Controversy erupts over Campus Republicans @ UC Berkeley over their racist bake sale

As I said before, EVERYONE must have equal chances of entering. I really don't understand why did the United States choose to make it easier for me.

Why can't you ignore the fact I'm "different"? Why can't I go by as just another human being?

Politics, just make me rage. I don't get what the United States try to achieve. They make easier for us to enter University, but is hella hard to get a visa.

Most of the time the accuse us of something without researching, and then I have to wait like half a year for them to make a "research".

Just wtp.....

I hope that legislation was thrown out of the window by now.

It's because in the United States, "Mexicans" and other Latinos + other minorities are considered "underachieving" when in comparison to Asians and Whites, which makes them look not-so-smart. So in order to "help" minorities achieve better scores/more representation, they get special treatment and special scholarships just for them. It's like an incentive to go to school instead of the stereotypical drug sales on the corner with a gang banger in the back.

It's because in the United States, "Mexicans" and other Latinos + other minorities are considered "underachieving" when in comparison to Asians and Whites, which makes them look not-so-smart. So in order to "help" minorities achieve better scores/more representation, they get special treatment and special scholarships just for them. It's like an incentive to go to school instead of the stereotypical drug sales on the corner with a gang banger in the back.

And I just lost hope on the United States ever fighting discrimination and stereotypes.

If they believe we need the help to enter.. they are greatly understimating us.

I... will just avoid the United States... never setting foot there.

That's just... wow. I feel so mad a country feels free to do that to my country.

EDIT: @Modular: Well, Mexico isn't as poor as you imagine. We got our upper class, middle class (of which I am part of).
What happens is that poor people who doesn't want / can study, go to the United States for jobs. I'm just.. sad.
I knew there was something wrong with the way people looked us, but not that way. I'm just to shocked about the way things really are over there. Makes me want to kill my own goverment for never doing anything against that kind of stuff.

Man, now I'm speechless.

As I said before, EVERYONE must have equal chances of entering. I really don't understand why did the United States choose to make it easier for me.

because i, as an upper-middle class white male, am assumed have an easier time throwing enough money at my problems to make them go away. as a latino, you are assumed to have less access to those kind of funds because you arent who built america, you are who built mexico, a much poorer country in general. so the people who believe government should help the less fortunate have written legislation so that you can bypass the art of throwing money at your problems because youre not assumed to be rich.

same goes for black people, except replace "from mexico" with "were enslaved and kept down for a long time". idk about asians.

affirmative action is bullpomegranate in college and afterwards. affirmative action is needed in gradeschools so that people can be offered the chance to become great before theyve decided to suck.

edit: oh, ninjas! dont avoid the US just because of affirmative action, that would be a big mistake. you can take advantage of it and maybe be better off for it. denying yourself the opportunity to live a probably better life to uphold your pride and principles is a philosophical high road.

As I said before, EVERYONE must have equal chances of entering. I really don't understand why did the United States choose to make it easier for me.

Why can't you ignore the fact I'm "different"? Why can't I go by as just another human being?

Politics, just make me rage. I don't get what the United States try to achieve. They make easier for us to enter University, but is hella hard to get a visa.

Most of the time the accuse us of something without researching, and then I have to wait like half a year for them to make a "research".

Just wtp.....

I hope that legislation was thrown out of the window by now.

I agree with this, but to some point I also agree with them making it easier for the minorities since a good chunk of them get the short end most of the time mostly because there are more whites in US and are funded, so if they make it so everyone had equal chance you can bet theres going to be a whole more whites than anyone from any of the minorities.

e.g.: You could say that the whites are like a noob raised in a merch/booter/hacker guild while the minority doesn't get any help, now those 2 are fighting over the last spot in a boss run, who do you think would most likely get in the run?


Edit: Now that I think of it, shouldn't they be considering how much the family gains per year than their ethnicity? A rich black guy would have way more advantages while growing up than a middle class white, at least do that on the cheap (lol) colleges.

edit: oh, ninjas! dont avoid the US just because of affirmative action, that would be a big mistake. you can take advantage of it and maybe be better off for it. denying yourself the opportunity to live a probably better life to uphold your pride and principles is a philosophical high road.

I hardly believe I could take advantage of it. We have world known Universities. I'm not talking about my pride, but of my fear as a country like the United States could do that.

With what I just read, your goverment branded my country of "underachiever". We are not United States happy garden.

The only problem we have is a goverment that does as they please, without listening to the peoples complaints.

My only reason of going to the United States would be to visit friends from maple / visiting disney world.

And I'm not denying myself of living a better life. I have more chances of getting a good house, a family, a good income, etc. here, than in a place where I am the "minority" and I should probably fear.

Decent premise, but, as I am an extreme pessimist, I would have seen that public outcry coming a mile away. Can't trust people to do anything right, these days.

you can take advantage of it and maybe be better off for it. denying yourself the opportunity to live a probably better life to uphold your pride and principles is a philosophical high road.

Pride is one of the only truly important things in this life, you know. Material isn't worth sacrificing your dignity.

And I just lost hope on the United States ever fighting discrimination and stereotypes.

If they believe we need the help to enter.. they are greatly understimating us.

I... will just avoid the United States... never setting foot there.

That's just... wow. I feel so mad a country feels free to do that to my country.

EDIT: @Modular: Well, Mexico isn't as poor as you imagine. We got our upper class, middle class (of which I am part of).
What happens is that poor people who doesn't want / can study, go to the United States for jobs. I'm just.. sad.
I knew there was something wrong with the way people looked us, but not that way. I'm just to shocked about the way things really are over there. Makes me want to kill my own goverment for never doing anything against that kind of stuff.

Man, now I'm speechless.

African American and Latino's make up the majority of ghetto's, therefore by giving these scholarships, oppurtunities, and status quo, it is giving fair oppurtunity for all. The problem is everyone is hurting for money, colleges rates continue to go up, and everyone but whites really get some serious slack. The history behind it makes sense, but it's outdated and unapplicable now.

Also like to mention the reason Mexico in general is looked down so much, is the stuff like loose posts, where drug cartels run the cities. Not to mention majority of our crime on the west coast is latino related.

Just to add to this, most eastern Asians (Chinese, Japanese, koreans, etc.) are not considered minorities anymore, even though they are (in terms of population). They don't get the minority treatment because Asians are clearly so much better off than every other minority (stupid model minority myth). I guess that's why Asians have to pay $1.50 since the -$.50 could be used for poorly financed Asians (stereotypically the Vietnamese, hmong, and other SE asians).

If anything, colleges should look at the financial backing over race if they want to recruit the "hard working, not-so-educated" people. low financial incomes essentially makes the "Ghetto" lower class anyway. Give anyone the same funding and they can probably grow up just as well off as anyone else (or as poor as anyone else).

k ima stop- my argument is sounding too much like Maplestory

Just to add to this, most eastern Asians (Chinese, Japanese, koreans, etc.) are not considered minorities anymore, even though they are (in terms of population). They don't get the minority treatment because Asians are clearly so much better off than every other minority (stupid model minority myth). I guess that's why Asians have to pay $1.50 since the -$.50 could be used for poorly financed Asians (stereotypically the Vietnamese, hmong, and other SE asians).

If anything, colleges should look at the financial backing over race if they want to recruit the "hard working, not-so-educated" people. low financial incomes essentially makes the "Ghetto" lower class anyway. Give anyone the same funding and they can probably grow up just as well off as anyone else (or as poor as anyone else).

k ima stop- my argument is sounding too much like Maplestory

Although this is true, I think there's a pride issue too. During tax time, when were giving out a specific county credit, which a large asian population does live in, or near of, we get a lot of calls concerning it. Yeah no sh`it right? They want their money! No my friend, they call us, sometimes crying, how they don't want the money, and they consider it pity money.

Pride is one of the only truly important things in this life, you know. Material isn't worth sacrificing your dignity.

denying yourself an opportunity to grow significantly as a person because of pride is worse imo

denying yourself an opportunity to grow significantly as a person because of pride is worse imo

So about that prostituition to get through school

I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ... there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white"

Basically this, whites shouldn't get up in arms about affirmative action in college when you have had it all your life up until this point.

Though it shouldn't be a blanket effect I know some rich black guys who basically double dipped got all that black scholarship money and got into a school because their black. It should go by your actual level of income.

I get the joke," he continued. "How very original. It's been done for 15 years. The point that I think needs to be made ... is that by the time anyone steps on a college campus ... there has already been 12- to 13-years of institutionalized affirmative action for white folks, that is to say, racially embedded inequality, which has benefited those of us who are white"

Basically this, whites shouldn't get up in arms about affirmative action in college when you have had it all your life up until this point.

Though it shouldn't be a blanket effect I know some rich black guys who basically double dipped got all that black scholarship money and got into a school because their black. It should go by your actual level of income.

you have to remember though, the people that lived back then aren't the same that are living right now. ones trying to get in college atm were never benefitted in the first place because, well, they haven't gone to college. maybe their parents and such, but not the kids.

I don't get it -- what have I gotten in universities that minorities haven't? Honestly. They're given way more money and opportunities than I am...so to whom is this referring? Wealthy white folk?...

I don't get it -- what have I gotten in universities that minorities haven't? Honestly. They're given way more money and opportunities than I am...so to whom is this referring? Wealthy white folk?...

I'm gonna guess your white the opportunities you are talking about have been handed to you from day one. You might not think of it as much but they were there. In the same token minorities have had it backwards getting the few opportunities now.

you have to remember though, the people that lived back then aren't the same that are living right now. ones trying to get in college atm were never benefitted in the first place because, well, they haven't gone to college. maybe their parents and such, but not the kids.

What he means is that white kids applying to university today have the advantage of having gone to good primary, middle, and high schools, while the black kids struggled through miserable inner-city schools. So, whites had 12-13 years of advantage, now it's the blacks' turn.

Doesn't work that way, imho. Fix inner-city schools, don't force universities to accept their barely-literate (exaggerating to make a point, don't kill me) graduates.

I love how Martin Luther King was fighting for equality, when all African American's can say "We deserve these priviledges because white's got it, now its our turn".

That poor guy would be turning over in his grave. And truth be told, the only real things they were fighting for were citizenship/voting rights. Not applying reverse racism in the 21st century. We don't owe you anything, yet it seems like a lot of ignorant african americans believe we do.

I love how Martin Luther King was fighting for equality, when all African American's can say "We deserve these priviledges because white's got it, now its our turn".

That poor guy would be turning over in his grave. And truth be told, the only real things they were fighting for were citizenship/voting rights. Not applying reverse racism in the 21st century. We don't owe you anything, yet it seems like a lot of ignorant african americans believe we do.

Those weren't the only things they were fighting for. It still isn't equal affirmative action or not its not even close to being equal. Racism is built into institutions its no longer that white guy on the street yelling the n-word, I'd much rather have that in place of what we have now.
It's not about you all owing us anything its giving us the same damn oppertuinites you all are afforded for sitting on your ass and having white skin. which sadly probably wont ever happen.

Those weren't the only things they were fighting for. It still isn't equal affirmative action or not its not even close to being equal. Racism is built into institutions its no longer that white guy on the street yelling the n-word, I'd much rather have that in place of what we have now.
It's not about you all owing us anything its giving us the same damn oppertuinites you all are afforded for sitting on your ass and having white skin. which sadly probably wont ever happen.

Then please tell me what, you were fighting for because I assure you, it isn't the right to be lazy. And sir, you may want to change your view point to what your parents fed you out of spite of past history, because this whole, white=lazy thing you keep spouting out is complete bull sh`it.

American's treated you like sh`it, like they treated the irish, the italians, the scottish, the oriental, and every other culture because we didn't consider you citizens. It was different with African Americans I'm aware, however, the "oppurtunites" notice the U not the E, you're speaking of, are of people who worked for their oppurtunities. That's why we were so against communism because your work is worthless, it amounts to nothing.

So before you simply state "because you're white everything was handed to you", maybe you should consult my family who worked their ass off harder than you, mind you, while minorities beg for pity checks, which believe you me, only enables the lazy attitude.

And I'm sorry sir but you saying "we demand the same oppurtunities you received for being white" seems quite goddam ignorant, and quite goddam demanding for some imaginary debt we owe you, especially from some false reality that you believed existed. Sorry to bust your bubble but everyone suffered the great depression, and everyone is suffering this recession.

Those weren't the only things they were fighting for. It still isn't equal affirmative action or not its not even close to being equal. Racism is built into institutions its no longer that white guy on the street yelling the n-word, I'd much rather have that in place of what we have now.
It's not about you all owing us anything its giving us the same damn oppertuinites you all are afforded for sitting on your ass and having white skin. which sadly probably wont ever happen.

You really think that we have any benefits over black people? You are thinking of WEALTHY white males; you may as well just consider those people a different race from normal white people too, for all the likeness we have with them. Middle class white people at this point have long since been downgraded past almost all other races in the world due to others wanting handouts for crap that happened hundreds of years ago that we personally were not even responsible for.

If you want to get mad at anyone, get mad at the wealthy ones, not us.