A response to the hackings.

There was a 10k MP "this-is-not-a-compensation-but-we're-still-looking-into-your-case-and-spamming-your-email" compensation sometime early '10 for the '09 hackings. Yeah, I got a lot of spam.

The reverse/timeless thing is based on class also. I believe the cutoff for reverse or higher is 120+ (not like I can verify at the moment), as I got both timeless and reverse sets at 154 as a mage.

And this:

Yet, it's more than what Nexon has given us the last 6 years for getting hacked(which is NOTHING)
How the he'll are they supposed to know what items you lost?
ANY ITEM THEY GIVE OUT WOULD UNDERGO MASS DEFLATION.
NX? the ratio would drop like mad. Tradeable items? Deflation.
They didn't say they would be compensating, they said they would be "helping you start up again" or something along those lines.
A full timeless set+wild wolf bandana is better than nothing.
Again, do you really expect them to compensate your 30b in equips or w.e that you lost?
Either theyd have to 1. Compensate this to every player(refer to above posts on deflation)
or 2. View accounts on a case by case basis(nearly impossible/easily abused, ie xfering all your items, and then filing a hacking report)

As soon as I log on Maple, all I'm hearing is either:
1) "WTH I didn't get enough stuffs"
2) "I'm going to submit a hacking report so I can get free stuffs!"

Yet, it's more than what Nexon has given us the last 6 years for getting hacked(which is NOTHING)
How the he'll are they supposed to know what items you lost?

Would you, for the love of all that is holy, mind reading the damn thread?
Eos has a rather relevant post right at the top of the last page.
Having trouble?
Let me link you to it.

ANY ITEM THEY GIVE OUT WOULD UNDERGO MASS DEFLATION.
NX? the ratio would drop like mad. Tradeable items? Deflation.

If one's items were restored as they were, deflation wouldn't be an issue.
The NX ratio isn't affected by the amount of NX in the wild... It never has been.

They didn't say they would be compensating, they said they would be "helping you start up again" or something along those lines.

I don't understand your penchant to ignore something that is readily available to you.
Relevant:
"To provide relief for your loss, we have generated generous compensation packages that best suit your character’s needs."
"The compensation package that you will receive will depend on the character that receives it. Each package is catered to the job, class, and level of your character. You will only receive ONE package, so carefully consider which character you would like to receive the compensation package."

A full timeless set+wild wolf bandana is better than nothing.
Again, do you really expect them to compensate your 30b in equips or w.e that you lost?

"Better than nothing" is never, ever an acceptable excuse to anything ever.
And, yes, we should. Especially when those things "lost" include NX which is built around a system that tracks every transaction, making the restoration a trivial matter.

Either theyd have to 1. Compensate this to every player(refer to above posts on deflation)
or 2. View accounts on a case by case basis(nearly impossible/easily abused, ie xfering all your items, and then filing a hacking report)

If they're viewing accounts on a case-by-case basis, how would that be abused?
They should be thorough enough to notice any anomalies.

Yet, it's more than what Nexon has given us the last 6 years for getting hacked(which is NOTHING)
How the he'll are they supposed to know what items you lost?
ANY ITEM THEY GIVE OUT WOULD UNDERGO MASS DEFLATION.
NX? the ratio would drop like mad. Tradeable items? Deflation.
They didn't say they would be compensating, they said they would be "helping you start up again" or something along those lines.
A full timeless set+wild wolf bandana is better than nothing.
Again, do you really expect them to compensate your 30b in equips or w.e that you lost?
Either theyd have to 1. Compensate this to every player(refer to above posts on deflation)
or 2. View accounts on a case by case basis(nearly impossible/easily abused, ie xfering all your items, and then filing a hacking report)

Getting nothing would have been better than this, for a lot of people. For most people, really. If they had given an option of 1 top tier item of your choice (I.E., VIP item, EStaff5-8, 140 weapon, et cetera) that would have been much better received. At this point, it's quite literally like they are throwing crap (literally, in the case of the power elixirs) at the user to shut them up.

Please tell me what you want Nexon to give you then.

How about what the people lost? Is that so much to ask?

I realize by this point that NEXON has literally no staff, much less a competent one, but they can at least TRY to pretend they are a real company.

Would like to say I received no timeless anything and I'm 17x. Not that timeless or reverse would do me any good, considering all weapons is speed 7-8 and worthless too me. Oh and I received 7 glove attacks for a glove I already have with 14 attack. So all and all, I got a 4 attack cape that blew up on a 90% for shits and giggles. That doesn't compensate even 1/4 of ONE PIECE of gear.

What would I like? I'd like the items themselves that I specifically listed, pre-scrolled to the stats I had. I'd also like 100% potential scrolls for each of those items and replacement rings (guess I wasted hours logging in for those events eh?), as well as NX in the amount I spent in cubes on each of those items. That'd make me happy. Or hey, they could do just about anything that isn't such a half-assed attempt at saving face without putting an ounce of effort into it.

You people are never happy..

What would I like? I'd like the items themselves that I specifically listed, pre-scrolled to the stats I had.

You act as if they have a specific area on the form for you to list your items in what might give a user hope that said items will be restored.

You people are never happy..

Meanwhile, someone could pomegranate on your face, and you'd probably still applaud.

There was a 10k MP "this-is-not-a-compensation-but-we're-still-looking-into-your-case-and-spamming-your-email" compensation sometime early '10 for the '09 hackings.

My brother got that!
Sad that the "non-compensation" was leagues better than the real "compensation".

You guys act like they don't have character database backups for every single character going back years, potentially even going back to the very start, detailing all NX usage, mesos and items for every character on every account.

But again, that would require them to have employees to review the datalogs, which, as I've pointed out already, they surely can't have, there would be no excuse for any of this at all if they had even a single employee.
/fatalistic whining

You act as if they have a specific area on the form for you to list your items in what might give a user hope that said items will be restored.

Yeah, as if Nexon would ever... oh wait:
Lurker for several years and don't know how to get image embedding to work
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249...at111.png/

I seriously doubt Nexon even looks at the details though...Unless you're some huge NX spender. Yeah, money makes the world go round.

How would Nexon refund your items?
If they somehow did, it would be so extremely exploitable it's not even funny.
1. Move all items to different account
2. Submit hacking ticket
3. Get items back
Oh look i now have 2 copies of all my gear!

How would Nexon refund your items?
If they somehow did, it would be so extremely exploitable it's not even funny.
1. Move all items to different account
2. Submit hacking ticket
3. Get items back
Oh look i now have 2 copies of all my gear!

Sad but true, they could give everything you had but at the same time how they know you've been hacked aside from you telling them?

How would Nexon refund your items?
If they somehow did, it would be so extremely exploitable it's not even funny.
1. Move all items to different account
2. Submit hacking ticket
3. Get items back
Oh look i now have 2 copies of all my gear!

.....

I'll put this nicely.

Please read my post again; they have logs, detailing, everything, that, ever, happens, on, their, servers. Just like they can see that a person got a ton of stuff stolen, they can also see that the person is just switching off to another account. And if not, and they get outside help, as soon as the gear hits their account again, they will know, and can ban BOTH people involved.

If they never get their gear back onto that account, then it's the same thing, is it not? Unless they start a new character for the gear, which, while not entirely outside the feasible realm of possibility, is a ton of work for something that might not even work. Also, keep in mind they will also keep address logs of account access.

This is so derpy. I'm not going to spoonfeed you a bunch of assumptions about their system, especially when you are already assuming it would be done in some blanket motion without regard to checking on the hack claim. It's been determined they do have logs, so let me blow your mind. What if, and this is big, but what if they looked in their logs, and undid the chain of transaction involving your item? You're looking at this in a very one-sided and selfish way because you weren't affected, but for those of us that were this is a big deal.

The fact that they've never done that (that I've heard of?) leads me to believe such a system is not implemented? Nobody would know for sure, well, besides the people that may or may not have hacked into the dBs, but even if it is, have they ever USED it? Not saying just because they haven't means they shouldn't start, but they seem to be set in their ways when it comes to (failed) business practice.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and they have done that in the past, by the way, that's just an assumption of mine, not based on any facts.

This is so derpy. I'm not going to spoonfeed you a bunch of assumptions about their system, especially when you are already assuming it would be done in some blanket motion without regard to checking on the hack claim. It's been determined they do have logs, so let me blow your mind. What if, and this is big, but what if they looked in their logs, and undid the chain of transaction involving your item? You're looking at this in a very one-sided and selfish way because you weren't affected, but for those of us that were this is a big deal.

Yeah, as if Nexon would ever... oh wait:
Lurker for several years and don't know how to get image embedding to work
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/249...at111.png/

I seriously doubt Nexon even looks at the details though...Unless you're some huge NX spender. Yeah, money makes the world go round.

I pray you detected my sarcasm.

I just told my brother to send in another ticket. After all, Hime said to do so if the compensation wasn't suitable.
I hope everyone else does the same, if for no other reason than to show that this is indeed not acceptable.

How would Nexon refund your items?
If they somehow did, it would be so extremely exploitable it's not even funny.
1. Move all items to different account
2. Submit hacking ticket
3. Get items back
Oh look i now have 2 copies of all my gear!

Yeah, that would certainly work if the refund system were automated, yes it would. Herpderp.

Nobody understands my point.
According to the hypothetical logs that Nexon keeps, it would look EXACTLY the same whether I got hacked, or I transferred all my equips to an account logged in on a different ip.
Reverse the transaction?
That would be the hugest clusterf'uck ever.
Once a item that was hacked from someones account enters the market, reversing the transaction would cause extreme changes. Ie. Player a got hacked by player b. Player b sells item for 1b mesos to player c. Player c sells item to player d for 1.5b mesos. Meanwhile, player b has used his mesos to buy items from player e, who has spent these mesos on other items in FM. Player d has also used these mesos to buy items from player f. How the hell does Nexon reverse the transaction?

Nobody understands my point.
According to the hypothetical logs that Nexon keeps, it would look EXACTLY the same whether I got hacked, or I transferred all my equips to an account logged in on a different ip.
Reverse the transaction?
That would be the hugest clusterf'uck ever.
Once a item that was hacked from someones account enters the market, reversing the transaction would cause extreme changes. Ie. Player a got hacked by player b. Player b sells item for 1b mesos to player c. Player c sells item to player d for 1.5b mesos. Meanwhile, player b has used his mesos to buy items from player e, who has spent these mesos on other items in FM. Player d has also used these mesos to buy items from player f. How the hell does Nexon reverse the transaction?

You know what, lets just assume you have a point and they are completely lacking in the transaction logs sector of their dB; at this point, they owe us whatever we goddamned want. So, in the offchance that you are right, who cares, we deserve those extra items for all the horrible bullshit we have had to put up with for years now.

Nobody understands my point.
According to the hypothetical logs that Nexon keeps, it would look EXACTLY the same whether I got hacked, or I transferred all my equips to an account logged in on a different ip.
Reverse the transaction?
That would be the hugest clusterf'uck ever.
Once a item that was hacked from someones account enters the market, reversing the transaction would cause extreme changes. Ie. Player a got hacked by player b. Player b sells item for 1b mesos to player c. Player c sells item to player d for 1.5b mesos. Meanwhile, player b has used his mesos to buy items from player e, who has spent these mesos on other items in FM. Player d has also used these mesos to buy items from player f. How the hell does Nexon reverse the transaction?

People HAVE had their accounts 100% recovered, exact replica's of the items. You can't just make a mule and move the equips, it's like insurance fraud. However cases of where the items are traded to a player with a minimal transaction, rather than the value, it's obvious these items were stolen. Your point is weak, not misunderstand as insurance companies deal with this kind of pomegranate all the time. And I'm not sure you realized by the economy is already sh`it.

You know what, lets just assume you have a point and they are completely lacking in the transaction logs sector of their dB; at this point, they owe us whatever we goddamned want. So, in the offchance that you are right, who cares, we deserve those extra items for all the horrible bullpomegranate we have had to put up with for years now.

I know they have db logs.
Doesnt make my scenario any less valid.
Herp Derp lets reverse every transaction that involved an item hacked from someone since 2009.
We might as well rollback the game to 2009 while we're at it.

People HAVE had their accounts 100% recovered, exact replica's of the items. You can't just make a mule and move the equips, it's like insurance fraud. However cases of where the items are traded to a player with a minimal transaction, rather than the value, it's obvious these items were stolen. Your point is weak, not misunderstand as insurance companies deal with this kind of pomegranate all the time. And I'm not sure you realized by the economy is already sh`it.

Im not saying its not possible.
Just like insurance fraud, there WILL be abusers of the system.
The risks would outweigh the benefits from nexon's point of view.
1. Just getting the items back is essentially creating items out of thin air( exactly the same as duping)
even if the original owner actually lost his items, there is now 2 copies of that gear on the market. If every item that was ever hacked from someone suddenly duped itself, the market would collapse.
This would affect EVERYONE, not just the people who got hacked.
it may seem like a huge number of people got hacked, but in reality it would be under 2% of the game who actually did
Fking up the economy even harder in order to accommodate 2% of the population would be flat out stupid.

Nobody understands my point.
According to the hypothetical logs that Nexon keeps, it would look EXACTLY the same whether I got hacked, or I transferred all my equips to an account logged in on a different ip.
Reverse the transaction?
That would be the hugest clusterf'uck ever.
Once a item that was hacked from someones account enters the market, reversing the transaction would cause extreme changes. Ie. Player a got hacked by player b. Player b sells item for 1b mesos to player c. Player c sells item to player d for 1.5b mesos. Meanwhile, player b has used his mesos to buy items from player e, who has spent these mesos on other items in FM. Player d has also used these mesos to buy items from player f. How the hell does Nexon reverse the transaction?

You've basically taken the stance that the lazy way is the best way. We get it, you think everyone is scamming the system. The fact is, a good portion of mmo's out there have some system like this, and guess what? The world doesn't end. They respond in a timely manner and they only have to reverse 3 days of transactions instead of a year. You're basically ignoring the fact we got fucked on the basis that hypothetical REAL compensation would be abused.

You've basically taken the stance that the lazy way is the best way. We get it, you think everyone is scamming the system. The fact is, a good portion of mmo's out there have some system like this, and guess what? The world doesn't end. They respond in a timely manner and they only have to reverse 3 days of transactions instead of a year. You're basically ignoring the fact we got fucked on the basis that hypothetical REAL compensation would be abused.

Honestly, I wouldn't even care about people abusing it if it meant people that were actually hit with this got their stuff back. The economy is already horrible, nothing can make it any worse, absolutely nothing, not even being flooded with thousands of perfect items. Hell, that might make the economy BETTER.