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Somewhat related question: Does Frozen Heart's passive stack with Glacial Shroud's passive? Does Archangel's Staff's passive stack with Tear of the Goddess' passive? I've been assuming no but is that true?

Good question on the first one. Traditional wisdom would say yes, but I don't know.

The mana bank system is a UNIQUE passive that cannot be stacked by either of the three items. So for example, you buy an Archangel Staff and cap on the mana bonus. That's 1400 extra mana. If you buy another AA, you'll only get 400 mana as expected. However, if you buy a Manamune, you'd only get an extra 350 mana.

As long as you keep one of them in your inventory, you'll retain the mana bonus. However, if don't have any of them in your inventory, you lose your mana bonus and you must start from scratch if you want it back.


Related: item-based on-next-attack bonus damage is UNIQUE and cannot be stacked by Sheen, Trinity Force, or Lich Bane. I think what happens instead if you have two or three of these items is that only the first item procs; literally whichever item is listed first in your inventory.

Related: item-based on-next-attack bonus damage is UNIQUE and cannot be stacked by Sheen, Trinity Force, or Lich Bane. I think what happens instead if you have two of three of these items is that only the first item procs, literally whichever item is listed first in your inventory.

But since these items have a 2sec CD between each proc, its posible (In theory) to use 2 of these if you have enough ASP and Abilities that can spammed under 1seg/2 or more abilities out of CD.

But since these items have a 2sec CD between each proc, its posible to use 2 of these if you have enough ASP and Abilities that can spammed under 1seg/2 or more abilities out of CD.

Incorrect.

Priority unless changed since swain has been released is this

Lich > Trinity > Sheen

Incorrect.

Priority unless changed since swain has been released is this

Lich > Trinity > Sheen

And this have to do with what i said how? Maybe you meant to quote kajiti?

Tear of the Goddess
Sorcerer Boots
Frozen Heart

Let's say you turn the tear into an AA, build RoA and Randuins, what item would you get sixth? Funny how I'm able to answer my own question after thinking it through all the way, more damage would be either another RoA or a Void Staff, more tankyness would be Thornmail or a Will of the Ancients for spellvamp + aura. Bad shouri, dont ever stack frozen hearts again! xd


So about those passives, any other passives that definitely don't stack apart from the tear/AA/manamune and the sheen/trinity/lich bane?

And this have to do with what i said how? Maybe you meant to quote kajiti?

You can't use more than 1. They are unique and do not stack. If you happen to have all 3, priority is lich > trinity > sheen.

Tear of the Goddess
Sorcerer Boots
Frozen Heart

Let's say you turn the tear into an AA, build RoA and Randuins, what item would you get sixth? Funny how I'm able to answer my own question after thinking it through all the way, more damage would be either another RoA or a Void Staff, more tankyness would be Thornmail or a Will of the Ancients for spellvamp + aura. Bad shouri, dont ever stack frozen hearts again! xd


So about those passives, any other passives that definitely don't stack apart from the tear/AA/manamune and the sheen/trinity/lich bane?

RoA is not a good choice unless first item.

Void staff is a situational but generally good buy. The magic pen is good against MR.

WoA is also a good idea.

Randuins + FH is more than enough armor. You might want to consider a FoN. Thornmail is generally a bad item.

RoA is not a good choice unless first item.

Not even for Ryze? Considering the mana, health and AP are all useful? It's the second highest mana item in the game after a charged tear.

Randuins + FH is more than enough armor. You might want to consider a FoN. Thornmail is generally a bad item.

Normally I'd agree but in the specific case of a full AD opponent team I'd still consider it.

Not even for Ryze? Considering the mana, health and AP are all useful? It's the second highest mana item in the game after a charged tear.

Normally I'd agree but in the specific case of a full AD opponent team I'd still consider it.

It takes 10 minutes to become fully charged. If you're not getting it early, don't get it at all.

You'd probably get more effective HP out of a warmogs tbh.

It takes 10 minutes to become fully charged. If you're not getting it early, don't get it at all.

You'd probably get more effective HP out of a warmogs tbh.

The HP is not the point, the mana and AP for damage are. HP just makes for extremely nice extra survivability since you have so much armor.

Since you already have AA, RoA would add 525 mana + 75 AP with 0 stacks. That makes 57 Q damage, 71 W damage and 26 E damage extra. (all numbers rounded down since I have no idea how that works in LoL.) That seems like quite a big increase to me, especially if you consider how spammable Q is.

You can't use more than 1. They are unique and do not stack. If you happen to have all 3, priority is lich > trinity > sheen.

Unless you mean that Lich happens to be on CD and you try to use a skill during that CD and you wont get the proc effect because the lich is in CD then it has nothing to do with what i said.

My logic is, You have both a sheen and a trinity force and ASP to give you 1 attack per sec:

1sec 2sec 3sec 4sec 5sec
Use a skill and got the Trinity Proc / Used the Proc and Trinity enter CD / Use a skill and get Sheen Proc / Used the proc and sheen enters in CD / Repeat

Unless you mean that Lich happens to be on CD and you try to use a skill during that CD and you wont get the proc effect because the lich is in CD then it has nothing to do with what i said.

My logic is, You have both a sheen and a trinity force and ASP to give you 1 attack per sec:

1sec 2sec 3sec 4sec 5sec
Use a skill and got the Trinity Proc / Used the Proc and Trinity enter CD / Use a skill and get Sheen Proc / Used the proc and sheen enters in CD / Repeat

Doesn't work. All pull from the same pool for procs, lich gets priority over the other two. Shouldn't be so hard to understand, it clearly states in game that trinity does not stack with sheen or lich. Logically should work both ways. And it indeed does.

The HP is not the point, the mana and AP for damage are. HP just makes for extremely nice extra survivability since you have so much armor.

Since you already have AA, RoA would add 525 mana + 75 AP with 0 stacks. That makes 57 Q damage, 71 W damage and 26 E damage extra. (all numbers rounded down since I have no idea how that works in LoL.) That seems like quite a big increase to me, especially if you consider how spammable Q is.

You're forgetting it's 3.1k gold, a huge investment for just offensive stats when you could be building other items that give both offense and defense (LIVE LONGER, DO MORE DAMAGE)

But since these items have a 2sec CD between each proc, its posible (In theory) to use 2 of these if you have enough ASP and Abilities that can spammed under 1seg/2 or more abilities out of CD.

I know Aynia already said you're wrong, but I'd also like to say that it doesn't work the way you think it does.

Please try testing these things in customs. It helps to know these things in advanced before you actually try it against human opponents.

I realize my attitude wasn't the best, but he was really getting under my skin, not to mention I was having a bad day. Either way Quadra kill Fiddlesticks: http://localhostr.com/file/gbINzTX/Quadr...20Game.lrf

I actually have never used something like that, nor i plan on doing it. Im just theorycrafting with that.

I actually have never used something like that, nor i plan on doing it. Im just theorycrafting with that.

So in other words, you don't realize how fking OP it would be if you could do something like that.

*coughSkarnersssscough*

So in other words, you don't realize how fking OP it would be if you could do something like that.

*coughSkarnersssscough*

Basically every low cooldown champion with AP ratios could be turned into a god tier hyper carry with nearly unstoppable damage and damage from both sides of the spectrum.

So in other words, you don't realize how fking OP it would be if you could do something like that.

*coughSkarnersssscough*

I do know how Op that would be, but i also know that i have no Low CD champ that could abuse that well, so no reason for me to even try if its posible.

I do know how Op that would be, but i also know that i have no Low CD champ that could abuse that well, so no reason for me to even try if its posible.

Skarner, Evelynn, Vladimir, Akali, Poppy, Cokri, Karthus...

Skarner, Evelynn, Vladimir, Akali, Poppy, Cokri, Karthus...

None i have.

Tear of the Goddess
Sorcerer Boots
Frozen Heart

Let's say you turn the tear into an AA, build RoA and Randuins, what item would you get sixth? Funny how I'm able to answer my own question after thinking it through all the way, more damage would be either another RoA or a Void Staff, more tankyness would be Thornmail or a Will of the Ancients for spellvamp + aura. Bad shouri, dont ever stack frozen hearts again! xd


So about those passives, any other passives that definitely don't stack apart from the tear/AA/manamune and the sheen/trinity/lich bane?

I dislike getting the RoA late on Ryze (just theorycrafting, don't actually have him) because not only does it provide semi-useless AP it takes quite a while to charge.

Items you didn't say yet, in order of usefulness in late game

-BANSHEE'S VEILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL <<<totally need that
-Force of Nature
-Thornmail (obviously only against heavy AD, in shouri's case)
-Sunfire Cape
-Guardian Angel
-Quicksilver Sash
-Elesia's Miracle or Moonflair Spellblade
-Aegis