Hermit huh...

Agreed, i really dislike the changes they made to buccaneers, I was going to continue mine until i saw transform was taken away, the same goes with shadowers, they just look like dual blades now, the only class that isnt too bad is corsair, but they got battleship removed which kinda disappointed me as well.

I still don't see how shadowers look like dual blades.

I don't know what you people are on about.
All they did was add some new attacks to third job.
People always complained about how terrible avenger was, so they added 2 new mob skills and a rush skill.
All it does is make 2nd and 3rd job not suck so much ass anymore.
4th job Night Lords still play the EXACT same way, except on mobs, they use that exploding thing/band of thieves thing instead of avenger.
It's nowhere near as drastic as the bucc/sair changes.

I guess I'm the odd one out for liking Avenger, then... its range does kinda suck for PvP but in training it's perfectly good, and Expert Throwing gives it pretty good damage too.

Whatever though, it's not like I'll be able to afford skillbooks regardless what they do, unless thief revamp includes bringing back real mastery books dropping.

Every class is getting an ultimate

One of the overpowered ones (COUGHCOUCGHMERCEDES) doesn't have one.

Anyway, doesn't even look like you would need a claw!

I guess I'm the odd one out for liking Avenger, then... its range does kinda suck for PvP but in training it's perfectly good, and Expert Throwing gives it pretty good damage too.

Whatever though, it's not like I'll be able to afford skillbooks regardless what they do, unless thief revamp includes bringing back real mastery books dropping.

Your not the only one. I like it too. they should of just buffed it or when it hit the last it was capable of hitting in a straight light it exploded into three stars and did 1/3 the damage of each avenger(one real; one shadowed)

-nope-

[video=youtube;9wGx8txJA6c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wGx8txJA6c&feature=feedu[/video]

It's a NL alright.

Nope, it's from KMS not KMST. And that is an old video. Drain doesn't exist anymore in the current KMST 1.2.409.
And that guy was using Triple Throw, not Quad Throw.

I guess I'm the odd one out for liking Avenger, then... its range does kinda suck for PvP but in training it's perfectly good, and Expert Throwing gives it pretty good damage too.

Whatever though, it's not like I'll be able to afford skillbooks regardless what they do, unless thief revamp includes bringing back real mastery books dropping.

The main problem that avenger had was not being able to hit both sides... However, that got fixed with that wind thing plus flash jump... Just in time to make that combo obsolete :p

At least it works with the exploding stars at earlier levels.

Nope, it's from KMS not KMST. And that is an old video. Drain doesn't exist anymore in the current KMST 1.2.409.
And that guy was using Triple Throw, not Quad Throw.

Wow fail>.>

the vid owner just changed the title. yup not kmst.

When Nexon said they would change everything except the class name, they really meant it.

I think the main thing that really sets me off is that the animations and skills really just don't suit the concept of Ninja to me, if that makes sense. All the skills are extremely flashy and gaudy, it looks like they are hacking, and it's just a plain eye sore in my opinnion. NLs before this weren't very flashy, but in all honesty do really think a "ninja assassin" would want to be so loud about his moves? Not saying that maple story takes ANY kind of logic into consideration, but compared to the old NLs it's just disappointing. They could have done a lot more regarding stars and claws, it seems you'll never even need to touch so much as one stack of stars from level 30 to 120 and even that might be an overstatement.

that the animations and skills really just don't suit the concept of Ninja to me, if that makes sense. All the skills are extremely flashy and gaudy, it looks like they are hacking, and it's just a plain eye sore in my opinnion. NLs before this weren't very flashy, but in all honesty do really think a "ninja assassin" would want to be so loud about his moves?

BELIEVE IT!

I guess I'm the odd one out for liking Avenger, then... its range does kinda suck for PvP but in training it's perfectly good, and Expert Throwing gives it pretty good damage too.

Whatever though, it's not like I'll be able to afford skillbooks regardless what they do, unless thief revamp includes bringing back real mastery books dropping.

Personally, I would've been fine with Nexon going the copy & paste way by keeping Avenger and having an Ultimate/Advanced Avenger in 4th job like the way they did with BM's. It would increase Avenger from a mid-range mobber to a long-range mobber with extra damage and maybe some DoT/chance of status effects.

Are you sure you're watching the same video?
Guy is clearly using throwing stars. Pay attention 'round 1:30.

And I'll hold judgement until I am able to try it in action.