Signs of Alien PQ coming back?

I didn't know having integrity equated to sitting on a high horse.

Sick of doing everything the hard way? That's life, unless you're so blessed that everything is handed to you on a silver platter.

This isn't life this is a game, this is internet, the integrity don't work here and integrity is something social based so you do the "correct" thing that the society impose and the majority of the society impose that nexon is the worst company ever running a game and that the best thing to survive is doing what is needed to accomplish it and if you don't want to do it, fine don't do it but stop telling people that something is wrong( you aren't going to become a mesias or something like that because this is nothing with a major importance, it only has the importance you give it and let me tell you something if you give it too much then you have a problem sir).

Still an assumption no matter whether you meant a fourth, a third, or even a half.

Ironic you mention that considering you used to do it yourself. It being against the ToS is a surprise to me, though. If you could prove that, it'd be appreciated.

Yeah i'm kind of like rick these days. I don't play that way myself because i have a strong understanding of what i play the game for. But i don't see any point in soapboxing about it anymore either. The mood of the community as a larger part has changed. Exploiters gunna exploit. The longer it stays true the more acceptable to the community as a whole it becomes. I'll play how i play. The community as a whole has no effect on that, even if at one point the community mostly did at one point play how i play.

This, the shift has been sad but there's no point fighting the masses, only makes you look uptight.

Exactly. All Nexon did was remove the portals to access the PQ, they never removed the maps, nor changed a bit of the place whatsoever. I don't why people are surprised that the PQ is still fully functional and whatnot :|

Because apparently people believe that Nexon actually bothers to remove data from the .wz files.
That or they have no idea how the game is structured.

Regardless, an area being accessible does, in no way, prove that it's coming back.
Wasn't Coke Town in the game for the longest time (if it still isn't)?

Still an assumption no matter whether you meant a fourth, a third, or even a half.

Ironic you mention that considering you used to do it yourself. It being against the ToS is a surprise to me, though. If you could prove that, it'd be appreciated.

Yes i know I did, and you did too, so why you are here accusing people that what they are doing is wrong when you did wrong things too? this exploit isnt even a game breaking exploit, as Locked said 1 out of 10 people can do it, and if it drop 1-2 weapon per pq, and you can do it 1 time a day, I dont see how it will affect the game at all.

If people want to abuse it, let them do, if they get banned, they knew it could happen, but judge other people when you already did something wrong is just i forgot the word lol.

Either way it's not a job of any of us to catch glitchers or decide what's bad enough to ban for and what's not. It's the job of Nexon.

Unfortunately they are bad at it.

If people want to abuse it, let them do, if they get banned, they knew it could happen, but judge other people when you already did something wrong is just i forgot the word lol.

Hypocritical.
Not entirely the same situation but someone who speeds breaks the law and someone who kills someone also breaks the law yet one is far worse than the other. There are shades, not everything is black and white.

Well, you have to pick between accusing people for not adhering to the ToS verbatim and telling people they don't have integrity. Because obviously the former can't define the latter.

Integrity, and a mature moral viewpoint in general, isn't following society's laws to the letter, it's rationally thinking about and either respecting or rejecting the basis for those laws. Half of Nexon's are outright retarded, and it's not fair to attack my or anyone else's integrity because they think or behave accordingly.

I'm not concerned about whether or not they've adhered to the ToS word for word. Most, if not all, have KS'd, which is yet another violation. An exploit, as I mentioned before, is an unintentional glitch. Integrity, as I learned it, is the ability to do the right thing even when no one's looking.

This isn't life this is a game, this is internet, the integrity don't work here and integrity is something social based so you do the "correct" thing that the society impose and the majority of the society impose that nexon is the worst company ever running a game and that the best thing to survive is doing what is needed to accomplish it and if you don't want to do it, fine don't do it but stop telling people that something is wrong( you aren't going to become a mesias or something like that because this is nothing with a major importance, it only has the importance you give it and let me tell you something if you give it too much then you have a problem sir).

The internet isn't a safe haven. Reality and virtuality are not so separate that what you do in one won't affect you in the other.

You do not have to abuse an exploit in order to "survive" in MapleStory. You just have to play smart.

Yes i know I did, and you did too, so why you are here accusing people that what they are doing is wrong when you did wrong things too? this exploit isnt even a game breaking exploit, as Locked said 1 out of 10 people can do it, and if it drop 1-2 weapon per pq, and you can do it 1 time a day, I dont see how it will affect the game at all.

If people want to abuse it, let them do, if they get banned, they knew it could happen, but judge other people when you already did something wrong is just i forgot the word lol.

I asked you to prove that it was against the ToS.

Let me add on to this reply. Your last statement is flawed in a way that it took me a while to think of a reply.

There is no real-living saint on this planet right now, so every human being alive and dead has sinned (for lack of a better word). Yet, we all still judge those who kill, steal, what have you. Obviously, we're all hypocrites, but that does not make me worse than yourself or any other person.

Either way it's not a job of any of us to catch glitchers or decide what's bad enough to ban for and what's not. It's the job of Nexon.

Unfortunately they are bad at it.

If it appears like I'm trying to do that, then I'm sorry, because I'm not.

I'm merely trying to be reasonable here. I know, just as most of you here, just how broken MapleStory is. That fact, however, will not persuade me to abuse a glitch, exploit, or what have you, just because I can and will more than likely get away with it.

Shall i spell it out for you? Multiple people in the thread could not tell that, the op included. In fact you commented on the op reacting as if guilty yourself. You failed to note that Shinku also became defensive after your "warning." While i'm (and was) pretty sure you were mainly addressing PirateIzzy ane Chocl. Some of those in the thread clearly could not tell as seen by their reactions. You literally commented on it with one of those people, the OP, and now are trying to defend how crystal clear it was that your warning was not at all threatening and who was addressing was obvious? Haha. Address people directly with warnings or it seems like an open threat. You're penchant for repeating yourself just makes me have to repeat myself. It doesn't like magically change what actually happened in the thread. Blame my comprehension if you wish, but guaging by the reactions to your statements no one actively posting in the the thread caught your intent "properly" or as you say it was (i. e Shinku, Lyrics(was that the OP? i'm relying on my bad comprehension and memory here.).

It does not matter for the OP or anyone else SAVE FOR THOSE WHO WERE ACTUALLY CALLED OUT to notice. For f'uck's sake it was intended to be a subtle reminder. Just because you're dumb doesn't mean PirateIzzy, Chocl and ANYONE ELSE WHO HAD THE IDEA IN THEIR MIND are as well, though I dare not venture a guess myself, just basic logic here.
If they didn't catch it, too f'ucking bad but it's not my business. I did what my conscience told me to do. Even if my audience wasn't quite catching up, it still does not change what I wanted to say and actually said, which is exactly what you DID miss.

Making it any more obvious would defeat the WHOLE goddamned purpose of subtleness.

And why would it matter if I later did call the OP out on being overly defensive? The fact is that I did NOT mean to call him out and did NOT call him out in that exact post I referred to. THAT, buddy, does not change. You chose to dispute THAT and ended up horribly, demonstrably wrong.

The internet isn't a safe haven. Reality and virtuality are not so separate that what you do in one won't affect you in the other.

You do not have to abuse an exploit in order to "survive" in MapleStory. You just have to play smart.

Well i am playing smart by doing it because nexon almost never do something to the people that isn't directly affected by the exploit, remember the chaos scroll exploit anyone who used the scrolls were safe because nexon said that you can keep your scrolled items, the only thing you had to do was drop your chaos scrolls, what a excellent idea (sarcasm), the aran scrolls glitch affected a great amount of merchants, they still didn't nothing, so what let you think that they are going to do something "good" right now, "create fame and go to sleep" (a old moral of a fable from my country), if you do the things wrong a lot of times, people will yhink that what you did no matter how is wrong(even if it isn't).

And about the integrity in the internet, unless you do something bad that directly affect someone invesment, bank accounts, hack companies server (lol PSN) and other, you are not going to suffer on your real life, if nexon ban me thats my problem and i think i have been baned enought without me doing nothing(my lvl 13x sader and my 146 shadower), when they baned my shadower i knew that ToS is stupid and that was years ago. Now i just do what i want, take what i want just like nexon becuase it is free (old nexon slogam).

Absolutely not. I'll always continue to call out jackwagons for being jackwagons for two reasons (even if it makes me look like a "prude")

The first being that there needs to be a voice of reason. I might not be able to stop people but there always needs to be a nagging voice to remind people that what they're doing is wrong. They're ruining the game, not Nexon. Anyone can argue that the game is already ruined but as long as people continue to abuse exploits NOTHING CAN CHANGE. Nexon can't do anything as long as the masses continue to take advantage of pomegranate like this. The game COULD improve if people didn't pineappleing take advantage of every god damn exploit that comes along like it's nothing. It's like setting a house on fire every time they start to to rebuild.

The second being attached to the last which is that I lose my ability to justly criticize Nexon's wrong-doing when I knowingly do wrong. You can't talk pomegranate about someone kicking you while you're kicking someone else. Nexon does a lot of stupid pomegranate and I like to call them out on it, just like I like to call out the people here who do wrong. I can't do that if I participate. I can't do that "occasionally" if I just shrug it off most of the time.

At this point, though, the user-base is entirely at fault for Maple's degradation. You people are a pineappleing plague.

Sarah's right. Never in my years have I seen a community where it's actually OK to break the rules and that the hackers are the good guys and the ones who tries to bust the hackers are the bad guys and in the end, blame Nexon. How degraded and corrupted have our community fallen to is amazing. Like Sarah, I remain the voice of reason and not fall for this disgrace.

We always knew VPQ was coming back..NEXON said it themselves. Also this technically is considered an exploit. It was closed off for a reason because NEXON didn't want people to abuse the wonderful pq.

Well i am playing smart by doing it because nexon almost never do something to the people that isn't directly affected by the exploit, remember the chaos scroll exploit anyone who used the scrolls were safe because nexon said that you can keep your scrolled items, the only thing you had to do was drop your chaos scrolls, what a excellent idea (sarcasm), the aran scrolls glitch affected a great amount of merchants, they still didn't nothing, so what let you think that they are going to do something "good" right now, "create fame and go to sleep" (a old moral of a fable from my country), if you do the things wrong a lot of times, people will yhink that what you did no matter how is wrong(even if it isn't).

And about the integrity in the internet, unless you do something bad that directly affect someone invesment, bank accounts, hack companies server (lol PSN) and other, you are not going to suffer on your real life, if nexon ban me thats my problem and i think i have been baned enought without me doing nothing(my lvl 13x sader and my 146 shadower), when they baned my shadower i knew that ToS is stupid and that was years ago. Now i just do what i want, take what i want just like nexon becuase it is free (old nexon slogam).

You have a rather amusing view of how things work.

Funny how polarizing these discussions always become.
Tends to be moral absolution against those who have sided with anarchy.

I have no intent of abusing the VPQ (since I already have the sword I intend to use for a while), but I find myself wondering:
Is a law a law if it isn't enforced?

When it comes to Maple, I used to be more of a moral absolutist.
I still lean in that direction, but I fall into the category that is becoming tired of constantly feeling righteously indignant. It's not worth the energy, so I've resigned myself to becoming apathetic.
While I still do not actively support these exploits, I find a hard to completely condemn those who take advantage of such exploits when there are very overt hackers allowed to run around freely.

I guess you'd say that my view of Maplestory has become morally relativistic.
While I'd love for Nexon to step up and draw a line in the sand, they have not.
They've promised to fix things, but they've shown zero signs that they're making an effort.

So I'll send in my daily reports, but I've decided to otherwise ignore the ToS-breaking actions of other players.
If they're violating the rights of another player, I'll make a fuss, but everyone is playing they're own game at this point.

Reality and virtuality are not so separate that what you do in one won't affect you in the other.

What a nonsensical, unbased statement.

I've used cheat devices in plenty of games in the past, but I haven't in Maplestory.
If what I've done in games hasn't affected what I do in other games, then I think it's quite a leap to assume that what someone does in a game is going to affect what they do in life.

Sarah's right. Never in my years have I seen a community where it's actually OK to break the rules and that the hackers are the good guys and the ones who tries to bust the hackers are the bad guys and in the end, blame Nexon. How degraded and corrupted have our community fallen to is amazing. Like Sarah, I remain the voice of reason and not fall for this disgrace.

Yes, I assure you that you have.

See, the problem with your post is that you're using the word 'community' but then describing the beliefs of individuals.

I would say that it's very much inaccurate to say that a majority of Maplestory players, or even users on Southperry, think that "the hackers are the good guys." In fact, no one in this thread has echoed that sentiment.

However, I'll follow my assumption that your post was intended only as overly dramatic tripe, and I suppose I should excuse it.

What a nonsensical, unbased statement.

I've used cheat devices in plenty of games in the past, but I haven't in Maplestory.
If what I've done in games hasn't affected what I do in other games, then I think it's quite a leap to assume that what someone does in a game is going to affect what they do in life.

That's a rather big leap of assumption as well, just saying.
I'll rebold for your convenience.

If what I've done in games hasn't affected what I do in other games, then I think it's quite a leap to assume that what someone does in a game is going to affect what they do in life.

You have a rather amusing view of how things work.

Lol and you think this is my form of view of how things work in my life?, this is just my point of view at nexon and its incompetence, in serious things (aka real life things) is faaar better be nice and have integrity but in maple story is no worth it.

my POV here:

doing this PQ is wrong, no other way to say it, now, i was like sarah, five years ago, the worst hacking we saw was vac+god mode, those people where despised, hated, and shunned by the comunity, it was a much less accepting community, fast forward to now, where hackers flaunt more than peacocs, where the FM is run by hackers, and don't you dare say no, almost every good item in the game has been duped, if you want to perfect a weapon, you'll use exploited 50% with duped white scrolls, and probably the guy that sold you that VIP spear to buy also duped it. let me tell you this, i surfed the FM the other day, a shop had the title "S>Cygnus equips" very legit.

that's the problem with the community, it's been + years of hackers getting progressively better, while nexon gets progressively worse, and every legit knows that either they take advantage and "leech" of the hackers (in one way or another) or simply stay weak.

now, don't misread that "leech" i mean leech as in buying white scrolls for example, they have been duped to the extent thast the probably to get one that is legit, is almost zero. if you abuse the crashes they use to dupe to do some duping yourself, that's a whole different kind of wrong.

that's where this PQ comes in, IMO, it's worse than WS's, but not worse than duping, where you draw your "that's it" line is up to everyone. i won't deny seeing hackers take advantage of hack after hack has given me a "sigh, who cares anymore" but if nexon showed that they cared, and banned the people that actually destroy the community and the game, well that would be a different story.

heck, i've been trying to get my pictures into the nexon forum to alert them of this and let them choose what to do, the site seems glitched to me though so i think imma message cujo.

anyways,the game is wrong because there was people like sarah, hackers came in, nexon did nothing, and most moved to a "rick" attittude, like dpeterlin and me for example.

also, it's getting annoying how people are whisping me ingame to abuse this too, got so many requests of "pq with me" you'd be surprised, this sentence has nothing to do with the rest though.

3rd tier statless weapons from a pq most still can't do?

How gamebreaking.

Pretty much this. I can't even fathom how stupid the majority of the posters are in this thread.

Pretty much this. I can't even fathom how stupid the majority of the posters are in this thread.

Except those 3rd tier weapons are essentially 2nd-highest-tier in terms of WATK.

also, it's getting annoying how people are whisping me ingame to abuse this too, got so many requests of "pq with me" you'd be surprised, this sentence has nothing to do with the rest though.

me too and i still didn't get inside it and don't plan to do it becuase i am borred and watching movies.