Moderation Enforced

I agree that this is too extreme. The name of one or two individuals keep coming up. One to two people is just too few for this to be implemented when it effects old users. I will say that it's good to see that something is trying to be done about the situation. However, it's not like the mods are on a pay role. This will be a lot more work for them to do everyday on frequently looked at threads, especially as volunteer work. If they get fed up with doing it, there's nothing there to make them keep spending all their time approving posts. And that is where the issue of the time it takes for posts to be approved slows down, etc, which disappoints other users. I think the idea is ok if it really is as big of an issue as Eos says it is, but I don't believe the moderation team has the man power to do it for a long period of time.

This reeeeaaaally isn't as big a deal for us as you guys are making it. This isn't being done for the entire board, after all.

Anyone who is on the way left or right of this decision (this is dumb/this is needed) (with exception of mods, obviously) should really wait and see how it actually is before making an opinion.

That said i personally don't like the idea of pre-moderation for several reasons, many of which were already said. It discourages discussion/makes the thread more about what it's originally for, it "punishes" those who contribute, and above all unless the mods are literally browsing all the time or have alerts sent to them about new posts to ok, it takes away from one of the things southperry is good for, speedy responses (something braggers obviously want/enjoy as fast as possible, which is the whole reason people post there).

It's not like letting people post freely will lead to a meltdown of the internet either. If the issue is ban evasion, i don't understand how pre-moderation for bragging threads is a fix. If an evader wanted to evade, all he would have to do is not post in those threads until he/she was eventually perma'd again. There's only been like 2 people to do that multiple times and annoying both users and mods with this crap rather than just the mods dealing with situations only to prevent drama caused by not even a few people is, as others have said, silly.

Also, this is why we need a pomegranate button.

>someone posts something in the achievement thread
>want to respond to them
>have to wait five ever for an admin to possibly accept or reject my post

seriously pineapple that

So you post it and go do something else. Honestly I do not see the problem here. You act as if people have nothing better to do than sit on these forums and wait for someone to respond to them. If that's what you're doing with your time, you need to find a better use of it, because that's an awful one.

There's more than enough Moderators around here to get posts approved that it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours, if that. The other day I accidentally double posted and it was removed within ten minutes, and it wasn't even in a very active thread.

I do not see a problem at all with this if the Moderators are fine with the extra workload, if there even is any.

So you post it and go do something else. Honestly I do not see the problem here. You act as if people have nothing better to do than sit on these forums and wait for someone to respond to them. If that's what you're doing with your time, you need to find a better use of it, because that's an awful one.

There's more than enough Moderators around here to get posts approved that it shouldn't take more than a couple of hours, if that. The other day I accidentally double posted and it was removed within ten minutes, and it wasn't even in a very active thread.

I do not see a problem at all with this if the Moderators are fine with the extra workload, if there even is any.

You're completely ignoring the discussions that are had and the questions and answers that are asked/given on an almost instant basis sometimes which will basically never happen now. (specifically achivement thread, boss battles, what have you)

You're also seeing faults with the dissenters of this rule rather than the faults of why the rule exists in the first place. One of these is silly.

Doesn't really cause a whole lot of extra workload for mods, does however make the threads move at a snailpace, which is why I've always avoided the option like the plague with the projects I've run. I mean, it works as much as the other options, but I guess I'm hoping this will be a more temporary stint than anything else.

...but I guess I'm hoping this will be a more temporary stint than anything else.

We hope to have to do this minimally and regret that it had to come to this.

[MENTION=2054]Eos[/MENTION]; Most of the 'achievements' are based on screenshots, so why not only limit the posts that contain images to moderation? Then discussions can continue freely and that won't be an issue any more.

I don't think this is necessary to be honest but it isn't the worst thing in the world. The moderators are active enough that this isn't a huge deal, it's just frustrating that the bad choices of a few members (well, actually, one? Just Sushi from my understanding) are affecting everyone, but we'll survive.

This isn't a big deal. Seriously. Do you people really think that what you say is set in stone? Once you write something it CAN NOT be deleted? If you post something that breaks the rules that post gets deleted and usually you get warned. The only difference now is that they see what you're posting before it's posted. Either way, with the old moderation or new moderation, the end result for the offensive post is still the same, it gets deleted, only now it get deleted sooner and before any one of us have to see it and deal with it. Chances are if Eos or the Mods deleted it, it meant that post was unimportant and had nothing at all to contribute and if anything took away from the discussion at hand and violated the rules. Likes Eos said, there is no room for personal feelings in Moderation. As long as your post doesn't break the rules then it will get posted even if no one agrees with it. If it doesn't break the rules, yet a mod felt the need to delete it due to personal feelings, Eos and the other Mods will handle the situation and act accordingly. Most of us have been in SP long enough to know that they're mature enough to know.

And if you take issue with your reply taking too long to be posted to a thread, or someone taking too long to reply to your thread/post, you seriously need to find something productive to do and quit your bitching.

this is stupid

it's just making more work for the mods for no logical reason
so what if someone wants to be an idiot. you ban him, we laugh at the fact that he was caught yet again.

if anything i'd be flattered that they love this site so much.

Make mods browse those threads more often, processing posts is stupid i.m.o.

Make mods browse those threads more often, processing posts is stupid i.m.o.

I'm not a huge fan of this change, but I'm struggling to come up with a good argument of why it should NOT be implemented. If you want Eos to reconsider, you might want to come up with better reasoning than "it's stupid".

I'm not a huge fan of this change, but I'm struggling to come up with a good argument of why it should NOT be implemented. If you want Eos to reconsider, you might want to come up with better reasoning than "it's stupid".

I don't want him to reconsider, because I don't think that he would actually reconsider.

But I do think this is stupid. Overmodding and ridiculous rules is what played a big role in Sleepywood turning into a ghost town. Really don't want to see that happen here.

I think something needed to be done, but to be honest, this is not the answer.

There IS a problem with rule enforcement here. Rya and Sushi are always a little to blatant when breaking rules before they're banned (in this case, revealing their identity -> ban evasion) because they do not value their ID/name at all. They know that they can recreate an account and be 'fine'. I agree that there has to be a way to increase that value of their accounts whether it be IP bans, quicker ban triggers, etc. However, I think pinpointing the problem solely on brag posts is incorrect and therefore the solution of filtering posts before they come into certain threads is incorrect. Instead of stopping the threads they want to post badly in, why not just stop them from posting badly. That's a better, more general solution that stops more cases than specifically the ones that are evading bans to brag.

For example instead of "closely moderating" the Dojo thread by filtering out every post, why not just be quick to hand out warnings/bans in that particular thread(maybe even implement some kind of temp ban system if that were possible)? If someone like sushi or rya sees how quickly their accounts get banned for posting stupidly, even they won't see the point in making a random account to post a picture then getting banned.

I think needing to get posts approved hurts the overall forum user experience unnecessarily. It hinders the entire purpose (discussion) and doesn't really completely solve the problem IMO (just some specific cases). Again, I'm all for stricter moderation, but this is the wrong kind.

"Overmodding and ridiculous rules is what played a big role in Sleepywood turning into a ghost town."

And the fact that they have nothing to compete with Southperry and Basilmarket.

This is not overmoderation - this is actually prevention of moderation. It's in the same vein as the elimination of the necroposting rule and Minority report. It prevents moderation, so how is it overmoderating?

Ridiculous rule - This is not a rule. The Rules & Regulations were not changed. Making a thread moderated does not give you more rights or prevent others.

So, this is neither a new rule nor overmoderation. I fail to see your point.

If someone like sushi or rya sees how quickly their accounts get banned for posting stupidly, even they won't see the point in making a random account to post a picture then getting banned.

Oh if only you knew...

Oh if only you knew...

Then IP ban them?

If it's really that bad that they are willing to make one post then be done, then theoretically, they could just create a new thread every time they want to post their brag post or post it in a different thread.

Then IP ban them?

I don't think you realize just how difficult it can be to ban a determined troll.

I don't think you realize just how difficult it can be to ban a determined troll.

I know how difficult it is because I've moderated forums larger than SP before. It's a part of internet forums, and there will always be someone doing crazy things. However that's not good enough reasoning to affect the experience of every user on the site.

Like I said, if someone really wanted to troll THAT badly, filtering out posts in certain threads is not going to doing anything to deter them, especially if they are willing to evade IP bans in order to do it.

I don't want him to reconsider, because I don't think that he would actually reconsider.

But I do think this is stupid. Overmodding and ridiculous rules is what played a big role in Sleepywood turning into a ghost town. Really don't want to see that happen here.

How is it overmoderation when the only difference is the mods seeing the post before the public does? The reverse is no different, except for the fact that the public sees the content and makes a fuss over it (reports, etc) so the mods can clean it up.

Then IP ban them?

If it's really that bad that they are willing to make one post then be done, then theoretically, they could just create a new thread every time they want to post their brag post or post it in a different thread.

http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php...ost1014653

So who exactly are these offenders of ban evasion since Southperry has so many of them? I'm particularly interested in the ones who make "Sleeper Accounts" just to post a screenshot.