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2011-11-25, 11:15 PM
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Stonewall's voice commentary about the upcoming jungling changes.
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Quote:I actually don't like it very much. They upped the dynamics of it sure but they oversimplified it and made ganking a lot less necessary for a jungler. Sure it's still nice but following a respawn pattern works too well for the first 7 levels to give that up.
Some of the stars of the new jungle -
Irelia
Master Yi
Malphite
Cho Gath
Jarvan
Nocturne
Lee Sin
He doesn't like it at all. Doesn't sound good. Also, a tester said to him that he didn't like the jungle revamp and wanted the old jungle back.
For me, I'll wait until the next patch to see how good (or bad) the new jungle is. I jungle quite often, and I can tell easily if I don't like the features of the new jungle.
About Jungle Cho: I had commented about him possibly being a bit better after the jungle revamp (and Stonewall had said the same thing too). Why is he possibly better after the changes?
To start off with, Jungle Cho has massive sustain during early jungling. Every time he kills an enemy unit, he regenerates quite a bit of health. In terms of early game jungling, he heals up to 5-7% of his health every time he kills a jungle creep during this game period (though for obvious reasons, this massive sustain decreases dramatically as he levels up, but by the time Cho has a good levels under his belt, his passive now changes to giving him continuous sustain, as if he had a laning presence. And by this time, he clears jungle camps relatively fast, which translates to good sustain)
Now lets talk about the sigil monsters. We don't know how much heal they give when they get slaughtered, but if they give an nice amount, Cho's going to be a pretty damn good jungler after next patch. Lots of sustain, simply put.
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WillDaSnail Wrote:tl;dr - the "green buff" will heal junglers once the monster holding it is taken out. This might help junglers that don't have lots of sustain in the first place get an immediate lifeline of some sorts.
Finish blue on eve with around 3x hp
Do wolves
Get all my health back
Go gank mid
VIABLE AGAIN?!
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Eddikins Wrote:Finish blue on eve with around 3x hp
Do wolves
Get all my health back
Go gank mid
VIABLE AGAIN?!
She was never NOT viable?
Doublelift has been owning up ranked with Twitch as of late, on a Smurf account, and people say Twitch is just as bad as Eve.
Also, jungle remake casualizes all the things! But I'm not complaining, because now I can actually try my hand at the blasted thing.
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The new jungle is going to be... bleh imo. Sure the camps spawning faster is nice, but counter jungling is pretty pointless now. And making them easier to kill? Hell after you get to level 3/4 everything takes not even 5 secs to kill except for red and blue atm.. soooo not much point in helping that first few minutes of the game. Going to take a lot more strategy away from jungling then they're adding in.
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Nalek Wrote:The new jungle is going to be... bleh imo. Sure the camps spawning faster is nice, but counter jungling is pretty pointless now. And making them easier to kill? Hell after you get to level 3/4 everything takes not even 5 secs to kill except for red and blue atm.. soooo not much point in helping that first few minutes of the game. Going to take a lot more strategy away from jungling then they're adding in.
Counter-jungling's actually going to be stronger.
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WillDaSnail Wrote:Counter-jungling's actually going to be stronger.  Kill sigil monster> Run away.
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I'm personally going to love it since I suck at jungling and want everything spoonfed to me  .
Hovering in the high 1200 and low 1300 elo. Never again am I going to support tank bot. There's too little farm to tank properly.
GAH I WANT MAH BLITZCRANK.
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Nalek Wrote:The new jungle is going to be... bleh imo. Sure the camps spawning faster is nice, but counter jungling is pretty pointless now. And making them easier to kill? Hell after you get to level 3/4 everything takes not even 5 secs to kill except for red and blue atm.. soooo not much point in helping that first few minutes of the game. Going to take a lot more strategy away from jungling then they're adding in.
It's going to be stronger because now mobs have different values so you take the biggest one and leave one so their jungle doesn't respawn.
@above, I've never had trouble with leona doing that, but I do get philo and HoG plus she has 70 armor/mr shield.
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Casuals, Casuals everywhere!
Ruining the things we love because they are to fucking lazy to improve themselves.
First it was with videogames, now my jungle, whats next? Sex?
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tryn mid OP!! xD
![[Image: loltryn.png]](http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/235/loltryn.png)
i've restarted playing bot games lately since i find myself unable to control the rage playing solo queue
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Corn Wrote:I wonder what happened to Jax.
Meaning...? I don't think they tossed out dodge just yet. For now, he got an indirect buff with the minion damage nerf.
madanthony Wrote:Kill sigil monster> Run away.
It's too soon to say whether that's the optimum strategy. The rest of the camp is a joke compared to the buff monster anyways, and you wouldn't be putting the other guy too far behind when you compare the travel that you had to do in the first place.
FenixR Wrote:Casuals, Casuals everywhere!
Ruining the things we love because they are to pineappleing lazy to improve themselves.
First it was with videogames, now my jungle, whats next? Sex? [NOPARSE] [/NOPARSE]
Did you forget that Riot Games is a business, and the objective of businesses is to make money?
LoL is hella casual compared to DotA and its offspring. I could go into an essay why it is that casuals will always dominate the earth, but for now you can just accept it as a fact of life.
wobbufet Wrote:tryn mid OP!! xD
[NOPARSE] [/NOPARSE]
i've restarted playing bot games lately since i find myself unable to control the rage playing solo queue
I can roflstomp mid in bot games with virtually anyone, anytime. It's not really so much of an achievement than it is a testament to your ability to exploit the AI. It might become harder after the minion damage nerf, but it's still very much possible.
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KajitiSouls Wrote:Did you forget that Riot Games is a business, and the objective of businesses is to make money?
LoL is hella casual compared to DotA and its offspring. I could go into an essay why it is that casuals will always dominate the earth, but for now you can just accept it as a fact of life.
I've accepted it long ago. Blizz has gone the same way with WoW, but they at least still give the hardcore a run for their money.
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wobbufet Wrote:tryn mid OP!! xD
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i've restarted playing bot games lately since i find myself unable to control the rage playing solo queue
Not to put things harshly, but anyone with half a brain can stomp Co-Op vs AI games.
Ragers and whatnot won't go away anytime. Learn to deal with them instead of avoiding them like the plague (aka, don't get caught up in the ragefest. >_>). Also, you will not get better by playing Co-Op vs AI, simply put.
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WillDaSnail Wrote:Not to put things harshly, but anyone with half a brain can stomp Co-Op vs AI games.
Ragers and whatnot won't go away anytime. Learn to deal with them instead of avoiding them like the plague (aka, don't get caught up in the ragefest. >_>). Also, you will not get better by playing Co-Op vs AI, simply put.
As Aynia says,
CARRY HARDER.
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I accepted that fact several years ago, but that doesnt mean i cant complain about it ;D
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if a game makes me so mad almost everytime i play because people are immense retards i'd rather go roflstomp bots all day and have fun while not achieving anything than keep going through the giant rage inducing shitfest called solo queue
^ not sure if that sentence makes sense. either way i don't have that much spare time and i'd rather not spend it on a game that might leave me so mad that i feel even more stressed than i did before playing
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wobbufet Wrote:if a game makes me so mad almost everytime i play because people are immense retards i'd rather go roflstomp bots all day and have fun while not achieving anything than keep going through the giant rage inducing shitfest called solo queue
^ not sure if that sentence makes sense. either way i don't have that much spare time and i'd rather not spend it on a game that might leave me so mad that i feel even more stressed than i did before playing
Heh heh. You make all of us feel like addicted elitists now =P.
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you are, but i don't see what's wrong with that
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wobbufet Wrote:if a game makes me so mad almost everytime i play because people are immense retards i'd rather go roflstomp bots all day and have fun while not achieving anything than keep going through the giant rage inducing pomegranatefest called solo queue
^ not sure if that sentence makes sense. either way i don't have that much spare time and i'd rather not spend it on a game that might leave me so mad that i feel even more stressed than i did before playing
Wut?
I think your intarwabz sarcasm detector its broken brosky.
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wobbufet Wrote:you are, but i don't see what's wrong with that
Something's wrong if you're not playing a game for fun  .
Just played TF2 for a bit. Man, that was great.
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