[1.2.381] The Wind

So, if you were wondering how fast Double Jump is, it definitely doesn't compare to Flash Jump, testing from arrow to right at a Nath FM. Also 160% Speed is barely noticeable for me.

[video=youtube;IOIKCrjy1hU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIKCrjy1hU[/video]

Also, you can't attack while moving, jumping, or double jumping.

Someone didn't tell him about the Lv160~170 regular mobs that deal 6k+ damage to things that aren't Warriors...

Someone missed the word bosses in the post he just quoted.

So, if you were wondering how fast Double Jump is, it definitely doesn't compare to Flash Jump, testing from arrow to right at a Nath FM. Also 160% Speed is barely noticeable for me.

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[video=youtube;IOIKCrjy1hU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIKCrjy1hU[/video]

Also, you can't attack while moving, jumping, or double jumping.

from what it looks like, its basically similar to what a wild hunter has pre chaos normal jag max jag rider and jag jump without speed benefits. it also carries the burden that you cannot attack while in the second jump.

So, if you were wondering how fast Double Jump is, it definitely doesn't compare to Flash Jump, testing from arrow to right at a Nath FM. Also 160% Speed is barely noticeable for me.

[video=youtube;IOIKCrjy1hU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOIKCrjy1hU[/video]

Also, you can't attack while moving, jumping, or double jumping.

Uhm, this clears it all up. But still, climbing ladders is easily beaten by that. The 160 speed isn't as important as starting climbing higher.

So it’s identical to a WH’s even the sound. Not much competition for Flash jump even with 160 speed. A lot of their new skills seem reverse engineered for WH’s. Sure it has a bit of a vertical advantage for climbing ladders but it is a double jump after all and Flash jump has a horizontal advantage so I think it evens out really. I just don’t see double jump as that big of an issue. People never seemed that bothered when Wild Hunters got it with a 190 speed cap.

As for speed, they will probably raise the speed cap for thieves. They should just do an advanced version of Self Haste. Where other players get the regular haste buff and the caster gets an enhanced version.

So it’s identical to a WH’s even the sound. Not much competition for Flash jump even with 160 speed. A lot of their new skills seem reverse engineered for WH’s. Sure it has a bit of a vertical advantage for climbing ladders but it is a double jump after all and Flash jump has a horizontal advantage so I think it evens out really. I just don’t see double jump as that big of an issue. People never seemed that bothered when Wild Hunters got it with a 190 speed cap.

As for speed, they will probably raise the speed cap for thieves. They should just do an advanced version of Self Haste. Where other players get the regular haste buff and the caster gets an enhanced version.

The thing is: Bowmen are now faster than thieves from lv 30 to 70. As for the speed fixes, I'd actually prefer full effect for everyone, but us having a passive speed boost+cap. Don't know... I need to see what they have in store, first, maybe we get some surprises.

Yeah but they will probably move flash jump. I mean NW’s and DB’s get it pre 70. Unless they raise the speed cap on all classes boosting haste’s effect for party members wouldn’t make much of difference.

30 to 70? You mean from 10-70. lol.

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but did anyone notice you can't max all your skills in 4th job?
Assuming you leave MW at 29 and 0 on Hero's Will, you don't have enough to max all your other (important) skills. The only thing I can think of is to leave puppet at 14 (which isn't a huge deal) but idk, I like having all my good skills maxed in every job. With this patch there are really no redundant skills (DRAGON BREATH, HAMSTRING, BLIND) which you can use as an SP dump and leave unmaxed...

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but did anyone notice you can't max all your skills in 4th job?
Assuming you leave MW at 29 and 0 on Hero's Will, you don't have enough to max all your other (important) skills. The only thing I can think of is to leave puppet at 14 (which isn't a huge deal) but idk, I like having all my good skills maxed in every job. With this patch there are really no redundant skills (DRAGON BREATH, HAMSTRING, BLIND) which you can use as an SP dump and leave unmaxed...

This was already mentioned some pages back, we also had this same discussion on the mage Jump! patch too.

Forgive my blatant pessimism but what the pineapple has happened to MS?

Forgive my blatant pessimism but what the pineapple has happened to MS?

It evolved?

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but did anyone notice you can't max all your skills in 4th job?
Assuming you leave MW at 29 and 0 on Hero's Will, you don't have enough to max all your other (important) skills. The only thing I can think of is to leave puppet at 14 (which isn't a huge deal) but idk, I like having all my good skills maxed in every job. With this patch there are really no redundant skills (DRAGON BREATH, HAMSTRING, BLIND) which you can use as an SP dump and leave unmaxed...

I'm betting that the developers didn't have clear what had to have a higher cap, so they made everything lv 30-20 - etc, until they made up their minds after the testing.

Bowmaster showing increased avoid with Illusion Step:

[video=youtube;onLM58KMNyQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onLM58KMNyQ[/video]

Bowmaster showing increased avoid with Illusion Step:

So... potentially 100% critical rate if you get hit constantly. Cool.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

wtp? That's more avoid probability than my shadower has right now (granted he only has level 23 shadow shifter, but still)

Did everyone peach and moan this much during Warrior and Mage Jump, or are Thieves just a bunch of QQers?

Did everyone peach and moan this much during Warrior and Mage Jump, or are Thieves just a bunch of QQers?

I remember people peachin on the mage patch, though it was mostly bishops there were some other classes.

Did everyone peach and moan this much during Warrior and Mage Jump, or are Thieves just a bunch of QQers?

There's always bitching and moaning during a patch like this. Everyone claims that the new balancing makes them OP. Then there's a bandwagon. Then people realize it's not as OP as they thought. Then Nexon does another patch like this. Everyone claims...

There's always bitching and moaning during a patch like this. Everyone claims that the new balancing makes them OP. Then there's a bandwagon. Then people realize it's not as OP as they thought. Then Nexon does another patch like this. Everyone claims...

I don't usually moan, it's just that, after ignoring NLs so much lately, even being nerfed, it just feels like a kick to the teeth to see that the updates to avoid and speed that we would have loved since BB are going to another class. And even them getting some of our signature moves and all.

I feel glad for them, I know drain and flash jump feels nice, I've been using it and I know. I felt glad for shadowers when they got flash jump and shadow partner, they did need something like that. But after everyone getting our stuff... Well. We are starting to get tired of waiting. And don't give me that "You guys were better before, so shut up", because I'm talking about new stuff here, like skills, or the likes.


Aaaand I think I'll rest the thread a bit, I'm starting to feel like a nuisance. :c