Naruto Thread (Spoilers For Sure)

The 3rd Raikage, Real Madara and hashirama are in a top level to me.

Then comes another level with Minato, Tobi-Madara, Orochimaru, Jiraiya, Nagato,

The reason I put 3rd Raikage so high is because he's been described as such a beast when he was alive. The strongest shield, the sharpest sword and the only one with as much Chakra as a Bijuu naturally. About Hashirama, I find it a pity that Kishimoto introduced him so early to the show, with that battle against the 3rd hokage. That turned into Hashirama looking way weaker than the titan that he is said to have been.

This makes me thing of something. Maybe the Edo Tensei jutsu has its limitations when it comes to people with such high levels, turning into their zombie bodies not being as strong as their original bodies were. That would explain Hashirama, the 3rd Rikage losing to Naruto, and would predict that zombie Madara isn't as strong as his past version and could lose too.

Don't bring up Jiraiya I'm still not ever his death

This makes me thing of something. Maybe the Edo Tensei jutsu has its limitations when it comes to people with such high levels, turning into their zombie bodies not being as strong as their original bodies were. That would explain Hashirama, the 3rd Rikage losing to Naruto, and would predict that zombie Madara isn't as strong as his past version and could lose too.

I disagree. I think Madara is actually stronger now that he has been resurrected than he was before. Kabuto made some changes to his body and he seems to now have full control over the rinnegan and the senju-cells.

Anyways, I couldn't really say who could win in those fights because we haven't seen them fight each other and judging by what I've seen in this manga, crazy things tend to occur when people are in desperate situations. Plus everyone's jutsu works a different way on different opponents.

I'd say Madara, 3rd Raikage (was it the 3rd that was the strongest shield/sword?), and Minato are in my top tier. I haven't seen enough of Hashirama to decide where he goes, although we have heard he was very strong. Next I'd say comes Itachi and Pain + 6 paths.

I don't think Minato was at ridiculously OP as he's made out to be. He was really smart and talented, but he wasn't the monster some of these people are. Like, Jiraiya, Orochimaru, 3rd Raikage Madara, Hashirama, all of them had strong abilities and pomegranate that made them so strong.

Minato is the only shinobi we know of that had a run on sight warning.
RUN ON SIGHT.
He was an extremely strong shinobi and his speed wasn't rivaled by anyone and he was super intelligent too.

He is the only person so far that hurt tobi badly without focusing on him(not counting konan, she had it pre-planned and knew him and still he survived), he was attempting to save the village, he could most likely have killed tobi right there if the fight had continued.

Eh. I'll just say http://www.mangareader.net/93-149-9/naru...r-144.html

That translation pineappleing sucks but they were reluctant to fight jiraiya and I remember itachi saying they would at least injury each other badly if they don't kill themselves WITH itachi and kisame v. Jiraiya.

1)the offical translation has kisame suggesting that itachi could have taken jiriya.
2) Why would Itachi have fought Jiriya when he didn't have to? He obviously wouldn't have wanted to take out one of the strongest allies the leaf had when basically everything he ever did was to protect the leaf village or sasuke.

I really agree with Byakugan.

Top tier: Real Madara (not his edo tensei form, of course that one is stronger since he throws meteors on himself and suicides and revives and has hashirama cells), Hashirama, and 3rd Raikage are just fucking monstrous level.

2nd tier: Nagato (with his legs + Rinnegan pro-ness OR if you consider the 6 paths of Pain), Itachi, Minato, 4th Raikage with both arms in his youth AKA when he fought Minato, Jiraiya

3rd tier: Rest of Akatsuki, Naruto not hacking with Fox mode, Sasuke not hacking with EMS BUT he has, All kages not mentioned, Kakashi, Gai, Bee even with his 8 tails(?), Orochimaru

4th tier: Everyone else who gives a pineapple they're weak

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Loz, the translation I know says:

Kisame: You might be able to fight Jiraiya but he's to good for me. Even if we team up I doubt I could be of help.
Itachi: If we don't end up killing each other then we'd at least injure each other very badly.

Of course if they didn't have to fight/kill him they could lure him away to make it easy, but come on.

The two of them, both fucking MONSTROUS, don't want to fight him, and even when they see him, first thing they do is get the pineapple out of there. (Okay Itachi is a little tired from Kakashi fight, and Tsukiyomi from Sasuke, but come the pineapple on. This at least attests to the strength of Jiraiya.)

Dont think Itachi could beat him with toad elders in sage mode

You left fox Naruto out of your list, OB3LISK...

Dont think Itachi could beat him with toad elders in sage mode

I think if Itachi really used his Mangyokeo to it's fullest then the matchup is pretty fair.

Especially considering his normal genjutsu might even beat Jiraiya, MIGHT. Because Jiraiya is weak to Genjutsu.

And Ray, I don't think we know a lot about Fox Naruto because so far, that pomegranate is OP as pineapple. His clones are stronger than most people. I'd HAVE to place that on an S tier:

S-tier: People who have extra extra abnormal abilities that shouldn't count too much because it's extra compared to what they would normally be able to do.

S-tier: Fox Naruto, Madara with Hashirama Cells while being in an Edo Tensei, Sage of Six Paths I guess.

Just to relate levels, Sasuke with EMS should be around 2nd to top tier depending on his plot armor only, so Naruto has a clearcut advantage.

You people are overestimating the third Raikage by a ton. Itachi could do a simple genjutsu with him stabbing himself with his ultimate sword, or seal him with the sword of totsuka. Minato could simply S/T barrier his arm back to him (well I don't know if that works but technically it should). Sasori could surprise him with poison. Battles like these depend on knowledge, matchup and location. And you can't simply use A>B>C logic. Water beats fire, fire beats wind, so water must beat wind, right? NO! The same goes for the various unique fighting styles naruto shinobi utilitze and should thus be considered. Also the general opinion on that one panel is that Itachi simply wanted to protect Konoha/Sasuke and thus lied to Kisame about Jiraiya's strength so they would back off.

Oh please sasori coudn't even take out sakura and that senior citizen.

You people are overestimating the third Raikage by a ton. Itachi could do a simple genjutsu with him stabbing himself with his ultimate sword, or seal him with the sword of totsuka. Minato could simply S/T barrier his arm back to him (well I don't know if that works but technically it should). Sasori could surprise him with poison. Battles like these depend on knowledge, matchup and location. And you can't simply use A>B>C logic. Water beats fire, fire beats wind, so water must beat wind, right? NO! The same goes for the various unique fighting styles naruto shinobi utilitze and should thus be considered. Also the general opinion on that one panel is that Itachi simply wanted to protect Konoha/Sasuke and thus lied to Kisame about Jiraiya's strength so they would back off.

They underplayed 3rd Raikage by a ton lol. He stopped 10,000 shinobi on his own for 3 straight days?

The manga didn't even pineappleing explain why Naruto beat him well. Naruto beat him because when he uses his single finger lightning hit, his lightning shield defense isn't as strong as it should be, which is why his own attack outclasses his shield and it hit him.

Naruto ONLY beat him because he had connections with Bee/8 tails, and tbh that was glitchy/weird as pineapple, because 3rd Raikage moves at insane speed, insaner speed than 4th Raikage. I'll accept that Naruto is able to get out of the way because of his Sage Mode natural energy sensing pomegranate and letting him know to move, just like how Sasuke's sharingan "prediction" let him move out of 4th Raikages attacks, but for him to move quick enough to push his attack against him so effectively? That's a little farfetched. He should have been able to drop his attack in time to not get hit (the only reason he got hit the first time was because he passed out).

Again, him vs. 10, 000 people for 3 days. 2nd Hokage "distracts" a group of 20 people for probably a few minutes so Danzo and 3rd Hokage could escape. Both Kage level. Pretty clearcut difference.

I'm posting too much in this thread I feel bad. I must be intimidating further discussion lol.

Lol I don't think you are "intimidating further discussion." I think you are just making pretty strong claims that other people are disagreeing with. Everyone has different opinions on who is stronger and by how much. Again, we haven't seen them fight, so we can't say for sure. Either way, Minato is still around #1 kage in my book. Dude is a beast and by transitive property, so is Naruto.

I think if Itachi really used his Mangyokeo to it's fullest then the matchup is pretty fair.

Especially considering his normal genjutsu might even beat Jiraiya, MIGHT. Because Jiraiya is weak to Genjutsu.

And Ray, I don't think we know a lot about Fox Naruto because so far, that pomegranate is OP as pineapple. His clones are stronger than most people. I'd HAVE to place that on an S tier:

S-tier: People who have extra extra abnormal abilities that shouldn't count too much because it's extra compared to what they would normally be able to do.

S-tier: Fox Naruto, Madara with Hashirama Cells while being in an Edo Tensei, Sage of Six Paths I guess.

Just to relate levels, Sasuke with EMS should be around 2nd to top tier depending on his plot armor only, so Naruto has a clearcut advantage.

Really? Dont think genjustu would work well at all on him considering he has the 2 toads. Guess i just remembered wrong information

You people are overestimating the third Raikage by a ton. Itachi could do a simple genjutsu with him stabbing himself with his ultimate sword, or seal him with the sword of totsuka. Minato could simply S/T barrier his arm back to him (well I don't know if that works but technically it should). Sasori could surprise him with poison. Battles like these depend on knowledge, matchup and location. And you can't simply use A>B>C logic. Water beats fire, fire beats wind, so water must beat wind, right? NO! The same goes for the various unique fighting styles naruto shinobi utilitze and should thus be considered. Also the general opinion on that one panel is that Itachi simply wanted to protect Konoha/Sasuke and thus lied to Kisame about Jiraiya's strength so they would back off.

That is why I said probably the Edo Tensei has its limitations when it comes to people on their levels. Madara is an exception because Kabuto focused on creating a special body for him to make him stronger, but I believe Hashirama and 3rd Raikage were weaker in zombie mode because of the technique's limitation. The 3rd Raikage was said to have as much chakra as a Jinchiuriky without a Bijuu, he fought the 8 tails (1 tail away from 9 tails) and beat it (even if he hurt himself), he's said to have been the strongest raikage, he held an army of 10.000 back for 3 days on his own, and whenever his name is mentioned everyone goes like "OMG".

Really? Dont think genjustu would work well at all on him considering he has the 2 toads. Guess i just remembered wrong information

You're right. Genjutsu wouldn't work on Jiraiya because the toads just need to apply a chakra shot on him to snap him out of it (Although it wouldn't be weird if Itachi could cast a Genjutsu on the 3 of them at the same time). A battle between Itachi and Jiraiya would be a hard, one relies on strength and the other one on techniques. If they were the same age, I'd say Itachi would win, but I will give credit to Jiraiya's experience from his age and say he would win.

It's kind of hard to rank people because at this high level everyone has one hit KO moves that should kill an opponent no matter what, and if you look at that match ups are weirder.

Naruto has his wind rasengan.
Jiraiya has any physical punch or kick from sage mode.
Itachi has sword of totsuka (one shot nagato from out of nowhere, imagine going around spamming that lol, maybe that's how he'll end kabuto)
Madara has...I guess meteors count.
3rd raikage has his one finger thing.

If any of those hit anyone, it should be game over.

That is why I said probably the Edo Tensei has its limitations when it comes to people on their levels. Madara is an exception because Kabuto focused on creating a special body for him to make him stronger, but I believe Hashirama and 3rd Raikage were weaker in zombie mode because of the technique's limitation. The 3rd Raikage was said to have as much chakra as a Jinchiuriky without a Bijuu, he fought the 8 tails (1 tail away from 9 tails) and beat it (even if he hurt himself), he's said to have been the strongest raikage, he held an army of 10.000 back for 3 days on his own, and whenever his name is mentioned everyone goes like "OMG".



You're right. Genjutsu wouldn't work on Jiraiya because the toads just need to apply a chakra shot on him to snap him out of it (Although it wouldn't be weird if Itachi could cast a Genjutsu on the 3 of them at the same time). A battle between Itachi and Jiraiya would be a hard, one relies on strength and the other one on techniques. If they were the same age, I'd say Itachi would win, but I will give credit to Jiraiya's experience from his age and say he would win.

Good luck snapping him out of a genjutsu that makes a second 72 hours of torture. Tsukomyni or something would one shot him. And it's very in character for Itachi to use the opponents attack against them. See Deidara and itachi's first meeting. Also Susano' would provide an adequate protection against the raikage's speed and Minato has the speed to keep up. Not to mention that Itachi and Minato are one of the few most intelligent characters in the manga. Also you people use hype as basis of strenght. Sarutobi was supposedly the best shinobi in the world, but I really doubt he'd stand much of a chance against Madara or Hashirama. Only thing that's credible is feats that are displayed.

I don't really like to talk about theoretical matchups, especially not when they involve itachi, since the only time we've ever seen him in any sort of extended battle, he was trying to lose, and even then he still basically won. I'm starting to wonder if he has any techniques that aren't designed to oneshot his opponents. Doesn't help that we haven't seen any serious way to defeat tsukiyomi without an internal second chakra source (which at this point is almost completely limited to the 8 or 9 tails or maybe a cursed seal if anyone has one of them still floating around.) Maybe Kabuto could do the same trick with orochimarus chakra, which would explain why he's so confident that he doesn't need to worry about telling madara how to dispell edo tensei.

LF> Itachi to pineapple Kabuto up so we can end the Edo Tensi and get to the main core battles of this arc. Crazy pomegranate is on the horizon.

Not gonna happen. If edo tense ends now madara AND the six paths of pain will all end and there will only be tobi left.

But...I wonder. It'd be cool if the six paths were brought back like how nagato did it. Although since kabuto was shown to already summon them it would be a plothole for them to not be edo's.

Someone check back to see if they have the earring and mark things all over their body.