KajitiSouls Wrote:Typically with my Irelia I don't max Hiten Style until lvl 18. I find that its damage just isn't that good compared to the other two skills at her disposal, and her ult makes the healing from Hiten Style very insignificant. It's either ult for health, or push a lane like crazy.
EDIT: Keep forgetting to mention this, but that game near noon time with you, me, dante, and two others had something I wanted to talk to you about. Before they surrendered, Warwick and Veigar were chasing you down middle lane. I knew Warwick would want to ult you the first chance he got, so I saved my Equilibrium Strike. Apparently he was warry of my counter response to his ult. You got quite a bit of a way back to the other side after ghosting, but then when you turned around and Rune Prisoned him, I was like "damnit Duel why'd you do that" and slapped E on him in hopes of slowing him down. But then you decided to turn around anyways, and first thing that came to my mind was "Exhaust or he's dead."
Moral of the story: know champion abilities and their cooldowns plz!
EDIT2: Based on LoL Replay, I took Cait's ult in the face to save your ass after WW died.
To be fair if it's the fight I was thinking of then there would have been another person or two in between me and cait besides you that I was using to block it with.
Thank you though still!
The other part I can't really remember off of the top of my head.
That made me forget what I was going to post. I found this on the Riot forums earlier and thought I would share it with you.
It is by xypherous about a thread made questioning vayne and irelia designs.
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Quote:Vayne primarily does physical damage and partially true. Where does Vayne's magic damage come from?
Ireila is problematic because, on average in a fight, her activated 'W' will outdamage Vayne's silver bolts in a fight.
Compare: 75 true damage a hit compared to 2.3% of their maximum health + 23 per hit. A champion would need 2260 health before Silver Bolts was on par, but Irelia can have this starting at level 9, while Vayne needs to wait for her opponents to seriously start buying health gear.
Irelia is also problematic because she has everything she needs to survive *and* inherent toughness on par with many other characters. She has the highest CC reduction potential in the game, at 61% CC reduction, turning 2 second stuns to 0.75 seconds. She has a 60% slow or a stun. She has ranged AoE harass whose life-steal component can't be stopped short of ignite and healing reduction. Her damage is fairly split between physical / magical and true compared to Vayne's 80/20 split between physical and true. If you buy Chain Vest against Vayne, you are going to survive quite a bit longer.
Barring that, Irelia simply has no weaknesses. This is an attribute shared with Jarvan and Nocturne. This is inherently problematic because if these characters get ahead, they cannot be shut down. Vayne, on the other hand, if she gets ahead, she's *still* relatively fragile and you can itemize against the majority of her damage.
I feel that part of countering Vayne involves having the right team comp. But I might be speaking too soon.
No idea what Xypherous is talking about in regards with Jarvan, and I just lolwut at Nocturne having no weakness if he snowballs. He deals majority phsyical damage >_> If they're looking at Nocturne as another Shaco episode, then... our resident Nocturne player will be a very sad panda once this blows over.
He does have a point with Irelia though, because if you're not packing a lot of Ignite and/or catch her alone, you're going to spend a lot of manpower and resources just killing her. The fact that she does all three types of damage while being a beefy champ inherently has been under Riot's scrutiny for a month now.
@Duelman, I'll upload a video later to show you what I'm talking about.
The Silver Bolt 3rd strike doesn't consume a Spell Shield IIRC since its based of a Normal Attack, and even then if shes one of the vayne that Stacks ASP then banshee does little to nothing against her. The only way to get rid of vayne is ganking her BAD or have another Ranged char against her, Melee Ranged or Magic DPS work well against her since her E range isn't that good and neither the push distance it does and Tumble is the same, so harrasing her is easy. Also you don't have to worry of her 1.5sec stealth unless shes using it to gank.
Crappy build for crazy vayne in my mind. Tanky DPS XD
Pack ASP enough to get 2-2.5 Attacks per sec and the rest on armor.
Building malady>Mandreds Bloodrazor>Force of nature>Frozen Heart>Phantom Dancer/Trinity Force>Boots.
Trollish build to focus on defense and Silver Arrow + Mandreds Procs.
Corn Wrote:Booo. Does it really have to be a level 30 ranked match?
Yes.
5-man premade normal matches can easily be arranged at a drop of the hat. Anyone can do that.
For 5-man premade ranked matches, that does require a bit of time, playing with people that you know very well, having everyone know what role they need to be doing during the match, etc etc.
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Does Vayne use AP at all?
According to LoL, she's strong in physical attacks and weak in spells. So no.
Dark Link Wrote:Screw 5man ranked. 5man normals is where the fun is.
Sometimes we need the srs business. Now get to Level 30 Josh. You gotta "un-smurf" yourself.
2011-05-11, 11:14 PM (This post was last modified: 2011-05-12, 01:06 AM by FenixR.)
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Does Vayne use AP at all?
None of her Skills uses AP only AD.
Her Q is a % of her total AD.
Her W is a passive and since its true damage doesnt scale with anything.
Her E Uses AD for bonus Damage.
And Her R is just a buff to AD,4x of her Innate and 1.5secs of stealth after her Q.
Crap i see what you are refering, it was a wits end not a malady i got confused
Edit:I have gotten better with vayne... But stupid Jax dodge didn't let me Finish him like 5 times -.-.
Edit2:" Vayne's joke really should have been:
"It looks like their efforts..."
*Removes sunglasses*
"Have been in Vayne."
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" - Somewhere in riot forum Trolololol.
dante9898 Wrote:The Silver Bolt 3rd strike doesn't consume a Spell Shield IIRC since its based of a Normal Attack, and even then if shes one of the vayne that Stacks ASP then banshee does little to nothing against her.
I can only confirm this for BV. How much do you wanna bet otherwise?
Corn Wrote:Booo. Does it really have to be a level 30 ranked match?
I think for 5-man ranked, it's lvl 21-30. For solo queue ranked, it's lvl 30, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Does Vayne use AP at all?
I don't see an AP ratio anywhere. Phreak's masteries is inviting trouble from Veigars everywhere :o
Shen and Blitz [Both level 30] trio que'd with the Garen, who was still relatively new to the game. Shen carried the game, and I saved the game. Mostly cause Garen kept feeding Renekton and WW, while Blitz made Nasus and Sivir feed me.
During late game I actually fended off a 1v5 at our mid base tower, because I charged in, wrecked Sivir, got Ashe low forcing her to retreat, and getting the other 3 about 50% HP. Funny thing was I also killed the creeps due to my Ult, which made the 3 tanky DPS forced to tower tank while trying to take me down, which ended up making them all get to low HP and forced to retreat as well.
Also note what the Nasus said in chat. Xin too good!
Dark Link Wrote:Shen and Blitz [Both level 30] trio que'd with the Garen, who was still relatively new to the game. Shen carried the game, and I saved the game. Mostly cause Garen kept feeding Renekton and WW, while Blitz made Nasus and Sivir feed me.
During late game I actually fended off a 1v5 at our mid base tower, because I charged in, wrecked Sivir, got Ashe low forcing her to retreat, and getting the other 3 about 50% HP. Funny thing was I also killed the creeps due to my Ult, which made the 3 tanky DPS forced to tower tank while trying to take me down, which ended up making them all get to low HP and forced to retreat as well.
Also note what the Nasus said in chat. Xin too good!
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Poor Garen
Also i usually cry when i see an Enemy Xin. qq speedy knockups that tenacity doesnt effect.
btw guys, im making an AD Rune page right now, and im getting Armour pen Reds, Mana regen @ 18 Yellows, and ive already got Movespeed Quints (love them and use them for all 3 of my pages lol) but for blues im kinda stuck. Is it better to have Cooldown reduction or Magic Resist as an AD Character?
This is baring in mind that the only AD Characters i play right now are Caitlyn, Miss Fortune and Eve. No Tanky DPS just yet :p
So I've been watching some TSM / CLG streams and I must've missed something. I didn't think the Shen changes / nerfs would actually make him not viable anymore. I've yet to see a ranked match where he's either banned and/or picked right off the bat. O_o
Yeah I thought that piece by xypherous was cool. He takes the time to answer people's concerns as best he can in plain english. Probably my favorite red poster on the forums at the moment.
I'll do some ranked for you guys, 5v5 is fine and all I simply choose to abstain from solo queue ranked until the new season begins.
Got rocked by the trolls/leavers on my placement matches and it gave me a sour taste in my mouth when I think of solo queueing.
Just name when and I'll be there, if bob is on I'll have him come too (he doesn't post a lot here).
Duelman Wrote:Yeah I thought that piece by xypherous was cool. He takes the time to answer people's concerns as best he can in plain english. Probably my favorite red poster on the forums at the moment.
I'll do some ranked for you guys, 5v5 is fine and all I simply choose to abstain from solo queue ranked until the new season begins.
Got rocked by the trolls/leavers on my placement matches and it gave me a sour taste in my mouth when I think of solo queueing.
Just name when and I'll be there, if bob is on I'll have him come too (he doesn't post a lot here).
Yea i would definately be up for ranked matches, just let me know when
Dark Link Wrote:Shen and Blitz [Both level 30] trio que'd with the Garen, who was still relatively new to the game. Shen carried the game, and I saved the game. Mostly cause Garen kept feeding Renekton and WW, while Blitz made Nasus and Sivir feed me.
During late game I actually fended off a 1v5 at our mid base tower, because I charged in, wrecked Sivir, got Ashe low forcing her to retreat, and getting the other 3 about 50% HP. Funny thing was I also killed the creeps due to my Ult, which made the 3 tanky DPS forced to tower tank while trying to take me down, which ended up making them all get to low HP and forced to retreat as well.
Also note what the Nasus said in chat. Xin too good!
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The other team has majority physical damage. Fail.
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