Naruto Thread (Spoilers For Sure)

Of course he's just a cliff hanger lol, we will see Itachi or Six Paths of Pain before we see Sasuke again.

No Suber I would have been so pissed off if without 9 tails Chakra naruto became worthless and couldn't fight at all. Would have wrecked the manga for me.

But to one of the arguing people's points, I agree Kakashi is the bomb. He's realistic, he does run out of chakra and he avoids moves because it'll crash him for a week. Naruto and Sasuke? Lol3 hour recover time tops, they use their hardest moves because that's all they know.

True, that would have been upsetting. But he is going to run out of chakra soon, he can't go on forever, by the time he saves everyone and gets to Madara he will be all tired. Cliffhangers are suppose to be in the next chapter. Thats Sasuke cliffhanger was such a tease

He hurt himself...

Sasuke has no excuse.

What are you talking about? Sasuke has a perfect excuse. HE IS FUELED BY HATRED!

But on a slightly more serious note. Sasuke isn't as omghax as he appears to be at times. He did get his stupid ass blinded thanks to overusing mangekyou. It is obvious that Naruto and Sasuke are a modern day version of Minato and Madara both of who were/are naturally gifted ninjas. So while Naruto has the nine tails it isn't that much of a leap for Sasuke to be a naturally gifted ninja as well. (Of hatred.)


Anyway.

Still waiting on Nine Tails Sage Mode.

More like modern Hashirama and Madara.

More like modern Hashirama and Madara.

Minato himself during his time was a modern day Hashirama. So Naruto would take after the most recent person, aka Minato. Madara never had anyone who could dare to take his place besides Orochimaru (He failed.) and Sasuke.

But, yeah, he is a modern day Hashirama as well. It is obvious and apparent that there is going to be a big massive show down between Naruto and Sasuke exactly like Hashirama and Madara.

So it continues

Powerful godlike legendary shinobi->Only manages to kill a couple of nameless shinobi that don't follow directions/are headstrong->A random Achilles' Heel has appeared!->Fin Villain. What exactly is the point of this war? Even with Kabutomaru's "help", Madara is getting the pomegranate kicked out of him. It's not a delay tactic since he's on a time schedule. Espionage seems like a better choice than doing this:

[video=youtube;a1o82BVKFp8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1o82BVKFp8[/video]

I began reading naruto yet again... and I got to say.. I miss harem no jutsu and inner Sakura.

The unrealistic thing about Sasuke, Meta, is that he's spamming Mangyokeo jutsu all day without losing enough chakra. Sure, he's losing his sight, but he has to be losing Chakra too and it seems he isn't. When Itachi uses Amaterasu or Tsukiyomi or Susanoo it's a big ass deal for him. Even Madara, who doesn't seem to have/use Mangyokeo now, at least realistically fought against Hashirama, one person, and still lost. And god forbid Kakashi uses Mangyokeo, a week in bed.

The second he gets his blindfold off he uses Susanoo with an Amaterasu sword, wtp?

At least for Naruto I can say he has to drop his Nine tails chakra for a bit after overusing it (although since it's a seperate chakra source I guess it's okay that he still has energy afterward, like being able to go Sage Mode).

So its not poor usage of characters despite that from the start of part 2, most of the side characters have barely been used in major moments in the series (especially Rock Lee, a huge fan favorite).

Or that when a girl who has been genuine in admiring someone from afar for a long time through the series works up the courage to admit her love in front Naruto and the entire village and there has yet to be a single mention of it yet.

Or the ending of Sasuke vs Deidara.

Or the fact that an entire village filled with top-class ninjas stands around watching as a single person fights and had they a bit of common sense them helping would've been a huge advantage over the guy who has a delay between his repel/attract technique.

Or the uselessness of nearly every female character in this series.

Tenten.

The problem here is you don't know what goes in good writing and that good writers would never let this much pomegranate like this pass in their works. These are glaring obvious mistakes that would never pass.

You are still missing the point. Although I can see some plot holes and issues with the manga, YOU are the one who keeps saying the writing is bad -> opinion. I like the manga and really don't have that many issues with it. Stop being so single-minded.

Btw, Sakura doesn't actually love Naruto. The way you said "Or that when a girl who has been genuine in admiring someone from afar for a long time through the series works up the courage to admit her love in front Naruto and the entire village and there has yet to be a single mention of it yet" makes me think you didn't even read the manga. Sakura admitted that lie to Naruto, Kakashi, Sai, and Yamato, that's it. (She was trying to get him to forget his promise to her to bring Sasuke back). Hardly the entire village.

As for everyone "standing around" and watching as Naruto fought Pain, Pain had literally just kicked the pomegranate out of everyone, leaving Naruto to basically save the day. Kakashi was dead, Tsunade was out cold, etc. Naruto told everyone to stay back because he understood that he and Pain were on a different level than everyone else. Remember when Hinata jumps in to help Naruto? She gets her pomegranate wrecked. Another point is that Naruto has sage mode + the kyyubi and did not want to have to worry about hitting his comrades while they try to have a cluster pineapple on Pain.

Last point, you see every female character as useless? Again, there are examples for an against your point. Tsunade -> best medical ninja in the world and the hokage, Sakura -> same idea, but is working to be even better. Tenten/Ino, yea basically useless. I also don't see Temari as actually that useless though, she was just fighting the strongest Raikage in history.

Overall, opinion about writing is opinion about writing.

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Before I start, I'm pretty sure he was talking about Hinata loving Naruto from a distance, not Sakura. But, neither Sakura or Hinata admitted anything in front of the entire village (as far as the manga is concerned).

As for the useless females, he said nearly. Not all. From what I've seen:

Tsunade: Effing awesome.
Sakura: Useless when it comes to fights. She's tied to her emotions a lot which makes her get smacked around a lot. Case in point - Sasuke.
Tenten: Lol when is she ever doing anything major that requires more screentime?
Hinata/Temari/Moegi/others: Haven't seen much of them. They just appear within the manga just because.

I agree with him on the fact that females are almost useless in part 2, but I also agree with you on opinion on his writing. Despite what I think of the characters/plots/etc, I still like this manga because it's good to me.

Hinata bascially did confess her love for Naruto in front of the whole village. Maybe only Naruto and Pain were able to hear what she said, but she jumped in between Naruto and Pain in front of the whole village while her and everyone knew she had no chance to win. That doesn't really require explaination. I do admit It sucked not to give a single mention of this while the village was being rebuilt though, but I understand Kishi doesn't want to set Naruto with either Hinata and Sakura yet to keep both side of Fans watching.

Still waiting on Nine Tails Sage Mode.

This. Ever since I heard the Hachibi make mention of how Naruto couldn't overuse the NineTails' Charka or he could die, I've been thinking the best way to manage this would be using Sage mode as an infinite source of Chakra for both Kyuby and Naruto. This would make him last forever but he still can get hurt and he is up to the current 2 strongest Shinobi.

I was surprised how gaara was handling the mirage guy. I kind of figured they'd have to use the 3rd raikage's body against him somehow, didn't expect him to spear himself though. I have a feeling itachi is gonna get owned by madara soon.

You are still missing the point. Although I can see some plot holes and issues with the manga, YOU are the one who keeps saying the writing is bad -> opinion. I like the manga and really don't have that many issues with it. Stop being so single-minded.

Btw, Sakura doesn't actually love Naruto. The way you said "Or that when a girl who has been genuine in admiring someone from afar for a long time through the series works up the courage to admit her love in front Naruto and the entire village and there has yet to be a single mention of it yet" makes me think you didn't even read the manga. Sakura admitted that lie to Naruto, Kakashi, Sai, and Yamato, that's it. (She was trying to get him to forget his promise to her to bring Sasuke back). Hardly the entire village.

Do you even know the manga? The girl who has admired him from afar being Hinata. This is obvious as hell. She has been admiring him from the beginning until now.

As for everyone "standing around" and watching as Naruto fought Pain, Pain had literally just kicked the pomegranate out of everyone, leaving Naruto to basically save the day. Kakashi was dead, Tsunade was out cold, etc. Naruto told everyone to stay back because he understood that he and Pain were on a different level than everyone else. Remember when Hinata jumps in to help Naruto? She gets her pomegranate wrecked. Another point is that Naruto has sage mode + the kyyubi and did not want to have to worry about hitting his comrades while they try to have a cluster pineapple on Pain.

Naruto owned 5/6 Pain bodies in itself which is extremely pathetic considering he did what an entire village of top class ninjas couldn't do after like a couple hours of training. But when Naruto fights the final Pain body, the one that has the repel/attract body and he's on the ground about to kill, why is it that a single ninja comes to his rescue. And its not like there aren't others there who couldn't help. Kishimoto wasted panels bringing Team Gai there who were at complete full strength and they could've helped. If you took all the ninjas attacking at once against that single guy, there would've of been no logical way he could've won considering there was a 3 second delay in his technique. But apparently the entire village lacks common sense.

Last point, you see every female character as useless? Again, there are examples for an against your point. Tsunade -> best medical ninja in the world and the hokage, Sakura -> same idea, but is working to be even better. Tenten/Ino, yea basically useless. I also don't see Temari as actually that useless though, she was just fighting the strongest Raikage in history.

Overall, opinion about writing is opinion about writing.

As pointed out I said nearly every female ninja is useless. Pay attention to detail. Temari and Hinata.

Nearly Every female as practically committed one of these "crimes":

a) Slobbered over Sasuke
b) Be useless
c) Rendered useless in a lame way
d) All of the Above.

Kishimoto doesn't even hide it when he has Jiraya SPIT on Konan and have her rendered useless.

Also, when someone yells it out loud in front of that you love them and the entire village could see it, you address it at some point at least. Maybe even a small flashback, but the moment they could have, Sakura (the most useless character in the series rivaled only by the Team Snake/Hawk/whatever substitute) steps in and gets in the way. Since then, not a single word about it.

I also like how you have no mention of the ending to the Sasuke vs Deidara ending.

You can call them opinion but you would NOT see these things in decent written works because these things are pathetic and bad writing.

Ah I misunderstood what you meant, I thought you were talking about Sakura admitting her "love" to Naruto, instead of Hinata. Woops. Either way, it wasn't really in earshot of the whole village.

Again, Pain was pretty dam strong and as far as I can tell, nobody in the entire village could stand up to Pain like Naruto could with sage mode + the kyyubi. The rest of the jounins were fighting pain's other bodies, his summons (which cannot die and multiply when you kill them), etc. It wasn't exactly an easy fight and there was a lot of confusion. As I stated above, Naruto didn't want his friends to get in the way and Shikamaru's father took note of this when he told Team Gai to stay out of Naruto's way. He said Naruto was "on a different level now." Btw, Pain's last body has more attacks than just attracting/pulling people, so he is still pretty pineappleing dangerous.

I don't understand why you think Sakura is useless? She is currently the best medical ninja that we know of besides Tsunade or that old woman from the sand (whom is now deceased).

I'm also not sure why the Sasuke vs. Deidara ending needs to be mentioned. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Deidara is losing and decides to self destruct in his greatest work of art thing. To survive, Sasuke summons Orochimaru's snake and controls it with his sharingan and hides inside of it or something like that. He survives, snake dies. Team Hawk comes and saves Sasuke, the end. What was wrong with that fight?

Wow.

You honestly need to go actually read it because your recollection of everything is completely wrong.

And if you couldn't see the problem with the ending for the Sasuke vs Deidara fight then there really is nothing I can do for you.

That ending was the epitome of bad writing.

Lol my recollection of everything is wrong? kk bro.

Unless we are again talking about different things, your last post confuses me.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v40/c363/1.html <- end of sasuke vs. deidara

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v46/c432/9.html <- naruto is too badass for you

Read that and then come talk to me.

Again, Pain was pretty dam strong and as far as I can tell, nobody in the entire village could stand up to Pain like Naruto could with sage mode + the kyyubi. The rest of the jounins were fighting pain's other bodies, his summons (which cannot die and multiply when you kill them), etc. It wasn't exactly an easy fight and there was a lot of confusion. As I stated above, Naruto didn't want his friends to get in the way and Shikamaru's father took note of this when he told Team Gai to stay out of Naruto's way. He said Naruto was "on a different level now." Btw, Pain's last body has more attacks than just attracting/pulling people, so he is still pretty pineappleing dangerous.

Pain blows up entire village.
Pain is beating everyone's ass.
Naruto comes in, saves the day, beats all the summons and 5/6 of the Pain bodies. No one helps because they're told they're be a burden by a slug and telling them to have faith
Last Pain body is successful in pinning Naruto.
No one comes to fucking help Naruto even though they've been sitting there talking for God knows how long except Hinata eventually.

ONLY Hinata! When Naruto is sitting there pinned on the ground helpless and about to be capture. Sure should sit there and have faith! Not plan a unison attack to take advantage of the 5 second delay between his technique which everyone should know about by now considering Chouji acquired the info and told the Slug!

Nope, sit on their asses and just have faith. And while we're at it, lets waste pages with a cliffhanger on Team Gai, fan favorites just to have them be told to sit still and have faith! Wonderful. Side characters reduced to cameos.


Now back to the Sasuke vs Deidara because you can't the glaring fault in it. Not including Lightning > Earth crap.

Sasuke and Deidara are not even 10 meters away from each other. Both of them are panting, nearly physically and chakra exhausted when Deidara decides to use his last ditch move! A self destruction which covers a blast radius of 10 kilometers! Taking a look at the blast, it reaches its full length fairly fast so you can imagine just how unbelievably insanely fast it reached the 10 meter mark. You don't need College level physics education to figure that out.

Yet somehow in that short SHORT amount of time (presumably a second at most!), Sasuke manages to Summon the most powerful Snake summon, illusion it with the Sharingan, get it to swallow him, and then de-summon/hide him somewhere in another dimension or something. All within an instant! Nevermind the fact that several of those things would take massive amounts of power to do, despite the fact that he was once again, exhausted!

The second he gets his blindfold off he uses Susanoo with an Amaterasu sword, wtp?

Both Itachi and Kakashi have admitted they have lower than normal charka levels, Sasuke should have at least normal or above normal charka levels which isn't that unbelieveable. With Itachi being a naturally God-like gifted ninja when it came to most everything maybe Sasuke is also naturally gifted with God-like charka.

Also, if I am remembering correctly besides having lower than normal charka levels Itachi was also dying from something which could have made it where he could only use Susanoo and all his skills in fact a little number of times.


I totally know that some of the stuff Sasuke has pulled off in the past has been kind of out there, and I am not really defending him. But I can see where it is possible for him to do some of the things he does. Even the Amaterasu sword with Susanoo isn't that far out there for me, but maybe I am just too willing to believe and should just shut up.

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Ok I see your point, but you really can't apply physics to Naruto when there are people standing on water, flying around launching lazers and fuzing with giant monsters destroying mountains. I'm going to go with Sasuke is just a beast and had that last card up his sleeve.

And yes, some of the stronger more talented leaf ninja should have helped Naruto after Pain pinned him down, but a lot of them were wounded while more of them were dead. I think they believed in Naruto and decided to let him handle it, considering he told them to. Btw, that slug works for Tsunade, so it does have some influence. If you are saying that they should have helped Naruto before Pain pinned him, we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

The second he gets his blindfold off he uses Susanoo with an Amaterasu sword, wtp?

It's cause the major problem with the Mangekyou was that it causes blindness. If you have the eternal Mangekyou, you can use it as much as you want as long as you have the chakra to sustain it. Considering Sasuke has a load of chakra due to the curse mark, it's not farfetched to say that he can pretty much keep the mangekyou on for an entire battle.

Edit: NVM, he lost the curse mark. He still has a ton of chakra though.