Poor Wii U.

That sounds unfortunate for nintendo. They've always been like 3 steps behind in technology compared to Microsoft and Sony, but now their trump card for their new system was essentially taken and added upon. They need to make a severe update to the Wii U or their 3DS part 2 revamp (inevitable). If anything they should make the Wii U controller like an iPad. That on it;s own would probably sell millions. I mean the damned thing is already as large as an iPad, might as well do it right?

Then add some 4g and have a facetime/google chat deal where you can do, what is essentially, webcamming (it is in it's functionality afterall). I think it's too late for them though. Maube they should delay their Wii U to make it even better- Auto update to blu-ray or something and make it play GC games too (but that may add onto the size of the home console, but it's at home, so who cares?).

Which is why he's saying trophies and achievments aren't necessary since you can make your own. The only reason they exist is because people want to show them off.

But that's wrong because as I said, I don't show them off. Most people don't look at other peoples trophies either. There may be some part of people that wants to show them off but it's not actually happening that way (unless you have one of those signatures that shows your trophy progress on forums).

In reality achievements are used for personal goals. On the basest level they are an accomplishment checklist. And even if the only reason you're doing something is to get a trophy there's ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that because you're still doing it. You can't fault someone for needing a reason to explore some elements of games. Hell, there are things I've learned about games solely because there are trophies and it's not like I don't explore, it's because some stuff is so damn random or requires such ridiculous prerequisites.

Anything that keeps me playing a good game longer is a good thing. Faulting people for needing incentive to do something is such a shitty elitist attitude that makes you worse than anyone who's doing something just to brag.

Hand-held to system connectivity has existed before...

Unless it features some sort of connectivity between Vita games and PS3 games, it's just another god damn gimmick.

GIMMICKS FOREVER.

Come on, Nintendo, get it together! No more gimmicks, I just want fresh new game!

Put disc into console. Achievement unlocked!

Anything that keeps me playing a good game longer is a good thing. Faulting people for needing incentive to do something is such a pomegranatety elitist attitude that makes you worse than anyone who's doing something just to brag.

I don't see how. But okay.

The definition of a good game is something you'll fire up every once in a while just to play. You don't need a reason to. You just enjoy it. That's real replay value. Achievement systems are just an excuse for developers to make their games seem bigger. This is especially true in your case since you don't even care about showing off your trophies.

I don't see how. But okay.

The definition of a good game is something you'll fire up every once in a while just to play. You don't need a reason to. You just enjoy it. That's real replay value. Achievement systems are just an excuse for developers to make their games seem bigger. This is especially true in your case since you don't even care about showing off your trophies.

Well, to be clear, I haven't once stated that trophies add replay value because in most cases that simply isn't true, though games like Catherine do reward you with trophies for multiple endings. But typically they're about extended play and full exposure. I agree that a great game is one that you replay on occasion just because you love it.

The reason what you're saying makes you elitist is that you're suggesting that your reasons for going above and beyond in games are somehow more noble simply because you aren't being rewarded for doing it.

I'm pretty sure Nintendo's stance on Achievements are that 3rd parties can put them in their games but they won't have a system like Microsoft or Sony does. I mean, it's not like Nintendo games haven't had these things before. A lot of the latest Nintendo games have "achievements" in the form of extra content. You collect all the coins and you get a new world. I feel like devs should work more on rewarding certain feats through added gameplay instead of some little banner that pops up on a user page. And honestly, a lot of achievements are ridiculously stupid for some games.

Achievement systems give you ideas for things to do to extend the replay value of a game. You can make up your own achievements but there's absolutely nothing wrong with the game developers giving you ideas.

Why would you want to take a predetermined challenge in a game when you can just make stuff up for yourself to do for fun on it? Unless you find extremely random crap fun that a computer tells you to do, I would rather do things I want to instead of do something a computer says just to get a meaningless "trophy".

If you need motivation to do it it's probably not that fun to begin with.

Oh no! Sony made a system that cost over 500 dollars to play games on your portable instead of your TV oh no! Nintendo is screwed they totally don't have a better system at all its completely inferior in all aspects, and they don't have backing of multiple third parties who are famous for graphically intense games and they totally don't own Mario,Zelda,Metroid,and Kirby obviously. They are so pathetic huh?

I am seriously bored today..

Why would you want to take a predetermined challenge in a game when you can just make stuff up for yourself to do for fun on it? Unless you find extremely random crap fun that a computer tells you to do, I would rather do things I want to instead of do something a computer says just to get a meaningless "trophy".

If you need motivation to do it it's probably not that fun to begin with.

Oh no! Sony made a system that cost over 500 dollars to play games on your portable instead of your TV oh no! Nintendo is screwed they totally don't have a better system at all its completely inferior in all aspects, and they don't have backing of multiple third parties who are famous for graphically intense games and they totally don't own Mario,Zelda,Metroid,and Kirby obviously. They are so pathetic huh?

I am seriously bored today..

Quoting for posterity, juuuuuust in case he (rightfully) regrets making it later. Everyone should see what a truly terrible post with no base within the topic at hand looks like.

Just to make this post constructive: no one said that Nintendo will fail or that they're screwed. The news is definitely influential, because as someone with only one TV, I thought the idea of transmitting your console play to a handheld screen was brilliant when the Wii U was announced. I watch a lot of prime time television (House <3) and have to stop playing a game because of it. So this was very appealing to me. However, as the Playstation brand carries more titles that I enjoy and has way more third party support than Nintendo, and the fact that I already own a PS3, this piece of information about the Vita is incredibly influential in what I will buy next. Not only will I get the support I could look forward to from the Wii U on a cheaper piece of hardware in connection with hardware I currently own but it's far more certain that games that appeal to me will be appearing on that hardware.

Also most of Nintendo's first party titles, like the ones you've mentioned, have only one good release every few years. If I'm paying big money for something, I certainly expect more consistency than that.

Sometimes achievements clue you into places and objects you never knew were there.

Sometimes game FAQs clue you into places and objects you never knew were there.

Sometimes game FAQs clue you into places and objects you never knew were there.

Because everyone uses FAQs right? Boy, being walked through a game is way more fun than having a hint that there's something I haven't seen yet and then pursuing it. Your arguments about why trophies aren't worthwhile are awful.

I'm saying you can get a hint from wherever on the internet, whether it be a detailed walkthrough, or some post on a forum. It doesn't have to come from the dev anymore. I would honestly get my interest piqued a lot more if I accidentally stumbled upon something, rather than seeing there's an achievement for it. I didn't go back to Chrono Trigger DS and go through the Lost Sanctum and Dimensional Vortex because there was an achievement for it. I didn't feel good about myself or have a "Aha!" moment when I beat Dalton in the Dimensional Vortex and he made a reference to Chrono Cross because there was an achievement for it. Likewise for the Time Devourer. I did it because I was curious and wanted to do everything I could do in that particular game. If there was an achievement system back then, people wouldn't go back to play Chrono Cross because there's an achievement for finding certain characters or getting certain techs.

You also can't deny that, like I said before, achievements were made not to expand game play, but to enlarge online egos. Otherwise, they wouldn't put it on your gamertag or whatever and instead just have the game itself record the achievement on an extras menu.

Besides hinting at secrets, there isn't any real value in achievements, especially when a lot of them involve doing something mundane

The entire internet is one giant "Online Ego" fest, so I don't get why we're alienating Achievements out of place.

I'm saying you can get a hint from wherever on the internet, whether it be a detailed walkthrough, or some post on a forum. It doesn't have to come from the dev anymore. I would honestly get my interest piqued a lot more if I accidentally stumbled upon something, rather than seeing there's an achievement for it. I didn't go back to Chrono Trigger DS and go through the Lost Sanctum and Dimensional Vortex because there was an achievement for it. I didn't feel good about myself or have a "Aha!" moment when I beat Dalton in the Dimensional Vortex and he made a reference to Chrono Cross because there was an achievement for it. Likewise for the Time Devourer. I did it because I was curious and wanted to do everything I could do in that particular game. If there was an achievement system back then, people wouldn't go back to play Chrono Cross because there's an achievement for finding certain characters or getting certain techs.

You also can't deny that, like I said before, achievements were made not to expand game play, but to enlarge online egos. Otherwise, they wouldn't put it on your gamertag or whatever and instead just have the game itself record the achievement on an extras menu.

Besides hinting at secrets, there isn't any real value in achievements, especially when a lot of them involve doing something mundane

Well, to be clear, I haven't once stated that trophies add replay value because in most cases that simply isn't true, though games like Catherine do reward you with trophies for multiple endings. But typically they're about extended play and full exposure. I agree that a great game is one that you replay on occasion just because you love it.

The reason what you're saying makes you elitist is that you're suggesting that your reasons for going above and beyond in games are somehow more noble simply because you aren't being rewarded for doing it.

There's that elitism I was talking about. It doesn't matter that you feel you don't need trophies to search for things, some other people might, and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact you want to go hunt around for secrets or that you are okay with looking at gamefaqs to find out what else is out there doesn't somehow make your achievement more valuable than someone who does it for a trophy. Get off your high horse.

Fact is, regardless of motivation, be it "e-peen" (god this is such a stupid argument. How is people showing off their achievements any worse than you bragging about them?) or just wanting verification that they've full explored a game, there's no reason good reason to suggest they're somehow an unnecessary part of gaming. They don't hurt anyone, they increase appeal, and they promote longevity. They are the best thing that has happened to gaming in recent years. Whether you choose to collect them or not is your business but quit acting like you're somehow better for not needing that incentive. I do all of that same bullpomegranate you're gloating about for no reward but I still prefer the trophy system because it makes it more fun for me.

If you have nothing nice to say leave me alone please.

Achievements are boring mostly, finding glitches is awesome and funny at times kind of like it better. The thread title is extremely misleading due to the fact there's nothing wrong with the Wii U. Most of the consoles have the same features with small variances it does not matter if the playstation vita can act like a Wii U controller for the ps3, and achievments are just a random bonus from developers to get people to play the game in different ways which can be horribly stupid or nice. Though I would rather have bonuses in game for doing certain things instead of a digital trophy.

nothing is black and white again.

Can we say Nintendo's will be the new betamax yet?

Fact is, regardless of motivation, be it "e-peen" (god this is such a stupid argument. How is people showing off their achievements any worse than you bragging about them?) or just wanting verification that they've full explored a game, there's no reason good reason to suggest they're somehow an unnecessary part of gaming. They don't hurt anyone, they increase appeal, and they promote longevity. They are the best thing that has happened to gaming in recent years. Whether you choose to collect them or not is your business but quit acting like you're somehow better for not needing that incentive. I do all of that same bullpomegranate you're gloating about for no reward but I still prefer the trophy system because it makes it more fun for me.

Fine there isn't anything wrong with having them there, admitedly. My issue with achievements has always been that I felt it's an escape on the developpers part, a lazy way out. Instead of having some in game side quest or some in game incentive to doing something, they have this banner go off which gives you an arbitrary number of points that mean absolutely nothing.