Bleach Manga thread (SPOILERS)

I think they are just trying to reflect the power difference, renji pretty much explaining it. If you think about, bleach only had 1 real villain up till now, everything else has been henchman, i mean I feel like captains are the new "Norm" now.

Now I don't know what new villain they'll come up with but, aizen pretty much pissed all over the head captain (in a cheap way mind you but still). It's kind of the problem DBZ had after frieza.

Aizen is assumedly free? Great competence there Soul Society.

Aizen is assumedly free? Great competence there Soul Society.

At first I thought that and it is a possibility, but after I thought about it more, I think Renji was using Aizen as a comparison to the level of what he has been training to.

I think Renji was using Aizen as a comparison to the level of what he has been training to.

I honestly do not know how you could read what he said to mean anything other than this.

OH HE MENTIONED AIZEN HE MUST BE FREE NOW


...no...

Hmm.

Why would he train himself to be able to fight Aizen for 17 months after Aizen has been locked away?

Hmm.

If Kubo had said "to get at Ichigo's/Byakuya's Level" or just "I've been getting stronger these past 17 months" it would've been fine, but why specifically mention a threat long since dealt with.


Hmmmm.

Hmm.

Why would he train himself to be able to fight Aizen for 17 months after Aizen has been locked away?

Hmm.

If Kubo had said "to get at Ichigo's/Byakuya's Level" or just "I've been getting stronger these past 17 months" it would've been fine, but why specifically mention a threat long since dealt with.


Hmmmm.

Because it was the greatest threat that Soul Society ever faced? It's like saying I'm studying physics to a level where I could compete with Einstein.

Hmm.
Why would he train himself to be able to fight Aizen for 17 months after Aizen has been locked away?
Hmm.
If Kubo had said "to get at Ichigo's/Byakuya's Level" or just "I've been getting stronger these past 17 months" it would've been fine, but why specifically mention a threat long since dealt with.
Hmmmm.

Unnecessary spaces are unnecessary.

Maybe because Aizen/Ichigo could pomegranate all over Byakuya or maybe because Aizen was the strongest bad guy Soul Society has faced up to this point. I hope by now Renji realizes that Ichigo is on a different level than everyone else.

Edit: dam ninjas... EINSTEIN MUST BE BACK FROM THE DEAD O_O

There is no reason to mention Aizen as he is of no relevance unless:

a) He's escaped
b) They're predicting he will escape.

Renji has even mentioned it in the past he is trying to surpass Byakuya and why try to get to Aizen's level? How about aiming for Ichigo's Level, the guy who single-handed beat Aizen?

Hmm.

Why would he train himself to be able to fight Aizen for 17 months after Aizen has been locked away?

Hmm.

If Kubo had said "to get at Ichigo's/Byakuya's Level" or just "I've been getting stronger these past 17 months" it would've been fine, but why specifically mention a threat long since dealt with.


Hmmmm.

If you were fighting a foe whose power was beyond your comprehension only to have him SEALED AWAY (aka possibly coming back) that creates a phenomenon that renji can't mentally overcome. Aizen will never be defeatable by his own power because he was never comparable to renji before being sealed. Ichigo isn't very motivating for renji (at the time anyway) because not only did he lose his powers, his physical growth is unheard of because he has like 3 different power sources at this point while renji just has his bankai. Aizen breeds both motivation to reach his level and anger in being too weak to do anything for renji, making aizen the ideal training model for renji to overcome in order to reach a much higher level of power. Byakuya is hilariously weak in comparison. (despite us not knowing how strong he is right now)

If you're 100% caught up with "Hunter x Hunter", you'll know what i mean. The killing of komugi before the king can beat her in Gun-gi is the exact same situation. Komugi becomes undefeatable to the king which makes him the opposite of his destined being. "The ultimate species". He would be the best at Gun-gi by default, not by victory.

This is honestly simple English.

"I've been training to be able to fight Aizen"

Why the pineapple do you train to fight a dude locked behind bars for 17 months and will continue to be locked behind bars for 20,000+ years? What if another said stronger entity comes along and has power completely different/opposite of Aizen shows up? "Oh, I've been training to fight illusions but your powers have nothing to do with that".

If he said "I've been training to be to be on Aizen's Level" sure you can't really get a clear conclusion Aizen has escaped, but saying to be able to fight him is implying he wants to fight a dude out of the picture but would make logical sense had entity escapes or is predicted to escape.

I guess being locked in another dimension or some s'hit for 20k years means he never existed and never f'ucked people's days up in the first place.

The second aizen was SEALED instead of KILLED means the possibility of breaking out existed. Renji is just going along with that expectation. Conveniently, Aizen was the strongest anti-hero renji had known so he used him as a benchmark for his training because byakuya is weaksauce and ichigo is powerless. Whether aizen will actually come back or not doesn't matter. If someone stronger than aizen appeared renji would just use him as said benchmark instead of aizen. Not sure why this simple sentence pisses you off so much.

I guess being locked in another dimension or some s'hit for 20k years means he never existed and never f'ucked people's days up in the first place.

The second aizen was SEALED instead of KILLED means the possibility of breaking out existed. Renji is just going along with that expectation. Conveniently, Aizen was the strongest anti-hero renji had known so he used him as a benchmark for his training because byakuya is weaksauce and ichigo is powerless. Whether aizen will actually come back or not doesn't matter. If someone stronger than aizen appeared renji would just use him as said benchmark instead of aizen. Not sure why this simple sentence pisses you off so much.

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This. Remember in the Soul Society arc, where Byakuya was made out to be the main villain? Ranji said his goal was to surpass him then.

The point here is the sentence implies Aizen escaped. It is very logical conclusion or at least very easy to get it.

You don't train to to be able to fight someone unless they're able to fight back which Aizen can only do if he's escaped or expected to escape.

If he is using him as a benchmark as you say, the words of choice would have been "To be at Aizen's level" or better yet a person just as strong if not stronger than Aizen to completely avoid the possible confusion of saying Aizen escaped, say Ichigo.

If you're claiming that Renji/Soul Society is expecting him to escape and training for that then you are merely adding to the idea that Soul Society is incompetent in that they couldn't even defeat Aizen and Ichigo had to do it single-handed, but also that they can not hold his weakened and contained form.

You don't train to to be able to fight someone unless they're able to fight back which Aizen can only do if he's escaped or expected to escape.

That was what Takebacker said. Expected to escape and training for that moment is a lot different than "oh he escaped why don't I take my time over the next 17 months to train for the eventual battle."

If you're claiming that Renji/Soul Society is expecting him to escape and training for that then you are merely adding to the idea that Soul Society is incompetent in that they couldn't even defeat Aizen and Ichigo had to do it single-handed, but also that they can not hold his weakened and contained form.

He doesn't need to add to the idea that Soul Society is incompetent because they are clearly incompetent when it comes to most things. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if Aizen got out eventually, but atm, I think he is still locked up.

The point here is the sentence implies Aizen escaped. It is very logical conclusion or at least very easy to get it.

You don't train to to be able to fight someone unless they're able to fight back which Aizen can only do if he's escaped or expected to escape.

If he is using him as a benchmark as you say, the words of choice would have been "To be at Aizen's level" or better yet a person just as strong if not stronger than Aizen to completely avoid the possible confusion of saying Aizen escaped, say Ichigo.

If you're claiming that Renji/Soul Society is expecting him to escape and training for that then you are merely adding to the idea that Soul Society is incompetent in that they couldn't even defeat Aizen and Ichigo had to do it single-handed, but also that they can not hold his weakened and contained form.

There's VERY little difference here between "escaped" and "will escape" when it comes to saying what renji did because like i said, the fact he was sealed means it can break. Which you seem to agree with.

What you are saying is only completely true when aizen is dead. He isn't. Renji's statement being unlikely in it's connotations doesn't make it logically incorrect.

The issue of soul society being incompetent because of aizen in general is silly even though i agree. Since when is this something exclusive to bleach? I could call the spirit world from yu yu hakusho incompetent because they couldn't handle toguro/shinsui (much less every single lower layer of the demon world) and he had to be killed by yusuke. I could call the leaf village incompetent because they couldn't handle pain. This isn't something new and you know it. Main hero is always god and any organization that may have raised him aren't s'hit just because the hero surpasses them in every way.

Besides, aizen will be hilariously outmatched by the time he breaks out.

The point here is the sentence implies Aizen escaped. It is very logical conclusion or at least very easy to get it.

You don't train to to be able to fight someone unless they're able to fight back which Aizen can only do if he's escaped or expected to escape.

If he is using him as a benchmark as you say, the words of choice would have been "To be at Aizen's level" or better yet a person just as strong if not stronger than Aizen to completely avoid the possible confusion of saying Aizen escaped, say Ichigo.

If you're claiming that Renji/Soul Society is expecting him to escape and training for that then you are merely adding to the idea that Soul Society is incompetent in that they couldn't even defeat Aizen and Ichigo had to do it single-handed, but also that they can not hold his weakened and contained form.

There's VERY little difference here between "escaped" and "will escape" when it comes to saying what renji did because like i said, the fact he was sealed means it can break. Which you seem to agree with.

What you are saying is only completely true when aizen is dead. He isn't. Renji's statement being unlikely in it's connotations doesn't make it logically incorrect.

The issue of soul society being incompetent because of aizen in general is silly even though i agree. Since when is this something exclusive to bleach? I could call the spirit world from yu yu hakusho incompetent because they couldn't handle toguro/shinsui (much less every single lower layer of the demon world) and he had to be killed by yusuke. I could call the leaf village incompetent because they couldn't handle pain. This isn't something new and you know it. Main hero is always god and any organization that may have raised him aren't s'hit just because the hero surpasses them in every way.

Besides, aizen would be hilariously outmatched if he broke out. Ichigo could use the final getsuga as much as he wanted to...

Come the pineapple on. I get home from school after being gone only a few hours and there are like ten new long ass posts, and I bet they're about nonsense.

Zzz reading through these sec.

No pineapple these posts.

1. Takebacker go post in Hunter X Hunter thread..
2. Aizen isn't free okay he's a pineappleing comparison.

NOW FOR A REAL POST
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There are two forward points I can see now:
1. Captain competition to see who replaces old man Yama to lead Gotei 13
2. Move on to Soul King and guards+

There are two forward points I can see now:
1. Captain competition to see who replaces old man Yama to lead Gotei 13
2. Move on to Soul King and guards+

Meh, Yama-jii (spelling?) is still alive, hence no need for a new head captain. Plus he is clearly stronger than everyone else (or at least he was).

1. Takebacker go post in Hunter X Hunter thread..

There hasn't been the new chapter for this week yet. I don't really wanna say anything about it until we see where the author takes the manga...

Meh, Yama-jii (spelling?) is still alive, hence no need for a new head captain. Plus he is clearly stronger than everyone else (or at least he was).

Nigguh is like 2k years old and is missing an arm that Orihime didn't bother to heal even though she healed Grimmjow (<- most fucked up of the plotholes that pisses me off)

And look how crazy strong Renji is. I'm sure he's at "double captain" level like Aizen was, but I'm sure Kenpatchi and Byuakya at least grew ridiculously strong too.