How do you negotiate for stuff that have momentary value?

Whenever I try to negotiate with someone for a trade with momentary value, i just fail horribly.

I can argue very well with my teacher for more marks on my test, but when it comes up with something that have momentary value, i just fail horribly.

Ever since I was a kid, I never get any money, my parents would buy stuff for me, but i was allowed to hold money until when i was 12. When I was 12, yugioh became the most popular game. When trade cards and stuff, I always gets ripped off (unless i'm trading some kids who's 5 years younger than me) The thing is, I don't know how to negotiate, I always offer high and higher for something i want. And i'm afraid for the trade to be unsuccessful.

Similar thing happened when I started playing maplestory, I get ripped off all the time (except when i trade noobs) I always buy high sell low, but I can't help it, because when I buy, i really need the item, and when I sell, i really need mesos.

When i got my job, I'm getting paid for $9.50/ hour while most others get $10.00/hour or even $11.00/hour, there is only 1 person beside me that's getting $9.50/hour. The thing is, when I find the job on the ad, it says the job was $10-12/hour. I wanted to speak to my boss about raising it, but i never find a good time to talk about it, and in the past almost 4 month, I still haven't talked about it with my boss.

Yesterday, I was at this mall with my friend. (it has the nickname black market, and sells all the pirated stuff, mainly imported from China) The reason we came to the store was to buy Chinese Chess for the Chinese Chess club in our school (I'm VP). so the chess sets was $3 each, and we decided to buy 8 of them. that's $24 in total. While I was looking in my wallet for the money, my friend spoke in Chinese with cashier about how they are buying 8 sets so make it $20 instead. The manager was next to the cashier and said no. but my friend kept on pressing, and in the end the manager said $22. I was quite surprised that how he saved $2 just by negotiating for 1 minute. I know it's just $2, but I'm quite impressed with how he just did it with 1min of talk.

First, when you trade, you are impatient. Your "need" for the item and your fear that you might not get the item drives you on and makes it difficult for you to negotiate.

Second, you are afraid of the consequences that may arise from your arguing, most notably, in your case, awkwardness and embarrassment from potentially losing the argument. You are too wary of how the storekeeper or your boss would think of you.

You are not afraid of negotiating with your teacher because you've got nothing to lose there. Teachers nowadays are basically there to serve the student, even if unintended, and if unsuccessful, you can complain and whine about the teacher with little consequence.

Well, at least that was how I saw it.

You meant 'monetary' value, right?

@topic: It's okay, you're not the only one.

You're probably just an idiot.

ok, i logged onto maple today just to practice my "negotiation" skills, I kinda already quitted maple so i have nothing to lose. So I try to buy something for low price in FM, but did not suceed, all the ppl I tried to negotiate always refers to the price they are selling it for, and will not go lower... summary: no trade today...

Hmmm about your job payment, getting payed a bit less then others who do the same work, can have it's advantages too!

If your boss wants to get rid of one of his employees to save on costs, people with higher payment are more "usefull" to be kicked out then people who earn less...

Also, if you're getting payed less then others, your boss can't demand too much of you (working overhours). Because if he starts asking too much of you, you could ceise that moment for talking about a higher payment too!

So, about lower payment... it also can have it's advantages!

P.S. About negociating skills and maple, don't forget that maple consists of 95% retards who claim all sorts of prices, just because it's true, because an imaginary lvl 180 said so.... :')

wait a few more months to ask for a raise.

to practice negotiating, play poker (for free on myspace/facebook) or in real life with some friends.

you'll learn how to raise easily, which can help with negotiating.

um for my job, it's all scheduled up, we have just enough ppl, and no1 have to work overtime, and no1 will get fired unless they messed up big time. However if I even quit right now, any other person can easily take over the job, cause many ppl are complaining they are working too less.

The thing is that the manager doesn't want to fire anyone, because in summer is when everybody will go busy and work almost everyday, and the manager will go crazy trying to hire more ppl, but not many applies (I made $2,500 in the 2 month of summer) now i'm only getting like $300/month...

playing poker is not about negotiating, it's about bluffs (which i'm pretty good at) I have 100k on my facebook account (i only played in the month of May before I quitted facebook, too many stalkers...)

it's stupid, I'm good at arguing, bluffing, and everything else related to negotiating. but just not negotiating.

Aw man.. haggling is so fun. I was at Cancun last month, and pretty much everyone in Mexico will haggle (Even if there's a set price). I haggled some cheap ass necklace that was up for 25 dollars down to the four dollars it was worth. I talked with this nervous motherf'ucker for an HOUR. I kept bringing up how a necklace of this material wasn't worth jack sh'it, and he eventually ran out of ways to back himself up. Eventually, he agreed to lower down the price by four more dollars if I went to the lounge area of the hotel and got him a cheeseburger (Not even kidding; food in the hotel I was at was free so I got that little b'itch the burger he didn't deserve).
Got myself this little necklace that could be picked up at any Ron Jon Surf Shop for like 4 bucks. Feels good man.

Anyways, it's all about keeping a straight face, knowing what you're talking about, and staying calm and fluent in your speaking. Never pause or make it seem like you lost your words, and always look that f'ucker straight in the eye like he just made a joke about your mother and if he doesn't give you what you want you're going to kill off members of his family one by one. Basically, just come up with lies and put up a convincing bravado.

aw man.. Haggling is so fun. I was at cancun last month, and pretty much everyone in mexico will haggle (even if there's a set price). I haggled some cheap ass necklace that was up for 25 dollars down to the four dollars it was worth. I talked with this nervous motherf'ucker for an hour. I kept bringing up how a necklace of this material wasn't worth jack sh'it, and he eventually ran out of ways to back himself up. Eventually, he agreed to lower down the price by four more dollars if i went to the lounge area of the hotel and got him a cheeseburger (not even kidding; food in the hotel i was at was free so i got that little b'itch the burger he didn't deserve).
Got myself this little necklace that could be picked up at any ron jon surf shop for like 4 bucks. Feels good man.

Anyways, it's all about keeping a straight face, knowing what you're talking about, and staying calm and fluent in your speaking. Never pause or make it seem like you lost your words, and always look that f'ucker straight in the eye like he just made a joke about your mother and if he doesn't give you what you want you're going to kill off members of his family one by one. Basically, just come up with lies and put up a convincing bravado.

god damns all liars

It is not good to lie.

Haggling is easy. Never beg. No matter how much you want something, stay cool and keep like you're onnly casually interested in what's being sold. Think about what the other person is thinking, as well. If someone is too willing to lower a price, it was originally overpriced and you're not lowering it enough. Other than that, there's not much to say other than practice. It's a skill you learn through experience.

Anyways, it's all about keeping a straight face, knowing what you're talking about, and staying calm and fluent in your speaking. Never pause or make it seem like you lost your words, and always look that f'ucker straight in the eye like he just made a joke about your mother and if he doesn't give you what you want you're going to kill off members of his family one by one. Basically, just come up with lies and put up a convincing bravado.

Eh, charm works a lot better than scaring the pineapple out of people, in my experience. Unless you're working for the mob or something.

Psh, no way. You gotta let them know you're serious. Being all charmy and nodding in agreement and sh'it like that is what's going to make them think you're some pushover who just wants things to end with both sides happy.

F'uck no sir, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE HAPPY. Therefore you've got to let that b'itch know that you mean business, and make it seem like if he doesn't comply after a couple of pricedrops, you'll just walk away and not seem to give half a sh'it.

I can sympathise with your situation. I myself am not very pushy when it comes to haggling or negotiating, I usually do what the other person wants to make things quick and easy for everyone, but there is a few things I have observed even if I do not practice them myself.

Confidence is everything. You need to go in from the very start thinking that you will acheive your goal. You know what you want, you deserve it, and you will get it. I know that may sound pompous but that is the state of mind that is needed. When haggling, if you show a sign of weakness or relent, your opponent will see it as an oppertunity for them to take advantage.

Like someone previously said, playing poker may help you, because a lot of the time haggling involves bluffing. Have you ever went into FM in MS to sell something and had a merchant say something like "Oh I bought that much cheaper from someone this morning."? You don't know for sure whether they did or not, but mentally you are thinking "Maybe I should drop my price a little." Psyching yourself up is key to winning those kinds of mind games.

Though personally I try to avoid it all. I don't particularly like how ruthless and manipulative people become where money is involved. >.<

The main problem i see with haggling in maple, is that too many people are way too impatient, or see the initial offer as far absolute, because so many people deal in absolutes.
I once traded someone, they showed me an item(i think it was a White Versal Materia) I offered 20mil or so, they canceled immediately. I found them, and retraded, and asked for their counter-offer. They counter offered 21mil.

5% Difference in price, and this person wouldnt even haggle.

Most of the time, im more worried that someone is just going to cancel immediately, because unlike in real life, its slightly harder to tell the key information about a person. If some well known level 150 NL trades you, you are more likely to give them a good deal then a level 12 mule you see, even if the same person is controlling the account. You have to take into account not just the items worth, but the person you are dealing with, whether they seem to actually know the value of the things they have, whether they seem desperate to get mesos, or on the buying end, get the item. Truth be told, one of the approaches that pisses me off the most is the overly detatched approach, which some merchants will use if they have limited competition on a particular item. You trade them, they offer, and when you try to counter offer, they cancel, and will make it seem like they can get whatever you are selling elsewhere, easier then from you.

Honestly, haggling is all about, as a book i described says it, the seller opens with a ridiculously high offer, then you counter with equally ridiculously low counter offer, and it goes back and forth till you meet in the middle

But how low should you offer? Offer too low and the person wont think you are taking them seriously, offer too high and you risk spending more then you wanted when they offer back.

Poker is a good idea to improve your skills, but only RL poker, played for whatever, so long as its played with people you dont know that well(playing against your best friend wont help you get better at reading people).

And for Yu-Gi-Oh? I used to play that game too, some people got angry with me and a few of my friends, because we always tried NOT ripping off noobs, and thus allowed them to realize what their cards were worth. Oh well, one of my other friends still made around $1k a month uptrading and reselling the cards. Which is ridiculous, imo.