Weaponless Dmg Formula?

As your may or may not know, Pirates can attack without a weapon. If you unequip your weapon, you have a dmg range too. (lolduh?) Anyway, around lv 16, I noticed it was a little higher without a weapon than with the lv 10 default Knuckle. Tested again, at level 31, and it's nearing double. :O
So, anyone know the dmg formula for Pirates when they don't have a weapon equiped?

Attack = level, STR multiplier of 3.0?

Edit: I just realized that that might actually be close despite my answer being a complete guess.

Attack = level, STR multiplier of 3.0?

Edit: I just realized that that might actually be close despite my answer being a complete guess.

Wait what? Attack = level? Meaning it's WAY better to go weapon-less when you're 120+? O_O

Wait what? Attack = level? Meaning it's WAY better to go weapon-less when you're 120+? O_O

Good point though a 3.0 STR multiplier is significantly lower than the 4.8 of a knuckle.
Like I said, it was a guess. But it fits the only two data points I had.

Edit: What does the data say about the 1h knuckle "bare hands"?

Good point though a 3.0 STR multiplier is significantly lower than the 4.8 of a knuckle.
Like I said, it was a guess. But it fits the only two data points I had.

Edit: What does the data say about the 1h knuckle "bare hands"?

....Interesting...we need a lot more data for this...

What were those data points? PM issac for what bare hands data says.

....Interesting...we need a lot more data for this...

What were those data points? PM issac for what bare hands data says.

Level 16 = a little more than default knuckle
Level 31 = nearing double

Level 16 = a little more than default knuckle
Level 31 = nearing double

I'm asking justin what his damage range is with and without a knuckle.

On IRC:
<Isaac> I don't have it available atm

The damage range would obviously apply right? I'm really interested in this right now...

Edit: How did we forget the obvious?

KNUCKLE MASTERY.

Justins damage range:

With : 1563 ~ 2805
Without : 131 ~ 1018

Doesn't sound right to me saph.

What's the attack on his knuckle?

What's the attack on his knuckle?

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/785185/...8#17130718

Knuckle : 6 str 87 attack King Sent

I'm a Gunslinger, so I had no STR increase between those two levels. (Got STR and DEX to 36 before deciding which path I wanted... Dx)

Range at 19(loliguessilied?) was, I think, two points away http://i37.tinypic.com/wclaf4.jpg Iunno, I know weaponless was just a little higher.
Range at 19 without a weapon was 18~40, with the default was close, don't have exact numbers. Dx
Range at 31 without a weapon is 44~88, with the default knuckle it's 23~49 (37 STR, 130 DEX)
Range at 32 before I added my AP is the same. ;o
Range at 32 without a weapon is 46~90, with the default knuckle it's 24~50 (37 STR, 135 DEX)

...Why are you asking at all if you're a gunslinger? >__________>

Shoulda specified that from the start.

I'm curious? D; I have problems with getting out all the details. :[

I could probably get a usable formula out from just this, but I'm too lazy at the moment lol.

Formula should be easy, as we have concrete numbers to deal with and a general idea of what it should look like.

That is, (X*STR*(min) + DEX)*Y/100

Where X and Y are unknowns, Y probably being based off your level, and min is equal to 1 if you're calculating max damage, and something else for min damage.

Gimme a minute.
I'm ignoring some previous posts because I realized that Weapon attack from gloves and stuff affects your damage unarmed.

Update.
31 STR 174 DEX = (79~130) @ 36 with glove
31 STR 174 DEX = (57~94) without

31 STR 174 DEX = (79~130) @ level 35 with 12 att glove
31 STR 174 DEX = (57~94) sans the glove.
31 STR 163 DEX = (54~90)
31 STR 158 DEX = (52~89)

31 STR 173 DEX = (57~93)
30 STR 173 DEX = (57~92)
30 STR 157 DEX = (52~87)

30 STR 157 DEX + 12 ATT = (72~121)

Hazzy's data point screws up anything I might have had going. 36 STR 70 DEX = (18~40) @ 19 with no glove.

STR and DEX definitely affect it. The numbers changed every time I switched DEX equips. Level looks like it makes a difference, but I'm unsure.

The closest formula I got with my data points only is (3.6*STR + DEX)*(WATK)/100, where base WATK is 34.

I can't determine what it is at the moment, but I hope the data helps anyone else that is looking for it. I'll try again when I hit level 36.

Added another data point from my forgotten gunslinger mule: 10 STR 55 DEX @ 10 = 9~14

I'm confused as hell now. I think W. Att changes every X level instead of every level.

This should be sufficient, I'll just post the numbers first give you guys a chance

lv. 17, 78 str 22 dex
13-95 with 16 atk Scallywag Knuckler + 8 atk wg
12-74 with 8 atk wg
9-53 without wg
lv. 17, 78 str 22 dex
12-76 with 8 atk wg
9-56 without wg
Adding str: (w. 8 atk wg on)
79 str - 12-77
80 str - 13-78
81 str - 13-79
82 str - 13-80
83 str - 13-81
83 str without wg - 9-59

There's something I noticed too when leveling a gunslinger in KMS. I do more damage without a Knuckle than with a Knuckle with my stats, which obviously has more DEX than STR. This doesn't apply to Brawlers, though.

Knuckle's Atk = level+4 (matches both Hazzy's and my numbers)
Formula: (3*STR+DEX)*atk/100 max .

Wait, so at level 200, going Knuckeless would be realy high damage? o_o