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lol yeah, your group was already 6/7H, my group was 6/7 normal when I joined them, and we progressed together learning the fights.
This week we are going to try beth'liac, but I don't think we have enough DPS :|. our hunter is kinda meh.

No one plays sub do it on assassination and I'll be impressed.

I told you some rogue in my guild went sub for lols and ranked because limit was only 16k. That's like me playing fire or frost...once I get some more gear...and going for ranks.

every good rogue goes subtlety for tank and spank fights. Subtlety is the highest DPS for rogues for single target fights.

Meh you just know that because you're comfortable in it because you PVP like mad.

I'm surprised your group could progress so far 5/7H with a bad Hunter lol. You really need him so he can get spiderlings from a distance.

10m Beth is way fucking hard. Even 25m Baleroc was normal, but after a while, like 2-3 mins in, pomegranate got crazy and everyone got nervous LOL that is harder on 25m.

all bosses are harder in 10man, maybe baleroc is easier because less people to spread with the tormented debuff.

well, we had a good hunter, but idk what happened and he couldnt raid with us anymore.

bosses are harder in 10 man?

Honestly I think FL is easier in 10m, at least certain bosses. I mean look what Paragon said, they had to dumb down their tactics when they got world first 10m HM Rag.

All HM defined for 10m in bold:

Shannox: Even though rooming is easier on 10m, I'm still gonna say 10m is harder.

Bethiliac: Def harder on 10m.

Baleroc: Def easier on 10m because it's easier to coordinate crystals, not to mention there's only one crystal, lot less curse spreading and easier to coordinate who has torment and who doesn't.

Ryolith: I'll say slightly harder on 10m just because of the 4th add.

Als: Gotta say it's even on both.

Domo: Gonna say easier on 10m because 2-3 people were losing concentration each leap, and orbs were harder to organize.

Rag: Paragon said easier on 10m and I believe that, looks easier to coordinate.

3 harder, 3 easier, 1 even. Seems to be balanced.

That's what paragon said? or is that what you think?

http://www.paragon.fi/news/ragnaros-10-m...ell?page=1

After a quick clear of the filler bosses yesterday, we decided to go all out on Ragnaros today. We begun importing our 25-man tactics and had multiple very silly wipes. Once we realized we could just ditch the overly complicated tactics, we made several P4 wipes. Soon afterwards we were able to slay him and get the world first 10-man Ragnaros Heroic kill as well.

I'm talking about the post right above mine not about heroic rag 10 vs heroic rag 25. I know heroic rag 10 is easier already

Someone on MMO champ said a guy he knew from L2R aka Vodka ranking the bosses that way in 10m and 25m. Not Paragon. I just filled in why it would be that way.

[video=youtube;N6eEMaYEzzE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6eEMaYEzzE&feature=related[/video]

http://www.paragon.fi/articles/10-vs-25-comparison

Paragon says first four aren't noticeable, baleroc domo and rag are all way pineappleing easier on 10, basically what I posted.

Yeah that's right maikon I'm looking at you. Me and Russell raid REAL man 25s. (LOLOL @ me I'm so scrub)

every good rogue goes subtlety for tank and spank fights. Subtlety is the highest DPS for rogues for single target fights.

^This. Sub scales HARD with PvE gear and it's looking to become the best PvE spec for Rogues in T13. Right now for T12, Combat > Sub > Assn in terms of usefulness.

because what paragon say is what we should believe. just because they are paid to play wow and wipe 500 time in 1 week to get world first mean we should look at them like they are god of wow and what they write the bible of wow....

pay me and I will wipe 1000 times trying to get world first too.

anyway, rogues will have to spend gold to get the legendary dagger ****

http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/2508...?#comments

If you did a fight 1000 times, I'd listen to your opinion pretty highly too as apposed to someone who has only done the fight maybe 50 times.

I guess I need to start trying to get gold back then for the daggers lol.

10000 gold is cheap nowadays, even though I only have like 35k to my rogue

because what paragon say is what we should believe. just because they are paid to play wow and wipe 500 time in 1 week to get world first mean we should look at them like they are god of wow and what they write the bible of wow....

pay me and I will wipe 1000 times trying to get world first too.

@Bold, you just invalidated any opinion you have.

I had a lot of gold until I was getting upgrades nonstop, and I paid for 3 months of WoW play time with gold. Then I started playing dragon nest and haven't even been trying to get gold on WoW.

BTW the deathwing fight looks lame as hell.... DPS tentacle, DPS wing, switch platform, DPS tentacle, DPS wing. grats you killed deathwing?

I know that, but when they killed heroic ragnaros, a lot of people went to blizzard forum complaining that they didnt use any resto shaman, saying that resto shaman is pomegranate because paragon didn't use them. the paragon setup was like, 6 boomkim for the transiction phase, so they could use the water wave to knockback the small adds, its their strategy, they did a raid comp to fill their needs, after that, people killed hrag with other strategy aswell.

same goes for baleroc, some raid use 2 tank, some use 1 tank

lord ryo, some raid use 2 tank, some use 1 tank

shannox: some kill rageface first, zerg shannox to 40-35%, then kill riplimb, some zerg shannox to 50%, kill rageface, put melee on shannox while ranged kill riplimb. (normal mode ofc)

you just have to find the best strategy to fit your raiding group/comp.

@Dark link: what? you say they are not paid to play WoW? lol....

Resto shamans do suck in PvE though... that's why Blizzard gave them spirit link even though they were OP as fk in arenas.

how mmo champion said, the fight is pretty bugged, and it should be unavailable for testing. that guild somehow unlocked the fight.