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Monks are tanks healers and melee DPS? Wonder they use. If they use cloth or plate, game is unbalanced hard.

Leather.
Leather AGI for Tank + DPS purposes
Leather INT for Healer purposes.

Pretty much Druids and Rogues aren't the only ones now, which was much needed.

So I hear the new talent system is fking insane. Mutilate n combat rogues can grab shadowstep. Subtlety can nab killing spree

Don't know how deep that will go but I STILL WANT PRO PVP Russell can you just come carry me please?

I'm pretty sure my recklessness battle group is gay.

Y u no want an expansion with no super final villian, Russell?!

Panderans + Monks. Maaaan now I got another tank hybrid class to take up. I can only wonder how their tanking tree will work. And MFW I decided to buy a 60-day game card from Gamestop on the off-chance I wanna try WoW again, only to see the annual pass.

So I hear the new talent system is fking insane. Mutilate n combat rogues can grab shadowstep. Subtlety can nab killing spree

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2517...tems-Panel
Scroll down to the Rogue panel.
They pretty much ripped Sub apart and added their main core skills to the level trees.
I told my rogue guildies that PvE is rather obvious, but PvP is a real tough one.
I already called it that we'll have two top DPS specs. One with KSpree for multi-target fights, and one with Vendetta for single target fights.

Well, in theory it's a huge nerf for sub but a huge buff for combat/muti. Muti with shadowstep would be pretty intense, but blizzard adding it onto the same line as prep .... I hope that doesn't stay.

This is just the first draft of the first look of the first theory of the first guess of what things will look like at first. Things changed a ton from cata beta -> release so I'm not really worried.

Guild just 1-shot H-Baleroc on 10m. 6/7H 10m, 5/7H 25m.

Damn they do both 10 and 25m?

I might suggest to my 25m guild that raids 2 days to try 10 HM Rag on extra days for the members who can, but idk if they'd get offended. Right now rest of Tues + all of Wednesday is for HM Rag and at end of Wed they kill normal Rag.

Damn they do both 10 and 25m?

I might suggest to my 25m guild that raids 2 days to try 10 HM Rag on extra days for the members who can, but idk if they'd get offended. Right now rest of Tues + all of Wednesday is for HM Rag and at end of Wed they kill normal Rag.

25m core raid on Tues/Wed/Sun
10m Alt raids Fri/Sat, sometimes Sun if people don't show for 25m.

Also, I totally forgot about the Live Raid earlier today. Hopefully it'll be up on YT eventually.

Balancing PvE and PvP healing is kind of a big challenge. Its something we talk about all the time, I dont think we have solved the problem yet and its something we are still working on. We've seen a lot of dual caster comps in the blizzcon tournament and we've buffed Mortal Strike and healing reduction in 4.3 and hopefully you'll be able to bring back warriors and rogues in PvP.

LOLOLOLOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! MORE BUFFS PLEASE THANKS

Dude rogues are already strong in PVP, I was like wtp when I saw that.

PVP master, you're right. For some reason I was under the delusion that 5s would be like an rbg or 10m raid group: get solid people, get a great composition, have a cc/kill plan and sit back and win.

Maybe it is like that, but god. Laden kept bitching about "jungyup I'll suck your plantain omggg" so I checked out those PVP videos from blizz on, and holy pomegranate. I wanna be good like that master.

That Mage kept stop casting and didn't attack a lot, he just ran around and stuff. Am I supposed to do that?

Dude rogues are already strong in PVP, I was like wtp when I saw that.

Rogues have ALWAYS been on the lowest end of PvP representation. I think we were only at the top during TBC, but after that...bottom 3 forever.

A good Rogue tears me the pineapple up man, jumping behind me and slowing and disorienting me and stunning/silencing me. It's the worst thing ever. Rogues look more OP than frost mages, at least against casters..

A good Rogue tears me the pineapple up man, jumping behind me and slowing and disorienting me and stunning/silencing me. It's the worst thing ever. Rogues look more OP than frost mages, at least against casters..

1v1 isn't balanced, I'm talking about 3s, which is what PvP is balanced around.

In that case frost mages are balanced too! They're balanced around novas being dispelt.

I can't find good partners. Give me an MLS team and I'll get to 2.2k

Dat proc bonus

Your melee attacks have a chance to grant Shadows of the Destroyer, increasing your Agility by 17, stacking up to 50 times. Once you have acquired 30 stacks of Shadows of the Destoyer, each stack gained grants an increasing chance to trigger Fury of the Destroyer and cancel all stacks of Shadows of the Destroyer. Fury of the Destroyer immediately grants 5 combo points and causes your finishing moves to grant 5 combo points. Lasts 6 sec.

Also, Dragon Soul raid gear will be iLvl 384 for Normal and iLvl 410 for Heroic.

Finally, Guild downed Heroic Baleroc 25 tonight, effectively putting them 6/7H in 10m AND 25m. Let the endless Heroic Rag wipes commence!

Did my first raid with my new guild tonight. 1 shot every boss (except for alysrazor) on heroic and cleared the entire place in under 3 hours.

AWESOME XD !!!

That proc is crap btw. Rogue finishers aren't even strong. If it increased backstab, muti, and sinister strike damage then it would be good.

Edit - see I told you the proc sucked

I have tested those stage 1 daggers for several hours.
And the Suffering buff seems to have different proc chance at three talents.
That is Sub(~23%) > Muti(~18%) > Combat(<<10%).

Found here: http://elitistjerks.com/f78/t126333-4_3_...ost2032254

Earlier in the thread is a link to a WWS showing it takes over 3 minutes to get a stack of 50.

Also keep in mind the the buff has to re-stack after the main proc happens.

That proc is crap btw. Rogue finishers aren't even strong. If it increased backstab, muti, and sinister strike damage then it would be good.

Edit - see I told you the proc sucked

Did you even read the posts? They're talking about the FIRST proc, the one that gives +2 AGI, since that's the only one we have access to on the PTR.
I don't mind the theorycrafting, but stop assuming these are finalized when they JUST hit the PTR hours ago.

Beta is BETA

Well hopefully it isn't that long when everything is said and done because yah.... that wouldn't be very legendary

Stop talking about useless stuff that has nothing to do with me.

I need my PVP Master now.

RUSSELLLLL. Ladon is telling me rank 1-10 RBG is worse than rank 25-30 Gladiator in a battlegroup. I know that Glad requires more hard pressed PVP skills but still, being a rank 1 RBGer isn't THAT easy that it gets shrugged off right? I'm talking like, so good at RBG that if Blizz invited 2 RBG teams to Blizzcon, yours would be one of them. That good. That's worse than 25th place in battlegroup Glad 3s.

What do you think.