Ask a Thief Thread.

Hey guys, I just started Maple again after a loooooooong time and I'm clueless on Shadowers post-BB. Mind giving my thread a look? Would appreciate it!

Does anyone have a build for post-Chaos Dual Blades?

I'm making one in JMST and I'm kind of stumped on what skills to max. Now, Dual Blades have Upper Stab in 3rd job instead of 3+, so it kind of threw me off and I don't know how to build my Dual Blade anymore. XD I plan to remake my Dual Blade in the official server, so can anyone give me help, please? :3 Me love you long time!

Does anyone have a build for post-Chaos Dual Blades?

I'm making one in JMST and I'm kind of stumped on what skills to max. Now, Dual Blades have Upper Stab in 3rd job instead of 3+, so it kind of threw me off and I don't know how to build my Dual Blade anymore. XD I plan to remake my Dual Blade in the official server, so can anyone give me help, please? :3 Me love you long time!

On Basil, there's a nice guide for post-chaos DB build in the DB sub-forum titled "Post Dual Blade Chaos Guide" or something like that. He even lists builds for non-nx book users, which has been of great helps since then. Though he only really lists his build, he does list 1 alternate 2/2+ build though.

Minimal suggested training area details and such as well. Nothing on equips, but overall very helpful

Hi everyone,

I have a 144 DB that I made back when DBs first came out, and I just recently came back to the game. I was wondering how DBs are since Chaos? Are they still clearly top-tier like they used to be? Or have they been nerfed to pomegranate with recent patches? I've tried browsing forums for some info on this question, but I've found nothing satisfactory.

Thanks in advance!

Hi everyone,

I have a 144 DB that I made back when DBs first came out, and I just recently came back to the game. I was wondering how DBs are since Chaos? Are they still clearly top-tier like they used to be? Or have they been nerfed to pomegranate with recent patches? I've tried browsing forums for some info on this question, but I've found nothing satisfactory.

Thanks in advance!

o_O

SHould have seen basilmarket when chaos came out. It was full of :

"ZOMG DBs ARE SOOOOO OP!!! NERFNERFENERFNERFNERF"

They got "nerfed" because their formula got a hell of a lot better. So their skill %s are lower, but damage is equivalent or better than pre chaos.

Hi everyone,

I have a 144 DB that I made back when DBs first came out, and I just recently came back to the game. I was wondering how DBs are since Chaos? Are they still clearly top-tier like they used to be? Or have they been nerfed to pomegranate with recent patches? I've tried browsing forums for some info on this question, but I've found nothing satisfactory.

Thanks in advance!

Let's just say, pre chaos it took me 4 minutes to solo pap
Post chaos, with the same equips and level one phantom blow it took me a minute and a half
Killing a mob of 6 bearwolves took me around 40 seconds pre chaos
Takes me under 15 seconds now with blade fury
Dual Blades' DPS has nearly tripled, and they are top tier.
Heck, i know a 17x db who soloed pap in 7 seconds, and there are people with 1.5x his range out there.

Nice, guys! Thanks a lot for the update. That's pretty much all I need to know. Re-motivated to level my DB! Hit me up on Bera if you guys play there. Ascendant

Does Anyone Know If Mirror Target passive avoid actually works for us. When using Mirror Target if a monster Misses on it. The Target smiles like its performing the shadow shifter animation. I Honestly don't think it works on us.

Does Anyone Know If Mirror Target passive avoid actually works for us. When using Mirror Target if a monster Misses on it. The Target smiles like its performing the shadow shifter animation. I Honestly don't think it works on us.

..Mirror Target has always smiled even before the change of added avoid. The avoid rate is for your character.

..Mirror Target has always smiled even before the change of added avoid. The avoid rate is for your character.

Thank you for the answer coming from a shadower I rather have something I know that's working by having an animation for it.

Anyone know roughly what damage range is required for a Shadower to outdo Boomerang Step + Edge Carnival with just Edge Carnival alone? Would be using PP+ME too. With 100% boss and like.. 70% DEF ignore I guess.

Anyone know roughly what damage range is required for a Shadower to outdo Boomerang Step + Edge Carnival with just Edge Carnival alone? Would be using PP+ME too. With 100% boss and like.. 70% DEF ignore I guess.

Assuming your 70% PDR Ignore in 1v1 situations

0% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 151599-168443.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 75799-84222.

25% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 163889-182099.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 81945-91050.

50% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 178350-198167.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 89176-99084.

75% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 178350-217345.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 97806-108673.

Assuming your 70% PDR Ignore in 1v1 situations

0% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 151599-168443.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 75799-84222.

25% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 163889-182099.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 81945-91050.

50% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 178350-198167.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 89176-99084.

75% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 178350-217345.
With 100% Boss, Damage Range: 97806-108673.

Thanks a ton! Would you be able to calculate for 70% boss and 75% ignore too?

Thanks a ton! Would you be able to calculate for 70% boss and 75% ignore too?

No problem

Assuming 75% PDR Ignore in 1v1 situations

0% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 151599-168443.
With 70% Boss, Damage Range: 89176-99084.

25% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 161705-179672.
With 70% Boss, Damage Range: 95120-105689.

50% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 173255-192506.
With 70% Boss, Damage Range: 101915-113239.

75% PDR:
Without %Boss, Damage Range: 186583-207314.
With 70% Boss, Damage Range: 109754-121949.

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Thanks so much! I'm like.. 900 range short. Roll on Justice x)

Anyone have a post Justice Assassin/Hermit build?

How about a Justice Dual Blade build?

The dual blade revamp comes out with hilla and aswan, right?

The dual blade revamp comes out with hilla and aswan, right?

Im not sure...All I know is I got an SP reset on my dual blade.

Anyone have a post Justice Assassin/Hermit build?

1st Job Max all but Double STab

2nd Job Max all but Gust Tornado

3rd Job Max All but Shadow Web OR Max Shadow Web and Skip out on Triple Throw as you get Quad Throw without needing TT

4th Job Max QT First, Dark Harmoney OR Claw Expert (I recommend Dark Harmony for 30% ignore def. and +40 atk), Toxic Venom (If you want more DPS) or Shadow Shifter (If you like avoiding more hits staying alive etc. etc.) then Frailty Curse (why not) or ignore that and max hero's will and get MW to 29 because 30 seconds isnt going to kill you. Leave out taunt because it's taunt...