Teacher Salaries

Interesting red herring. Regardless of the bad teachers (there is always bad apples), teachers should be getting paid more regardless. Why not? I get paid ~$35/hour (37,500원 to be exact) here to teach English privately and I'm a sh`it teacher. I teach English conversation -- essentially I meet with my students and get coffee/dinner and go out and we converse in English. I point out the nuances of English grammar and pronunciation and get paid for that.

If I TAUGHT English, I could expect a lot more. I COULD be asking for $50+/hour (~50,000원 if I taught at the same level as a regular teacher, who has to put in much more time/work and deals with a lot more idiots. I think my pay is reasonable for most teachers.

Education is important beyond description...at least I don't have the patience to properly articulate myself right now, but yeah. I think teachers should be paid like the OP's quote suggests. :o

You might disagree, Kevin, but Im a believer that a good teacher is able to make a bad class do well. Good students will get the grades regardless of who's teaching them. You don't need a good teacher to get them to do well. A good teacher is measured by what they can do with the poorer students in the class and make them excel (to some degree).

I know for a fact that this isn't true because I've seen really good teachers get dragged through pomegranate due to a bad class one period and then be amazing the next. In life, we can only work with what we're provided. Often times there are classes that are just unteachable.

I think that, if one were to try and measure a teacher's value based on the grades they produced, it would have to be done using an average using several different classes. If a high school teacher who typically teaches 6 different groups a year isn't making any progress with any of their classes then yes, that's a reflection on them. But elementary school teachers who have a single class all year long would need to be judged over multiple years just to be certain it wasn't their specific class. But that's a terrible way to do things.

If the school system is concerned about a teacher not getting the expected results then they should send someone in to observe what they're doing for a while. If a teacher is truly ineffective and incapable of change then they probably shouldn't be teaching--they shouldn't just have their pay docked and left to continue their ineffective ways on our youth. I'm not saying they should be removed forever or anything, but perhaps there should be some sort of TEACHER BOOT CAMP (but not awful) that teachers who've been laid off because of ineffective methods can opt to go to, to learn alternative teaching methods so that they can continue teaching if it's a job that they really care about. And of course, knowing all of this is in place would be incentive for teachers to try their hardest. I think a universal pay raise would be correspond with such a new system being put in place.

Also, the real problem with being a teacher these days is PARENTS. Back when our parents were kids, if they did something wrong and their mother got called into the school then you'd be sorry. Their mother wouldn't believe a damn word that came out of their filthy lying mouths and the teacher was always right. Now, if a kid does something wrong and a teacher calls the parent into the school, the kid and parent end up ganging up on the teacher and questioning what s/he was doing and then they bring it to the principal and create a huge mess out of something that should be simple. Because every parent now believes their perfect child is incapable of doing wrong. Teachers can hardly be effective in that kind of environment.

I know for a fact that this isn't true because I've seen really good teachers get dragged through pomegranate due to a bad class one period and then be amazing the next. In life, we can only work with what we're provided. Often times there are classes that are just unteachable.

I think that, if one were to try and measure a teacher's value based on the grades they produced, it would have to be done using an average using several different classes. If a high school teacher who typically teaches 6 different groups a year isn't making any progress with any of their classes then yes, that's a reflection on them. But elementary school teachers who have a single class all year long would need to be judged over multiple years just to be certain it wasn't their specific class. But that's a terrible way to do things. Some people just dont learn certain ways, or they're simply used to learning another way. With some exceptions, most kids aren't stupid. They're just not given the proper chance or structure to learn. If you catered to them in a way they're used to understanding, then their grades/performance will improve significantly.

If the school system is concerned about a teacher not getting the expected results then they should send someone in to observe what they're doing for a while. If a teacher is truly ineffective and incapable of change then they probably shouldn't be teaching--they shouldn't just have their pay docked and left to continue their ineffective ways on our youth. I'm not saying they should be removed forever or anything, but perhaps there should be some sort of TEACHER BOOT CAMP (but not awful) that teachers who've been laid off because of ineffective methods can opt to go to, to learn alternative teaching methods so that they can continue teaching if it's a job that they really care about. And of course, knowing all of this is in place would be incentive for teachers to try their hardest. I think a universal pay raise would be correspond with such a new system being put in place.

Also, the real problem with being a teacher these days is PARENTS. Back when our parents were kids, if they did something wrong and their mother got called into the school then you'd be sorry. Their mother wouldn't believe a damn word that came out of their filthy lying mouths and the teacher was always right. Now, if a kid does something wrong and a teacher calls the parent into the school, the kid and parent end up ganging up on the teacher and questioning what s/he was doing and then they bring it to the principal and create a huge mess out of something that should be simple. Because every parent now believes their perfect child is incapable of doing wrong. Teachers can hardly be effective in that kind of environment.

I agree to a certain extent. Some classes are impossible to handle because of the ATTITUDE of the kids, not the ABILITY. When I say poorer, I'm referring to their ability to grasp information. There are kids who try their hardest and just can't understand or get it if their life depended on it. Good teachers are able to work with these kids and find a way for them to understand.

As for "delinquent" or uncooperative kids, I believe the reason they cause trouble is because they're bored or uninterested in learning. If you could make what you're teaching them matter to them, they can work as hard as any other student. It's not like they're uncooperative and uncaring in every aspect of life. There has to be SOMETHING they care about, and why do they care about it? because they find it interesting. because they find it worth their time. If you can somehow make school worth their time, then they'd participate.

That being said, I understand how a lot of that is from a very naive point of view. It shouldn't be the teacher's responsibility to deal with that crap (and yes, I agree that in part, a big problem these days comes from horrid parenting). However, I've seen instances where teachers have gone over the top and gotten these uncooperative kids to work hard and produce results. You're right: we can only work with what we're provided, but at times, we're provided more than we think. Teachers can either let it get them down, and give up, or they can work harder, and turn them around. If the teacher is willing to go through the effort to turn these kids around, why shouldn't they be paid more?

I would say that teachers being paid so little makes them bad since they need to do some other stuff in order to maintain a family or they have a crapton of students/classes and checking a single test can take them a day which could be said that is unpaid since is on their free time, so raising their paid only brings good things, people that actually are good at teaching and love to but don't do it since the paid is bad would teach and more people could be dragged to it removing those 30+ classes.