S.E.A | Removel of Chaina and Thailand World Tour!

What harm were China and Thailand doing then? Taking up a little bit of space on people's harddrives?



Again, it wasn't 7th Day Market that caused grief, it was the lightbulb. They are different things. It is like saying Masteria caused grief to players because they couldn't get all the Hyper Glepsadadasdahhhhs they needed.

Quests related to place =/= Place itself.

The quest itself was poorly coded, which caused the lightbulb to act all fancy. Tell me another quest that was designed to look into people's local time and treat it as something entirely different. You can't.
Now tell me it was not the quest itself again. You can't.
The lightbulb had functioned properly for some 3 or 4 years prior to 7th Day Market. To say it was at fault is even more ignorant than blaming Masteria for getting f'ucked by hyperglyph.
The pain it brings? Players have to put up with it. Nexon has to fix their algorithms. It's not worth the trouble, so it had better be gone.

Same for China/Thailand. With Bigbang looming on the horizon, there's no saying Asiasoft won't have to redesign everything for things to work fittingly. Why go through the trouble?

Now tell me it was not the quest itself again. You can't.

I never did. I said it wasn't 7th Day Market itself, but the lightbulb. And by which I meant the quest.

I never did. I said it wasn't 7th Day Market itself, but the lightbulb. And by which I meant the quest.

You had better be damned clear the next time you say anything then. Both the 7th Day Market quest and the lightbulb are features of the game.

The quest itself was poorly coded, which caused the lightbulb to act all fancy. Tell me another quest that was designed to look into people's local time and treat it as something entirely different. You can't.
Now tell me it was not the quest itself again. You can't.
The lightbulb had functioned properly for some 3 or 4 years prior to 7th Day Market. To say it was at fault is even more ignorant than blaming Masteria for getting f'ucked by hyperglyph.
The pain it brings? Players have to put up with it. Nexon has to fix their algorithms. It's not worth the trouble, so it had better be gone.

Same for China/Thailand. With Bigbang looming on the horizon, there's no saying Asiasoft won't have to redesign everything for things to work fittingly. Why go through the trouble?

We aren't talking about the lightbulb function itself, we're talking about the lightbulb specifically for the quest itself. That specific part of the quest is the bad part about it.

And the thing is, Shanghai and Thailand were already revamped for Big Bang by JMS. It existed. It just needed to be transfered over.

And Kalvovale, can you stop being an annoying twat grasping at every error someone makes to get ground?

We aren't talking about the lightbulb function itself, we're talking about the lightbulb specifically for the quest itself. That specific part of the quest is the bad part about it.

And the thing is, Shanghai and Thailand were already revamped for Big Bang by JMS. It existed. It just needed to be transfered over.

And Kalvovale, can you stop being an annoying twat grasping at every error someone makes to get ground?

I can, once people start reading things.
Who's talking about the lightbulb specific function? There is no specific function of the lightbulb, it has ONE sole function: When triggered, appear. That's all it does.
The fact that it would not go away was due to people's inability to SATISFY the condition for it to go away: Accepting the quest.
The reason people could not accept the quest was because of the 7th Day Market.

It was horrible. It had little usefulness. It had to:
A: Be fixed,
B: Go away. Period.

You had better be damned clear the next time you say anything then. Both the 7th Day Market quest and the lightbulb are features of the game.

Either way, people shouldn't complain about 7th Day Market itself because of the messed up quest which caused the messed up lightbulb. 7th Day Market itself never caused any harm and could be used to get a decent little stockpile of mesos, all they had to do was fix or remove the quest instead of removing the whole thing.

Either way, people shouldn't complain about 7th Day Market itself because of the messed up quest which caused the messed up lightbulb. 7th Day Market itself never caused any harm and could be used to get a decent little stockpile of mesos, all they had to do was fix or remove the quest instead of removing the whole thing.

That is not far from my initial point.

That is not far from my initial point.

Mine as well.

Mine as well.

The harm that it DOES do, which you're missing, is that it requires fixing, which takes time, time costs money. The benefit it brings (if any, judging by its popularity) is deemed to be overshadowed by the cost to fix it (at least I myself think so).
The main point is that there is justification for removing content, as contrasted here:

No it's not. There is never a good excuse for removing content. The game isn't all about the best exp monsters and training. There is also the joy of exploring areas. Removing an area because it wasn't good training is idiotic and asinine.

The line just has to be drawn, and though it is not my place to be the artist of ethics, I'd like to point out that it actually makes sense to remove certain parts of the content.

I'd like to think it has something about business contract.

A user in Asiasoft TH forum, who seems to know what's he saying, said Asiasoft has to pay NexonKR for each patch they received in addition to publishing contract. And if it was something like this:

NexonKR: We revamped xxx map for BB. We DID some extra work there, so you need to pay extra for them too.
Asiasoft: what? pineapple that.

That would explain why did they let the place be before BB and remove to instantly when BB hit. I mean, places are known for being empty for a long time, no? If they didn't pay for each patch, they could as well just remove it anytime.

Long wall of text from an ex-mapler.. or rather.. ex-MSEA-er.
I recently just downloaded back MSEA to try out Big Bang.. Since I happen to see this thread.. well..

I'll talk about Shanghai first, since I used to visit there frequently to train... in year 2007.

In my opinion, I don't feel any difference now even if they removed Shanghai.

Back then, Shanghai shines, because Steelys are actually still very expensive back then. Due to centipede dropping steely as a loot, the prices continue to drop.
And with limited variety of maps to train last time, Shanghai is actually well-received by MSEA-ers back then.

The only map in Shanghai that I remembered of it being popular is this..





^ This fake centipede boss has been around for years and until now.. It's still there. lol.

Back then, this map is very popular for training. It's even crowded during school holidays.
Apart from Steelys from Centipede boss, the ducks drop Mystic Shield, which is worthy back then.

However, with the rise of new and better training areas/places to get EXP (eg. Mushroom Castle, Monster Carnival), this map, along with the other maps.. has become deserted.

The rest of the maps for training? I guess not. The map layouts are too big and most of the maps have mixture of monsters..
So basically Shanghai's quite outdated from the current Maple World in terms of updates, EXP and Quests.

Maybe they tried to get more people to train in those world tour areas. One example would be having 'Wedding Photos' Quest in Boat Quay (GMS doesn't have it because they don't have Shanghai) which requires you to talk to the photographer in Shanghai. And the EXP is great for low levels during pre-BB. It was 15k EXP if I'm not wrong. You just have to pay 20k mesos to the photographer for free EXP.



(If you looked carefully, I completed this quest at 2007.)

Nonetheless, I watched a video on the newly revamped Shanghai.
New Shanghai (Part 1): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrQZYkPxf2M
New Shanghai (Part 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ-w0L66DB4

I find them improved. Both graphics and layouts. Well.. in 2008 that is.
In my opinion, the maps still aren't great for training.
The problem with Shanghai is that the maps are still big for training, and mixed spawns of monsters are all around the maps.

Well.. Steelys aren't that great now. Mystic Shields too. I guess it's time to remove them... =\
I do hope they do not remove and improve on it. But I guess that's the end, or someday, when Nexon decides to improvise on all World Tour areas.. We'll see.

I will talk about Thailand in the next post.

MapleSEA got Thailand sometime around 2007/2008 if I remember correctly.

It was first released as this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4clW2zmA9MU
Big and bad training maps, but it was interesting at the first sight.

Years later, they upgraded Thailand to a better version with better training maps and better graphics.

Quest-wise, not that bad. But there's one quest that gives you a decent shoe.. (I think stats +1 to STR DEX INT and LUK) and that quest requires you to visit Orbis and hunt for drop loots from the monsters.

Training-wise... There are way better maps out there despite the upgrade.
Some of the maps still have mixture of monsters of different levels.

And no, you can't swim in the shallow rivers.

Other than that, Thailand has access to Free Market. So if you happen to be in places like Ellinia.. or any other places that does not have Free Market but have Spinel (World Tour NPC), you can travel to Thailand to visit the Free Market. Simple and convenient.



Apart from that, the potions available here are cheaper than other places.



Lastly.. the only NPC that I remembered it clearly is..



lol.

Basically, I guess it's a little too late when it's released. Almost nobody trains in Thailand. The only things that seem useful to me is the Free Market access and cheaper potions.

In a nutshell for both areas..
What I hate about World Tour Areas is that they doesn't seem to integrate well with the rest of the maps in Maple. IDK how to say but I hate the way Nexon creates all these maps. I like them, but I just feel all world tour areas still needs improvement on it.

For an instance, in MSEA, whenever there's events that require loot drops from monsters, usually.. they do NOT drop from monsters in world tour areas.
This annoyed me badly.

I really hope Nexon will improve all these world tour areas and not removing them because they are all nice maps and I find them to have the potential to integrate well with the Maple World.

There still isn't much justification for this, though. And it ultimately comes down to the fact that Nexon Korea probably has their sights on these areas to turn into areas more integrated in the game, which is pretty fucked up. Wouldn't changing these areas to make them better save the cost of developing a completely new area? :|

MapleSEA got Thailand sometime around 2007/2008 if I remember correctly.

It was first released as this version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4clW2zmA9MU
Big and bad training maps, but it was interesting at the first sight.

Years later, they upgraded Thailand to a better version with better training maps and better graphics.

Quest-wise, not that bad. But there's one quest that gives you a decent shoe.. (I think stats +1 to STR DEX INT and LUK) and that quest requires you to visit Orbis and hunt for drop loots from the monsters.

Training-wise... There are way better maps out there despite the upgrade.
Some of the maps still have mixture of monsters of different levels.

And no, you can't swim in the shallow rivers.

Other than that, Thailand has access to Free Market. So if you happen to be in places like Ellinia.. or any other places that does not have Free Market but have Spinel (World Tour NPC), you can travel to Thailand to visit the Free Market. Simple and convenient.

Apart from that, the potions available here are cheaper than other places.

Lastly.. the only NPC that I remembered it clearly is..
lol.

Basically, I guess it's a little too late when it's released. Almost nobody trains in Thailand. The only things that seem useful to me is the Free Market access and cheaper potions.

In a nutshell for both areas..
What I hate about World Tour Areas is that they doesn't seem to integrate well with the rest of the maps in Maple. IDK how to say but I hate the way Nexon creates all these maps. I like them, but I just feel all world tour areas still needs improvement on it.

For an instance, in MSEA, whenever there's events that require loot drops from monsters, usually.. they do NOT drop from monsters in world tour areas.
This annoyed me badly.

I really hope Nexon will improve all these world tour areas and not removing them because they are all nice maps and I find them to have the potential to integrate well with the Maple World.

1) Take a taxi to perion. Simple, convenient, and easier than going through spinel.
2) NLC pots > all. No one likes cheaper potions if the potions are still inferior.

There still isn't much justification for this, though. And it ultimately comes down to the fact that Nexon Korea probably has their sights on these areas to turn into areas more integrated in the game, which is pretty pineappleed up. Wouldn't changing these areas to make them better save the cost of developing a completely new area? :|

Agree with the bolded part.. I guess they should start to improve and expand the existing world tour areas.
I do feel Zipangu in MSEA needs to be improved. Most maps aren't used either. Only Neo Tokyo/Ninja Castle/Anego @ Showa (Pre-BB) seems to be received by maplers.

1) Take a taxi to perion. Simple, convenient, and easier than going through spinel.
2) NLC pots > all. No one likes cheaper potions if the potions are still inferior.

For point 1, that further explains that Thailand has not much use even though it has access to Free Market. Maybe for lazy people like me who tends to visit Thailand to refill potions and wants to visit Free Market.

For point 2, I'm far too outdated from MapleSEA so I have no idea whether the prices of NLC pots in MSEA are the same in GMS Pre-BB.

All I'm thinking about is how much less and less the chances of GMS getting this stuff is..oh how I've longed to say to my guild"hey guys you bored? lets go kill some Neo Tokyo bosses!" or "who wants to try and beat the shaolin monk boss or the golden giant?"

All I'm thinking about is how much less and less the chances of GMS getting this stuff is..oh how I've longed to say to my guild"hey guys you bored? lets go kill some Neo Tokyo bosses!" or "who wants to try and beat the shaolin monk boss or the golden giant?"

Oh I'm sure NexonKR will eventually morph them into something or other.

Oh I'm sure NexonKR will eventually morph them into something or other.

Fine with me. I just want some form of Shaolin Temple>.>

Oh I'm sure NexonKR will eventually morph them into something or other.

That's the problem. It's horribly inefficient to pay people to completely re-do an area to make it better, instead of just tweaking stats and drops. And the fact that they even rehash things from Global.

Fine with me. I just want some form of Shaolin Temple>.>

Agreed. Much looking forward to it being some kind of solo dungeon(we already have party dungeons) where the farther you get inside the temple the larger the exp multiplier.

That's the problem. It's horribly inefficient to pay people to completely re-do an area to make it better, instead of just tweaking stats and drops. And the fact that they even rehash things from Global.

You seem to think that someone sits in a chair and tweaks the stats for free. Same lackey does both jobs. Notice how Kerning Square is Taipei 101 exactly except with a new questline and tweaked stats?

Also, about the part I bolded, is that somehow saying that we're better than Japan, or Thailand, or Taiwan? They all got their exclusives fucked with. Why should we be exempt. (Even though technically, it was Japan that butchered CWK)