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Running my own numbers the set effect stats more than made up for the difference in potential (tbf ran with unique stats) and the 30% boss was simply an added bonus. Any extra attack from chaos'ing is just an added bonus on top of that.

I had to make it to the full set for that to be the case though. Top/bott -> Overall would definitely be the last piece to switch out if you are putting together a set piece by piece.

That's nice and all, but the debate is Overall vs Top/Bot in terms of 4set bonus with Unique and/or Legendary. Like, would the 4set bonus outweigh the % Stat difference.
I'd like to hear what you'd have to say.

That's nice and all, but the debate is Overall vs Top/Bot in terms of 4set bonus with Unique and/or Legendary. Like, would the 4set bonus outweigh the % Stat difference.
I'd like to hear what you'd have to say.

Reading his post I think it is fairly clear it would not be enough with 4 set bonus. Especially since he ran the number with unique tier. Legendary would only make the gap wider.

That's nice and all, but the debate is Overall vs Top/Bot in terms of 4set bonus with Unique and/or Legendary. Like, would the 4set bonus outweigh the % Stat difference.
I'd like to hear what you'd have to say.

Sorry it was late when I posted - I guess I did say that in a round-a-bout way though CarrionCrow is right. If you never intend on going past the 4 set then for the majority of cases you'll want to use a top/bott (with legendary tier). Given the ridiculous potential the overall has to add wattk you can never count it out though.

Now where it gets tricky is if you someday strive to have a 6 set, or if you have the funds to chaos the crap out of overalls, or if you don't have the funds to get that many items to legendary then a case can be made that the overalls are the better choice when taking in more variables than just range. It's just cheaper to only cube one piece rather than two and the leftovers funds can go towards making something else better.

Same can be said of Stereo's point for top/bott if you happen to play more than one warrior than there are other variables out there at play.

Sorry it was late when I posted - I guess I did say that in a round-a-bout way though CarrionCrow is right. If you never intend on going past the 4 set then for the majority of cases you'll want to use a top/bott (with legendary tier). Given the ridiculous potential the overall has to add wattk you can never count it out though.

Now where it gets tricky is if you someday strive to have a 6 set, or if you have the funds to chaos the crap out of overalls, or if you don't have the funds to get that many items to legendary then a case can be made that the overalls are the better choice when taking in more variables than just range. It's just cheaper to only cube one piece rather than two and the leftovers funds can go towards making something else better.

Same can be said of Stereo's point for top/bott if you happen to play more than one warrior than there are other variables out there at play.

Took quite a bit, but i finally swapped my top and bottom for a overall i made. overall is 32 str 17 attack u/h and 12% str (waiting on legendary)

top is 22 str 15% str and bottom is 15 str 18% str

my range is about 68,523 with overalls on and 68,201 with top and bottom

i have a 5 set including overalls, cape not yet found though.

saved up 7 battlemails over the course of a month, as well as 38 miraculous chaos scrolls. end result was a 17 attack overall, 7 atk overall, 2 atk overall, and the rest went to 0

What do

^ pot on reveal

I have 53% str aside from the SCG, about 170-230 attack depending on character/buffs...
- how much attack does the Imp need to be better
- is it worth GM scrolling it

What do

^ pot on reveal

I have 53% str aside from the SCG, about 170-230 attack depending on character/buffs...
- how much attack does the Imp need to be better
- is it worth GM scrolling it

Rough calculation:
- You get 5% more str on the Imperial, which translates to about 3% higher damage (5/153). Therefore, you can afford to lose 3% of your attack and still do the same damage as with the SCG. 3% of ~200 is 6. So you need 10 attack on the Imperial for it to be marginally better than the SCG. Remember that in situations where potential is disabled, the SCG will still be better. (And it'll also be useful for lower level chars and non-warriors)
- Normally I wouldn't GM-scroll a glove with "so few" slots, but since you want a tradeable glove, this might be it.

Remember that in situations where potential is disabled, the SCG will still be better.

Well, I intend to keep the SCG, for those reasons. But where is potential disabled? I only know of PvP and sometimes Von Leon.

Well, I intend to keep the SCG, for those reasons. But where is potential disabled? I only know of PvP and sometimes Von Leon.

PvP, VL, empress, akarium, maybe balrog?

am i the only one with the opinion that if potential is disabled, a measly few extra attack isn't going to make much of a difference?

Im having trouble deciding on what end-game shoulder to invest in.

Option A is the Silent Crusade Shoulders, lvl 80, which I will scroll with the Silent Crusade scrolls.

Option B is the Tenacious Grand Pauldron, lvl 130, which I will scroll with STR accessory scrolls.

I do not want to use chaos scrolls to up either of their atk, as I have the worst luck of any person in the world.

Now this is the question I have for you gentlemen. When scrolled with the crusade scrolls, the Silent Crusade Shoulders give a much higher yield on static primary stats and W. Atk, and can yield the potential bonuses limited to a lvl 80 item. However, the tenacious pauldrons are 130, which can give much higher potential stats than the crusader. On the flip side, to achieve such godly potential would require alot of money.

Which do you guys recommend? What is the better end-game shoulder? Is it worth dumping loads of NX on a Tenacious to try and get the 12% str bonus?

Also, is it possible to still HP wash? About 2 years ago I had started hte process, but recently started playing maple again a month ago, with 45 pts left in Health on my dark knight. I have heard rumors that Nexon has patched washing so you cannot put into health or mana, nor pull out of health or mana via AP reset. Please clear this up for me so I can know whether or not to pomegranate my pants.

Thank you.

AP resets from HP/MP is fine, but you don't gain extra MP by having INT unless you're a magician now. So other classes just kinda get what they already have.

However, the tenacious pauldrons are 130, which can give much higher potential stats than the crusader.

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Since when?

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Since when?

I was under the impression items under level 120 could not reach 12% of a stat from a line.

I just read that shoulders cannot be potentialed, is this correct?

I was under the impression items under level 120 could not reach 12% of a stat from a line.

I just read that shoulders cannot be potentialed, is this correct?

Crusader shoulders can. I know because mine has potential.
I don't know about pauldrons. If they have slots, they can be potentialled.
And the fourth potential tier was removed a while back, so the potential on level 130 and level 80 gear is the same. Unless Legendary potential changes that?

No shoulder decorations in the game can be scrolled except the Silent Crusade ones. That means they are the only ones that can have potential, and they can have 12% stat at legendary tier. And yes, fully scrolled Silent Crusade Shoulders beats the best pauldrons without even touching potential, 12 att 15 all stat compared to 5 att 10 main stat.

do. not. make. an. untradable. pauldron. with. gallants.

waste of gallants. tradable one at least has a justification over a silent crusade shoulder.

[...]tradable one at least has a justification over a silent crusade shoulder.

Not really.
Tradability is only interesting if A) you have invested a lot in scrolls or potential, B) if the item is hard to replace or C) if the item has resell value. Pauldrons does not fit into any. Granted, you could use low level pauldrons before you finish enough of Silent Crusade to get the shoulders, but that would not get you much stats and it would be a terrible, terrible waste of emblems.

yeah, i made an 8 str one before silent crusade came out and i use it on new chars instead of wasting time running around for a day when i could be training. i might do silent crusade at some point on a second character, but i dont like repeating quests and i have enough rings.

thats the only reason i have one. silent crusade was a surprise. ive gotten good use out of it since i dont play luk or int classes much / at all.

i would add a category to your list: common tradable gear is interesting to have. good, cheap, reusable boost. "already have a pauldron" fits that, but "make a pauldron" doesnt because of the expense.

It's not even that hard to get the Silent Crusade shoulders.
After I finished the whole storyline, I was only 4 coins from getting the rank for the shoulders without doing any repeatable quests on my Demon Slayer.

It's the scrolls for it that are tougher.