current civilization's standards. Islam in general is a very patriarchal religion; while it has some good aspects, the way they treat women is not one of them. And no, I'm not referring to the "slowing of progress" that you are talking about, some progress is bad and some is good, that happens to be progress that would be good if it took place; they are slowly working towards more rights for women over there, and that's good. I'm not a Muslim female, but I can't think of any reason why they would be happy with their societal status that has existed since the formation of the religion. No real upside to being an object and not an individual, you know?

Yeah, that is pretty backwards, by current civilization's standards.

nah, women who knows how to wear their hijab right is considered beautiful, and they undeniably are. and if they are faithful enough to the religion they should know why they are treated that way and not feel like an 'object'.

nah, women who knows how to wear their hijab right is considered beautiful, and they undeniably are. and if they are faithful enough to the religion they should know why they are treated that way and not feel like an 'object'.

Because they are indoctrinated from birth to feel that way. A person who has never heard anything other than that they are less than a person will obviously not feel that they are more than that. In fact, if they DO feel that way, they will be ashamed of themselves and think they are arrogant. It's a terrible system of oppression, really.

Because they are indoctrinated from birth to feel that way. A person who has never heard anything other than that they are less than a person will obviously not feel that they are more than that. In fact, if they DO feel that way, they will be ashamed of themselves and think they are arrogant. It's a terrible system of oppression, really.

ok you know what fuck you.

Yeah, that is pretty backwards, by current civilization's standards. Islam in general is a very patriarchal religion; while it has some good aspects, the way they treat women is not one of them.

Don't mix up Middle Eastern culture and Islamic culture. They're similar, not the same.