Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS)

You gotta look at the whole progression of the story though. That fact only popped up after the fight began. For all we know it could've been a last minute story change, which is definitely possible. A mangaka can't stick with a single story, he/she needs to be prepared to make changes to what he/she wanted the story to be like in order to please the fans.

You gotta look at the whole progression of the story though. That fact only popped up after the fight began. For all we know it could've been a last minute story change, which is definitely possible. A mangaka can't stick with a single story, he/she needs to be prepared to make changes to what he/she wanted the story to be like in order to please the fans.

Ok, the point remains that this is what happened. Doesn't matter what could have been or could have happened because this is what occured. I can look at the progression of this arc and see something that was filler-esque and that had some potential, but in reality was fairly random and very long-winded without too much significant stuff happening. Ichigo being Ichigo doesn't come as a surprise, but I can still be annoyed with this arc's progression.

All this arc did was give a means to give Ichigo his powers back. Nothing much else happened except for Ginjo's conspiracy theory at the end.

Eh I can kinda see this, but not really to the extent that you are saying. Ginjo may have taught Ichigo fullbring, but at the same time, he was the mastermind behind the whole, "I'm going to mindfuck you and your family and destroy you thing." So it is pretty black and white, Ichigo kills Ginjo, or his life is ruined and he dies. The issue with Kubo's ratings probably came from the fact that this arc blew and took way to dam long to get through the insignificant crap that we all had to read through for the last few months. I really don't have much sympathy for Kubo and am not completely sure why Ichigo cares so much about having Ginjo's body be buried in the real world. I guess the only reasons I can see is that Ichigo can understand partially why Ginjo reacted as he did and since he's a human, Ichigo wants his body to lie in the real world that hes from, or something like that.

Ichigo wants to bury him in the material world because he feels more of a kinship with him as they are both substitute shinigami, and ichigo doesn't feel very much anger towards him for trying to f'uck his life. If ichigo didn't care, it would make him more like the s'hitty ginjo who turned against the soul society for basically no reason other than feeling betrayed and then set out to do this whole xcution thing. This arc progresses ichigo as a character much more than any other arc, imo, but i don't think we needed such a roundabout way to do that.

Thats not progression. Thats just bad.

The only reason he wants to bury him in the real world is solely because he's a substitute shinigami? Absolutely nothing else?

Sorry but I don't buy that. If anything thats absolutely retarded. Ginjo went above and beyond to pineapple with Ichigo's life, his family and his friends.

Ichigo wants to bury him in the material world because he feels more of a kinship with him as they are both substitute shinigami, and ichigo doesn't feel very much anger towards him for trying to f'uck his life. If ichigo didn't care, it would make him more like the s'hitty ginjo who turned against the soul society for basically no reason other than feeling betrayed and then set out to do this whole xcution thing. This arc progresses ichigo as a character much more than any other arc, imo, but i don't think we needed such a roundabout way to do that.

Alright that makes sense, but I still think the whole arc was kind of unnecessary. Hopefully now that we are past it, we can actually make some progress into what lies ahead.

Predictions anyone?

Thats not progression. Thats just bad.

The only reason he wants to bury him in the real world is solely because he's a substitute shinigami? Absolutely nothing else?

Sorry but I don't buy that. If anything thats absolutely retarded. Ginjo went above and beyond to pineapple with Ichigo's life, his family and his friends.

Didn't say it was good.

He sympathizes with him. That's all i could derive to justify that decision. What do you want from me? It's a bad arc and i'm just trying to make sense of it.

Most of the f'uckage was done by tsukishima. Pretty much all of the damage was reversed, ichigo got his powers back, and the enemy is dead/long gone. Does it mean ichigo thinks ginjo deserves to rest with the society he spent his final days hating? If the roles were reversed i doubt ginjo wouldn't do the same thing, because that's just the honorable thing to do.

I think it's an interesting take in shonen manga. Typically it's a black and white thing, but in this case the antagonist, protagonist relation is kinda gray. The problem with this arc is that it wasn't executed properly, which is perfectly understandable. Considering the ratings that Kubo got, I'm sure his editor or some higher brass pressured him to finish it as soon as possible. I can see a psychological conflict being an interesting story where Ichigo has to go through with fighting to the death with a mentor figure. But considering the rush to end the arc, that wasn't really flushed out at all.

If he wanted/had to end the Arc so fast, It would have been better to derail it than rushing it like he did. Everything went so fast that we couldn't grasp all that was going on. or maybe he did?.

Also, I don't see why japanese people were so anxious to see the Gotei 13 back. IDK about you but I didn't mind the idea of seeing Chad, Orihime, Inoue, Uryuu and the rest of Xcution be the main stars for a while, fighting as allies against Tsukishima and other baddies as it was at first.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kubos in trouble because his ratings fell through the floor and he's getting told to fix it or finish bleach. This arc stunk of executive meddling since around halfway through.

Well, he had to do it. He had to get Ichigo's power back, to let Bleach continue.

Well, he had to do it. He had to get Ichigo's power back, to let Bleach continue.

Not an excuse for this crap. There were other ways he could have gotten his powers back. Not saying I personally have thought of better ways, but after reading this arc, I feel that it couldn't have been that hard to find better alternatives.

Guys, I decided to start watching Bleach. As I did with Naruto, I planned on skipping the filler. I just started the Arrancar arc, I skipped the Bount arc and read 2 or 3 manga chapters to close any possible plotholes. The problem is that when I started watching, the ex-bount or whatever appeared, I thought it would be just some kind of closure to the filler but then they appeared again to help Kon. There's also the whole change about how Uryuu lost his powers and that stuff.
Does the anime continue to do this a lot later on (bringing elements from fillers to the canon adaptation)?

"I planned on skipping the filler."

So why in god's name are you watching the anime?

"I planned on skipping the filler."

So why in god's name are you watching the anime?

Color, sound, animation...

Bleach is literally the worst anime in the world to watch if you intend to try and not watch filler/edited content.

Bleach is literally the worst anime in the world to watch if you intend to try and not watch filler/edited content.

Well lately even as they have been following the most recent arc, they still are continually adding in their own bulls'hit as they go along. Like more random backstory and random hints at where the plot is going all over the place. Lately I've become pretty disgusted with the anime as they can't even stick to the dam manga like they are supposed to. Really annoying, just read the manga and then go back to the anime for fights/cool stuff.

Damn... well, I guess I'll just read the manga...

Well lately even as they have been following the most recent arc, they still are continually adding in their own bulls'hit as they go along. Like more random backstory and random hints at where the plot is going all over the place. Lately I've become pretty disgusted with the anime as they can't even stick to the dam manga like they are supposed to. Really annoying, just read the manga and then go back to the anime for fights/cool stuff.

That sir, is a disgusting point of view. Especially in an arc where there was no character depth and good backstory whatsoever. Anyway, a lot of Bleach's filler arcs are palatable (bar the ones that happen in the middle of the Hueco mundo arc). But honestly, you should only watch anime clips, not the entire series. Like important fights and the like.

I had a friend tell me many times that the Zanpakutou Rebellion arc. with Muramasa was pretty good. I never watched it since I dropped Bleach's anime after Ichigo's fight with Grimmjow.

That sir, is a disgusting point of view. Especially in an arc where there was no character depth and good backstory whatsoever. Anyway, a lot of Bleach's filler arcs are palatable (bar the ones that happen in the middle of the Hueco mundo arc). But honestly, you should only watch anime clips, not the entire series. Like important fights and the like.

Ok I'm glad you think my point of view is disgusting and then gave little to no reasoning on why you think that. Nice bias bro. I'm ok with the backstory, but if you are up to date on the manga and also watching the anime like I am, then you should be able to see what I'm talking about.

FOR EXAMPLE.

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See that page? Ok, so we all know that Ginjo was the guy who attacked Ishida and Kubo originally drew it in a way that we would think it was Tsukishima who cut him.

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WELL in the anime episode I JUST WATCHED 2 MINUTES AGO it has a flashback where Ishida blatantly sees his attacker's face and it is none other than.... TSUKISHIMA. Now if the anime was following the manga as the story actually goes, it would/could have A) not shown his face, leaving it in mystery until the arc reaches its climax B) shown ginjos face or C) not shown the god dam flash back at all. So this not only confuses the hell out of me as to where they are going with the anime, but they do this bulls'hit all the time- continually having flashbacks and random crap that did not happen in the manga, completely changing the story.

So if I have to be 'disgusting' to actually care about the story enough to get pissed off when the anime diverts on some other ridiculous storyline, then I am disgusting. Maybe you should actually watch the anime before you make claims like this in the future.

Edit: If I'm misunderstanding something about the manga's plot, someone please correct me because this is driving me nuts.