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Everyone could've won if they had reduced the drop rate for the GM scrolls from the beginning. People would still buy a decent amount of tickets at their shot to get GM scrolls, rich or semi-rich players could still take advantage of the availability of GM scrolls, and players that wanted to farm GT could still make a good amount of money. The problem wasn't having GM scrolls drop, it was the frequency with which they dropped.

If the buyer was smart enough, he would have checked the scroll before pressing accept, so its all buyer's fault accepting the trade w/o checking the scroll. just stop trying.

Sounds like people are defending themselves for ripping people off so they don't feel guilty.

Nope. I'm saying just because you caught someone not being careful does not make you in the right

But catching someone (a seller) not being careful does? I might just go into the marvelous MTS and fabulous free market deals thread and go call everyone scammers.

Such two-facedness on this. (i agree on the lol @ the moral issue though)

No, it's the seller's fault when they create an illusion of a good deal.

See my quote in your last post. (inb4 annoying response saying you did)

When people price 10% scrolls in a range that better suits 100% scrolls, that's a scam.

No, it's pro merchanting.

If the seller prices an item at an unintended discount, it is an entirely different scenario.

Of course it's a different scenario. If it wasn't it would be the same scenario.

There is no rush when it comes to selling. That is, there is no missed opportunity.

That's complete BS. Proof as to why is in this event. GM scrolls dropping! Oh no, i got one now what! Sell asap before they deflate to half what they're currently worth!

>This is too stupid for me to respond to so I am going to respond to it.

Awesome job bro!

But then how will octopus know his condescending giga argument drill breaker was received or not?!

>This is too stupid for me to respond to so I am going to respond to it.

Awesome job bro!

Alright fine, let me say what I meant to say, "this is too stupid for an actual response, that deals with the contents of the above quoted post"

You say that when the seller puts in an incorrect keystroke, therefore resulting in a very low price for a high price item, and a loss of money for them, it is their fault, but when a low price item is sold at a high price, and the buyer doesn't take the time to even look at the item, which takes 1-3 seconds, it isn't their fault?

This is literally too stupid for me to respond to.

But since I already typed the words i guess i'll do it anyway.

Nope. I'm saying just because you caught someone not being careful does not make you in the right (remember the person who started this was trying to make it a moral issue. which honestly my real response is just lol.).

If you really aren't getting this (you aren't) I'd happily elaborate the concept to you, including the moral void of accidents, provided you don't insult my intelligence over my choice to convey an argument (which other people both understood and saw the validity of) in a semi-humorous way.

Or, more simply, get off your f'ucking high horse.

But catching someone (a seller) not being careful does? I might just go into the marvelous MTS and fabulous free market deals thread and go call everyone scammers.

Like i said i don't actually care about the morality or really see it as present. I was only not ok with chicols defense of his actions from a moral stance and based on poor reasoning. And that fact that he is lying to himself. I mean he tried to lie to us as well but it obviously didn't work on me and i can't speak for anyone else. You can extend that it is "morally" wrong to even buy a mispriced item. If i did actually tie morality to such things i'd say it is a more complicated situation, and that most of the fault does lie with the seller. But in a perfectly moral ideal world no one would buy it. I could also argue that that level of morality is suspended inside the free market by mutual understanding and done so openly and plainly. Seeing as a divine power is not running maple story (even if one compares nexon to a divine power, they are hardly handing us down a solid sheet of morals to go by) It follows logically that all morality in the game is social contract. Meaning the suspended morality within the FM allows one to buy mispriced items whether mispriced out of ignorance or rush, or a simple missed keystroke, without it being a moral issue.

But again, not actually the point.

Double bulls'hit. Dual Blade is NOT A PAY-TO-PLAY CLASS NO MATTER HOW MANY TIME YOU SAY AS SUCH. And if anything KMS told them to do it since KMS wanted it to be a limited class in the first place. AND NEED I REMIND YOU HOW KMS WAS THE FIRST VERSION TO PUT MASTERY BOOKS IN THE CASH SHOP?

So don't blame GMS for that s'hit, bro.

You know what's cute? The way you went all caps lock crazy trying to argue a point I never made.

Protip: I never said Dual Blade. That would be moronic.
Random trivia: Dual Blades were the first, and only, class in KMS to have NX skill books.

See my quote in your last post. (inb4 annoying response saying you did)

I've read all of your posts. Not one has said anything to meaningfully contradict what I said.

No, it's pro merchanting.

So it's 'merchanting' in a game, but illegal in real life. Got it.

Of course it's a different scenario. If it wasn't it would be the same scenario. :

You're adorable when you don't have anything real to say.

That's complete BS. Proof as to why is in this event. GM scrolls dropping! Oh no, i got one now what! Sell asap before they deflate to half what they're currently worth!

What a contradiction.
You're asserting that someone trying to make all the money he can would undercut himself.

Alright fine, let me say what I meant to say, "this is too stupid for an actual response, that deals with the contents of the above quoted post"

Good boy! Make sure to say that from now on.

You know what's cute? The way you went all caps lock crazy trying to argue a point I never made.

CAPS LOCK? I WENT SHIFT KEY THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Anyway, very often I completely forget Evans even exist since they are so worthless. So that is my bad.

But, they still got the idea from KMS since KMS did it first.

From the posts on the nexon forums, it seems as though a good amount of players want the gm scrolls
to stay in golden temple.

But will nexon consider it after announcing the change?

This is literally too stupid for me to respond to.

But since I already typed the words i guess i'll do it anyway.

Nope. I'm saying just because you caught someone not being careful does not make you in the right (remember the person who started this was trying to make it a moral issue. which honestly my real response is just lol.).

If you really aren't getting this (you aren't) I'd happily elaborate the concept to you, including the moral void of accidents, provided you don't insult my intelligence over my choice to convey an argument (which other people both understood and saw the validity of) in a semi-humorous way.

Or, more simply, get off your f'ucking high horse.

Oh we are swearing now? XD these arguments always get so heated.

Needless to say, in life people will always be trying to rip you off in one way or another, and others will be sincere, it is up to the buyer, to see to it that he/she knows what she is buying and that it is a good deal, you can't expect to trust every random person who sells you something. And while scamming might be morally wrong, and the scammer is therefore wrong, they did not force you to buy that item, it was your own mistake, so just because they gave you the opportunity to make a mistake, doesn't mean no fault lies with the scammed.

Also that original argument when you replaced scammer with the word hacker, was not clever, and did not logically fit, so yes it was retarded.

Good boy! Make sure to say that from now on.

Hey, hey... play nice

From the posts on the nexon forums, it seems as though a good amount of players want the gm scrolls
to stay in golden temple.

But will nexon consider it after announcing the change?

Highly strongly probably not.

Everyone could've won if they had reduced the drop rate for the GM scrolls from the beginning. People would still buy a decent amount of tickets at their shot to get GM scrolls, rich or semi-rich players could still take advantage of the availability of GM scrolls, and players that wanted to farm GT could still make a good amount of money. The problem wasn't having GM scrolls drop, it was the frequency with which they dropped.

Congratulations, you won the thread.

But, they still got the idea from KMS since KMS did it first.

That doesn't at all change my original suggestion that GMS has no problem making its customers jump through hoops as long as it makes the numbers go up, be those numbers profits or concurrent logins.

http://forum.nexon.net/MapleStory/forums...px#7821992

"100% scrolls are the ones being removed from the Golden Temple drop list.

There has been a lot of feedback regarding the scrolls and we decided it was for the best to remove it as drops. Whether or whether not these scrolls will make a come back, it hasn't been decided yet.

Thank you!"

Yep, confirmed now.

lol they make it sound like them dropping was intended. We all know that clearly they had no idea they were there.

That doesn't at all change my original suggestion that GMS has no problem making its customers jump through hoops as long as it makes the numbers go up, be those numbers profits or concurrent logins.

Never said they didn't like their money. But, I don't know what we were talking about in the first place. Oh, right.

SURPRISE!

Nexon is a master of surprise. Add the scrolls for a surprise. Take the game down and remove them for a surprise!

Yay!

From the posts on the nexon forums, it seems as though a good amount of players want the gm scrolls
to stay in golden temple.

But will nexon consider it after announcing the change?

That's a losing battle.

Studies have long shown that audiences are more likely to voice a negative reaction than they are to making known a positive reaction.

So they could give everyone 50k NX for free, and the forums would still show a stronger negative reaction than a positive one.

Never said they didn't like their money. But, I don't know what we were talking about in the first place. Oh, right.

SURPRISE!

Nexon is a master of surprise. Add the scrolls for a surprise. Take the game down and remove them for a surprise!

Yay!

And now we're back to me not being sure if I should take you seriously.
Let me try this...

"We reset you SP, but now you're missing 10 points!"
Surprise?

"You needlessly deleted your Jumpstart character to make sure you got the free NX items, but we later had a server check to make sure Jumpstart characters get them too!"
Surprise?

Arguments on southperry are more enjoyable then idiots on basil whining. *Watches*

I knew it was a smart idea to rush-make the weapon. I'm glad I did, for this exact reason.

Well what else are some of us expected to do when maple is down? XDD

Always thought this was a fishy deal so I didn't bother hunting with the 10 free tickets I still have left.

Never said they didn't like their money. But, I don't know what we were talking about in the first place. Oh, right.

SURPRISE!

Nexon is a master of surprise. Add the scrolls for a surprise. Take the game down and remove them for a surprise!

Yay!

Ah, that one finally knocked my sarcasm-detector back into operation.