One Piece thread (Spoilers)

10 members are expected and jinbe isn't as strong as zorro or sanji atm imo. Plus his role isn't strength it's the relationship of fishman and human. It breaks the discrimnated bounds.

So he's the token black guy. Okay. Is that all we want out of a character now? Someone that's just around for racial diversity? Oda had better write in someone that's handicapped next arc we gotta break down all the bounds

So he's the token black guy. Okay. Is that all we want out of a character now? Someone that's just around for racial diversity? Oda had better write in someone that's handicapped next arc we gotta break down all the bounds

That's kind of ignorant considering he was clearly written in the story to guide luffy requested by Ace, who was one of the only human's he's tolerated. Jinbe has been foreshadowed since like episode 2x? He offers more experience and flexibility for the SH's

That's kind of ignorant considering he was clearly written in the story to guide luffy requested by Ace, who was one of the only human's he's tolerated. Jinbe has been foreshadowed since like episode 2x? He offers more experience and flexibility for the SH's

But what is fun about that? I don't care about practicality. One Piece is not a world where practicality remotely matters. There are islands floating in the sky and a mountain where water flows up and blood loss only matters if it's plot relevant.

Do you know why Luffy has rubber powers? It's because it enables Oda to keep the story lighthearted even at serious and tense moments because his attacks are inherently goofy looking. This is at its heart a fun story, not a realistic one.

And Rayleigh was foreshadowed before Jinbei was. Oda has slipped references to later characters all the time before actually introducing them, that doesn't really mean anything besides Oda has a direction. And if Jinbei sticks around just because Ace asked him to babysit Luffy, then now we have somebody on board that non-comically tries to stop luffy from doing dumb things, which makes the story that much less fun.

Forget about anything practical for a moment. What about Jinbei's personality do you enjoy? What about his fighting? Is it particularly interesting or creative? Why do you still want his character around?

That's kind of ignorant considering he was clearly written in the story to guide luffy requested by Ace, who was one of the only human's he's tolerated. Jinbe has been foreshadowed since like episode 2x? He offers more experience and flexibility for the SH's

But what is fun about that? I don't care about practicality. One Piece is not a world where practicality remotely matters. There are islands floating in the sky and a mountain where water flows up and blood loss only matters if it's plot relevant.

Do you know why Luffy has rubber powers? It's because it enables Oda to keep the story lighthearted even at serious and tense moments because his attacks are inherently goofy looking. This is at its heart a fun story, not a realistic one.

And Rayleigh was foreshadowed before Jinbei was. Oda has slipped references to later characters all the time before actually introducing them, that doesn't really mean anything besides Oda has a direction. And if Jinbei sticks around just because Ace asked him to babysit Luffy, then now we have somebody on board that non-comically tries to stop luffy from doing dumb things, which makes the story that much less fun.

Forget about anything practical for a moment. What about Jinbei's personality do you enjoy? What about his fighting? Is it particularly interesting or creative? Why do you still want his character around?

But what is fun about that? I don't care about practicality. One Piece is not a world where practicality remotely matters. There are islands floating in the sky and a mountain where water flows up and blood loss only matters if it's plot relevant.

...Each character has a purpose, or practicality. What? He even said why he needs each character lol

Do you know why Luffy has rubber powers? It's because it enables Oda to keep the story lighthearted even at serious and tense moments because his attacks are inherently goofy looking. This is at its heart a fun story, not a realistic one.

Sounds more like an assumptions but I have no idea.

And Rayleigh was foreshadowed before Jinbei was. Oda has slipped references to later characters all the time before actually introducing them, that doesn't really mean anything besides Oda has a direction. And if Jinbei sticks around just because Ace asked him to babysit Luffy, then now we have somebody on board that non-comically tries to stop luffy from doing dumb things, which makes the story that much less fun.

Er if you consider a random image of him foreshadowed, while jinbe was actually introduced..especially at such a crucial point.

Forget about anything practical for a moment. What about Jinbei's personality do you enjoy? What about his fighting? Is it particularly interesting or creative? Why do you still want his character around?

We know as much about jinbe as we knew about robin when she joined. You're jumping the gun on his personality, frankly I'd at least let him guide them to the new world and see how he reacts. One piece is about friendship and I think jinbe saved his ass at the most critical conditions.

...Each character has a purpose, or practicality. What? He even said why he needs each character lol



Sounds more like an assumptions but I have no idea.



Er if you consider a random image of him foreshadowed, while jinbe was actually introduced..especially at such a crucial point.



We know as much about jinbe as we knew about robin when she joined. You're jumping the gun on his personality, frankly I'd at least let him guide them to the new world and see how he reacts. One piece is about friendship and I think jinbe saved his ass at the most critical conditions.

I forgot what it was (might have been an SBS or something) but Oda did explain that's the origin of the rubber powers.

Jinbei was a name drop years ago. His name came up purely in exposition. So have countless others. Saying "X will happen because Y was foreshadowed" is purely speculation, because Oda loves foreshadowing, and does it for plenty of characters.

We know so much more than we did about Robin. All we knew about robin was that she had a badass power, she was trying to find the true history, and Luffy didn't let her die. Robin was intentionally an enigma. We had seen about two or three chapters of her before she joined. We have already had flashbacks into Jinbei's past! We have seen him interact with the main characters multiple times, and fight in two large scale battles. What major piece of his personality are we missing?

So far, I have liked every character luffy has liked enough to ask to join. This changes things.

I forgot what it was (might have been an SBS or something) but Oda did explain that's the origin of the rubber powers.

Jinbei was a name drop years ago. His name came up purely in exposition. So have countless others. Saying "X will happen because Y was foreshadowed" is purely speculation, because Oda loves foreshadowing, and does it for plenty of characters.

We know so much more than we did about Robin. All we knew about robin was that she had a badass power, she was trying to find the true history, and Luffy didn't let her die. Robin was intentionally an enigma. We had seen about two or three chapters of her before she joined. We have already had flashbacks into Jinbei's past! We have seen him interact with the main characters multiple times, and fight in two large scale battles. What major piece of his personality are we missing?

So far, I have liked every character luffy has liked enough to ask to join. This changes things.

..He was introduced as one of the schibukai or w/e. Jinbe is honor driven, much like zoro, jinbe is smart and loyal. He's also a fishman which gives a lot more flexibility to the SH.

...And you don't find it fishy he has such large part of the story along with the relationship he had with whitebeard/ace?

I don't know why you don't think he isn't qualified, he is clearly qualified for the type of bonding and family osmosis each character goes through.

..He was introduced as one of the schibukai or w/e. Jinbe is honor driven, much like zoro, jinbe is smart and loyal. He's also a fishman which gives a lot more flexibility to the SH.

...And you don't find it fishy he has such large part of the story along with the relationship he had with whitebeard/ace?

I don't know why you don't think he isn't qualified, he is clearly qualified for the type of bonding and family osmosis each character goes through.

He may be qualified for that, but he doesn't have anything else. For one, he has no unique fighting style, and for that matter he is already a master in it implying that it won't evolve. His bounty is also higher than Luffy's, which first implies that Jinbei is at least as strong as zoro and sanji, and then also means that the captain of the straw hats will no longer have the highest bounty. A bit weird.

He may be qualified for that, but he doesn't have anything else. For one, he has no unique fighting style, and for that matter he is already a master in it implying that it won't evolve. His bounty is also higher than Luffy's, which first implies that Jinbei is at least as strong as zoro and sanji, and then also means that the captain of the straw hats will no longer have the highest bounty. A bit weird.

Bounty isn't determined by strength. Also their bounties would greatly increase considering they took down one of the pacifistas in like 1 hit each. My personal opinion, jinbe's dream is to unite both fishman and people, to make the queens dream a reality, he also has a strong family dynamic.

The last time the bountys were updated was so f'ucking long ago, too. It isn't a good benchmark at this point. It probably won't even be changed because fishman island is so isolated. Even if luffy does the same thing as whitebeard and makes it his territory or something, the bountys won't necessarily increase. Something like impel down or a government related incident needs to happen again.

Even if luffy does the same thing as whitebeard and makes it his territory or something, the bountys won't necessarily increase. Something like impel down or a government related incident needs to happen again.

The world thought Luffy and his crew were dead. They revealed that they were still alive on Saobody Archipelago after the timeskip, they raised hell by pretty much one-shotting Pacifistas, and escaped easily. I would say that's a new reason for the government to be alert and to possibly raise bounties again, but might not be big enough just yet.

I'll reply to a bunch of the Jinbei posts later, I'm busy right now.

He may be qualified for that, but he doesn't have anything else. For one, he has no unique fighting style

Please, show me the other person in the straw hats whose fighting style revolves around using water.

and for that matter he is already a master in it implying that it won't evolve.

Zoro is already a master swordsman.
Sanji is a master of the black/red leg style.
In fact, they both really were before the time skip, did that mean they couldn't improve how they fight and get stronger? Nope.

His bounty is also higher than Luffy's, which first implies that Jinbei is at least as strong as zoro and sanji

And what is wrong with having someone strong join the crew?

and then also means that the captain of the straw hats will no longer have the highest bounty. A bit weird.

When Robin joined her bounty was (As far as we knew) higher than luffys. Plus Luffy, Zoro and Sanji have certainly earnt an increase after what they did on Shabondy to the Pacifistas. It's unlikely anyone else will have an increase yet, but I'm sure its coming

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of the Fishman karate members don't really fight alike. Kuroobi, Jinbei, and Hodi all fought really differently. Jinbei can do all sorts of crazy things with water. He can basically create vibrations/waves in the air and through people's bodies, pull at and manipulate water, shoot water projectiles wherever he is- either from the water or generate water around his hands, can move around and dive really smoothly in the water, and he's built as a sturdy as hell karate practitioner with a figure like that. Kuroobi was pretty much all punches, kicks, and using his elbow. I would consider Hodi to be all about using that blade on his back in the water, using his speed in the water, a bunch of gun-like projectile attacks, and using his teeth.

If you want to also consider what aspects of Jinbei sort of make him an oddball in the same sense as a talking reindeer, a cyborg in Speedos who's powered on cola, and a talking skeleton; he resembles Japanese demons with the stuff going on at the side of his face and his tusks and he's really inspired and reminiscent of yakuza- the guy's epithet "The Knight of the Sea" is a Japanese pun for "The Yakuza of the Sea" (actually, the term refers to a high ranking yakuza official, but that translation works too). I think that qualifies him as weird enough for the Straw Hats.

Also, Jinbei can smile. Chapter 634, page 15 and also in Chapter 547 there's a color walk of Luffy and the main characters in the Impel Down escape with Jinbei smiling. You also see him grinning and his face mellowing out when he sees Luffy calmed down after rampaging in the jungle in Amazon Lily.

It was brought up in this thread what haven't we seen in Jinbei before. Well, we've never seen him in a casual environment before and so we've never really seen him let himself get laidback. Impel Down and Marineford arc was all about his duty to Ace to protect Luffy and wanting to save Ace, so it's the right time for him to be all-serious-all-the-time. Post-war stuff with him was watching Luffy beat the living crap out of himself in the jungle and completely shutting down, of course he can't play some sort of comedy gold role then because he needed to be there to calm Luffy down and get some sense into Luffy. And finally, if you want to get into Fishman Island, he's solemn out of respect at Otohime's grave and he's serious about protecting the island from Hodi and about the race relations on the island, so again, he can't show his more chill side. His flashbacks aren't really telling either because they've never really given us a place to show him as chill- they were all pretty much about showing him as the honorable and respectful one around ethical issues around the problems of human-fishman relations, it's not fair to really judge him yet.

Zoro is pretty much a really serious and honorable character too, but his role is to be aloof and oblivious (not to mention having awful navigation skills), but he manages to be some of the best comedy gold in the series. Jinbei probably just isn't gonna be as awesome as Zoro, but I'm sure he'll find a place to fit. Who knows? We might find a goofy side in Jinbei and also get to watch him struggle maintaining his seriousness around the crew. I dunno if he'd exactly be a buzzkill, but I would say some of the other characters like Nami already find a way to fill that role.

The other and one of the most crucial elements of ANY crew member for Luffy is that Luffy has to see them as a friend and really like them. Some of you guys might not really like him, but if you go back to the beginning of Fishman Island, Luffy already thought of Jinbei as a really good friend. From a plot perspective, that's pretty much a good sign that Luffy will get the possible idea of recruiting them. And of course, it happened. Luffy really likes him and sees him as a good friend, I don't see what the problem is.

Anyways, I'm perfectly happy seeing him join the crew if Oda knows how to make it work- which for now, I think he does- and if Jinbei really will reject them, so be it.

I dunno, that logic too is kinda flawed, as the island is protected by an outlaw as well in the form of Big Mam and before that White Bear. So FI would have never had any trouble with the Marines and the World Government anyway.

While it's true that she can't really do anything, Jinbei's character hasn't really developed much either. He's noble and overly serious, and that's what we've understood him to be ever since Impel Down.

Don't really have an issue here, just want to mention you forgot about Drum Island and Skypea

Jinbei is honorable. He knows he's not allowed back on Fishman Island and he has the honor to follow that. In other words, you might think that he doesn't really have to, but his character believes that he's not supposed to be there. He was only around the Sea Forest just to meet Luffy and pay his respects to Otohime until the events of the arc made him return to fight the Neo Fishman Pirates. I would agree too, but his character would probably never allow him to do that, and so, I don't think it's all that flawed if you think about it this way.

Also, I think we've seen a lot of interesting sides to Jinbei. I would argue we've learned a lot about his ethics, who he really is, and how he became into the tame and has the kind of self-control he has in the present. I think that gives him a lot more depth and intrigue than it does for some of the other characters we've seen this arc like Shirahoshi and Brohoshi. He's not all that bad at the present, but I think we should open up and give him a chance.

my argument against Jinbei was gonna be that he felt too old, but then I realized Robin/Franky and Brook (though he doesn't really count) were almost the same age. The only thing I really have against him is that he has already experienced a lot of what the Strawhats haven't done yet (which, i guess, contributes to the feeling of "old" that I get from him). I'm sure he would be a good addition to the crew, but i just don't really see him doing it.

i acknowledge the fact that he basically has nothing left on the island besides possibly joining the kingdom's army again because he gets "pardoned". Also acknowledge the fact that some have denied Luffy's request and have become "allies" instead of crew.

My hopes is that he doesn't join the crew, but i would be fine with him joining if it does happen.

my argument against Jinbei was gonna be that he felt too old, but then I realized Robin/Franky and Brook (though he doesn't really count) were almost the same age. The only thing I really have against him is that he has already experienced a lot of what the Strawhats haven't done yet (which, i guess, contributes to the feeling of "old" that I get from him). I'm sure he would be a good addition to the crew, but i just don't really see him doing it.

i acknowledge the fact that he basically has nothing left on the island besides possibly joining the kingdom's army again because he gets "pardoned". Also acknowledge the fact that some have denied Luffy's request and have become "allies" instead of crew.

My hopes is that he doesn't join the crew, but i would be fine with him joining if it does happen.

Correct me if I'm wrong but jinbe never went to the new world. He went to the grandline and came back with arlong?

Correct me if I'm wrong but jinbe never went to the new world. He went to the grandline and came back with arlong?

Well, considering that Fishman Island is in the New World, I'm sure they wandered around a bit. But probably spent the majority of their time in the Grandline.

Alright, I'm done arguing against Jinbei on any logical level. Really, when I think "Jinbe joining the crew" I just feel like it doesn't quite fit for one reason or another. If Oda changes my mind, great.

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Looks like jinbe going to pull a ViVi, but shirahoshi being the ancient weapon def gives us perspective of what they actually are. I figured jinbe would attempt to push it off, otherwise the cliffhanger wouldn't have been necessary

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I am so okay with everything that happened in this chapter. Hopefully by the chapter after next they'll be moving onto the new world.

Seems we forget one person; one that was locked in the barrel. What happened to him.

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Shirahoshi being the ancient weapon is quite a shock, I totally didn't see that coming