Jamesie Wrote:(1) The fire nation village she terrorized did not know she was a Waterbender; they just thought she was some sort of witch.
(2) Hama says she and Katara are the last Southern Tribe Waterbenders (kind of funny since Katara is trained in the Northern Tribe style), so it's likely that her companions are dead.
(3) In the fire nation, I wouldn't reveal that a prisoner escaped. :/ She also could've killed him, I don't remember exactly what she does to him.
(4) Katara only bloodbent one person outside of the Hama incident. Again, he had no clue what was going on.
The key is knowing that there is water in everything. Everyone who was bloodbent in ATLA did not know that the water in themselves was being bent, they either thought there was some magic or were just confused as to what was going on.
Regardless, I find that it only really takes one person from any of those instances and then a few more people to put things together to make a believable case. I mean Zuko saw Katara bloodbend the captain guy. Sure neither of them knew exactly what was happening, but I think you can make an educated guess (and Zuko could probably confirm it with katara later). Turns out also that the guard Hama blod bent was just knocked out, so he could have had stories to tell to- like "KK kids- never screw with a water bender! They can do this funny thing where you can't move at all and they can control your movements!"
Another thing would be lightning bending for fire benders. Granted it was "common" enough that only "strong" fire benders would know how to do it, as seen in Legend of Korra, it's a common place skillset now as they supply electricity to manufacturing plants and what not. That bending was reserved for only the "strongest" benders, yet it's such a common thing now. Naturally it became common knowledge and as such, so could blood bending.
A little more farfetched, but it could also have been documented in a book somewhere in a library. I mean things back in the day were recorded that way most likely and I'm sure some people went out of their way to document everything. I just find it hard to believe that Hama was the absolute first and only person to think and conceive of bloodbending especially when all it took was knowing the fact that all life needs water :/
2012-06-13, 06:56 AM (This post was last modified: 2012-06-13, 09:14 AM by Polantaris.)
Worthyness Wrote:A little more farfetched, but it could also have been documented in a book somewhere in a library. I mean things back in the day were recorded that way most likely and I'm sure some people went out of their way to document everything. I just find it hard to believe that Hama was the absolute first and only person to think and conceive of bloodbending especially when all it took was knowing the fact that all life needs water :/
The only place you could reasonably expect it to be would be Wong Shi Tong's Library (The name might be wrong, it's the giant owl spirit in the middle of the second season of the Original Series, how they found out about the Eclipse), however that place was buried into the ground forever because of Tong's anger at Humanity. It would probably have information on both Spirit Bending and Blood Bending, however I don't see how it would be possible to get to it.
It wouldn't surprise me if they use that Library as an explanation for Amon's ability to take away bending (Some BS like the Librarian who was left in got out, had a son, and the son is Amon).
As for the Lightning Bending thing; I already gave a probable explanation to that earlier.
Worthyness Wrote:Regardless, I find that it only really takes one person from any of those instances and then a few more people to put things together to make a believable case. I mean Zuko saw Katara bloodbend the captain guy. Sure neither of them knew exactly what was happening, but I think you can make an educated guess (and Zuko could probably confirm it with katara later). Turns out also that the guard Hama blod bent was just knocked out, so he could have had stories to tell to- like "KK kids- never screw with a water bender! They can do this funny thing where you can't move at all and they can control your movements!"
Another thing would be lightning bending for fire benders. Granted it was "common" enough that only "strong" fire benders would know how to do it, as seen in Legend of Korra, it's a common place skillset now as they supply electricity to manufacturing plants and what not. That bending was reserved for only the "strongest" benders, yet it's such a common thing now. Naturally it became common knowledge and as such, so could blood bending.
A little more farfetched, but it could also have been documented in a book somewhere in a library. I mean things back in the day were recorded that way most likely and I'm sure some people went out of their way to document everything. I just find it hard to believe that Hama was the absolute first and only person to think and conceive of bloodbending especially when all it took was knowing the fact that all life needs water :/
(1) If you don't know that the Waterbenders are bending the water inside you, then it really goes nowhere. Given the fact that, I would say, science isn't exactly the strongest suit of the ATLA universe, it wouldn't shock me at all if they didn't know that humans are mostly. Alternatively, it could be similar to Metalbending where they are aware that there's earth in the metal, but it is believed that it'd be impossible to try anyways. Or, you can just Bloodbend without a full moon, it's just not nearly as strong.
(2) Likely it was a royal secret. Once the idea came out that electricity could be used to power stuff, they probably released it.
(3) If it is, it's probably documented exclusively in Wan Shi Tong's library. I highly doubt a Water Tribe, likely the second most peaceful nation, would keep the knowledge of how to perform such a dark art.
Jamesie Wrote:Just going to throw in my two cents on the argument.
I personally agree with both that it is "overpowered and stupid" as well as the fact that it breaks rules (or rather, canon). I do prefer the term plot-hole for bloodbending in LoK though. Because if you cut the bull, Bloodbending is a huge plot-hole more than anything in LoK.
Breaking rules? I suppose I can agree that there aren't "rules." Yakone/Tarrlok break what the story has told viewers about Bloodbending, which is my problem. Maybe Hama is weak? I wouldn't think so. Though Katara was able to overpower her, Hama did pass on knowledge to Katara (sources of water, Bloodbending). And to boot she was clever enough to realize that the water in people could be bent, thus discovering Bloodbending. You're right on Katara, which adds to the whole plot-hole problem with Bloodbending. (Though you could argue that she planned her "visit" to the Southern Raiders intentionally on a full moon so she could use Bloodbending).
I discussed it on another forum about the Bloodbending plot-hole, and it's really just awful. Within, like seven years is what we decided, Bloodbending when from two people to serious enough to be outlawed. How'd it spread so fast given that the only known creator is either dead/dying in Fire Nation Prison and the other would probably never mention it to another soul?
The "rulebook" depends on Hama's words. Personally I don't think Hama is that reliable of a source to say what you can and cannot do for bloodbending, for obvious reasons.
Katara probably hated bloodbending so much she probably wanted it to get outlawed. It was only a matter of time before someone else discovered it and started spreading it around, which led to her vehemence in making it illegal (she could do that since she's, well, the Avatar's wife and all).
Corn Wrote:The "rulebook" depends on Hama's words. Personally I don't think Hama is that reliable of a source to say what you can and cannot do for bloodbending, for obvious reasons.
Katara probably hated bloodbending so much she probably wanted it to get outlawed. It was only a matter of time before someone else discovered it and started spreading it around, which led to her vehemence in making it illegal (she could do that since she's, well, the Avatar's wife and all).
Which is definitely why I prefer plot-hole rather than the whole "break the rules" idea. We really have no information on Bloodbending outside of what Hama told Katara.
Coveral Wrote:Soo.... will there be an episode today or are they skipping this saturday for the final of next week o.o
According to Wikipedia there will be:
10 10 "Turning the Tides Joaquim Dos Santos & Ki Hyun Ryu Michael Dante DiMartino & Bryan Konietzko June 16, 2012 110 TBA
11 11 "Skeletons in the Closet" Joaquim Dos Santos & Ki Hyun Ryu Michael Dante DiMartino & Bryan Konietzko June 23, 2012 111 TBA
12 12 "Endgame" Joaquim Dos Santos & Ki Hyun Ryu Michael Dante DiMartino & Bryan Konietzko June 23, 2012 112 TBA
I actually outdid myself by not reading your spoilers!
This will probably be my first time watching an episode without reading all your spoilers first.
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Awesome episode with a lot of badass bending. I think it was refreshing to see Tenzin kick so much ass after getting owned over the past few Equalist encounters. Really happy that Zuko's descendent looks like a complete bamf and I hope that the Fire Nation has not lost any of its past ferocity.
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NOOO Lin lost her bending
Also, nice to know that Zuko has a descendant.
I felt so bad and was yelling at the tv, Why did such a character have to lose her bending, I hope that amon get's whats coming to him. I wanna see katara fight even though she's old :x
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Badass character pwned WHY??????
I hope Lin comes back with some badass chi blocking now >
Stupid Mako! Stop liking Korra!The main character doesn't always have to get the significant other! They're 18 for crying out loud!
In happier news, Fart Bending is pretty funny. And Zuko's kid is coming. I want the new boy to be a non-bender for some reason, but "strong kicking" could imply a bener. Water bender
Theory: I am now hoping that Amon's energy bending is imperfect. Something like how in Xmen 3 (movie) where Magneto gets his powers taken away, but not completely. I'm hoping that some people have such strong resolve/spirit that they can somehow get their bending back after it's been taken away.
WHY?????? 