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Riveting Canadian election discussion.
#21
Voted first thing in the morning. Quick reminder to everyone else except Kevo.
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#22
Well a lot of people i know including my family are voting for NDP. I sadly can't vote but i would've voted for Liberal of NDP. Tired of Harper.
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#23
I predict a minority conservative government. Which I can live with till the rest get their pomegranate together. Though it'll be weird/sorta cool to see the NDP beat out the Libs. Could be a turning point.
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#24
Sarah Wrote:Voted first thing in the morning. Quick reminder to everyone else except Kevo.

Just voted after teaching ESL this morning. Time to wait for the results now. What happens in my area will be intriguing, seeing how close it'll be this time compared to last.
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#25
Voted NDP. Smile

Almost everyone I know voted Conservative, though.
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#26
http://www.globalnews.ca/decisioncanada/index.html

You can follow along here after 10 PM EST
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#27
Kevo Wrote:I'm not sure what's so bad about private health. Nobody's losing out on anything, but if you have the ability to pay for extra then why not? Respect has nothing to do with it. Where in the world are the middle class and poor on the same terms as the wealthy? I feel like if we're driving Canadian citizens out of the country for health services, then we must be doing something wrong. I'm certainly not a wealthy person but I don't discount the fact that the rich getting better treatment has been inevitable since the existence of any hierarchical system. The fact these tiers exist show that and the only way to solve this is to somehow have everybody be as rich/poor as the next person which is a little silly.

lol. Yeah that's a point of view I guess. Fact is decrease in health care budget means the feds are telling the provinces to screw themselves and figure out a way to make healthcare work with less money. HMMMMMM... I wonder how I can make healthcare work with less money? Oh, I know. Privatization. That's that "something wrong" you were talking about. It's not that it's a broken system, it's that funding for the system has been steadily decreasing for the past couple of decades.

Where are the poor and the middle class on the same terms and level as the wealthy? A social democracy... which we're in. The fact that we're in a democracy means that there is NO hierarchical system.

You sir are mixing up the causes and the consequences. If there was increased funding for public healthcare, healthcare quality increases for every Canadian citizen.

Kevo Wrote:As for employment, money has to come from somewhere. Businesses need incentive to hire more people, by reducing corporate taxes and increasing the amount consumers have to pay, jobs may be created. HST shouldn't be a problem if you're not against paying more money for public benefit, and I think you are not. HST requires time for the benefits to be reaped. HST is what's going to keep you employed and provide additional jobs for those seeking employment. The government has been getting less revenues and the economic downturn has increased government spending so while HST is bad for you and me as individuals in terms of spending, the benefit of the HST could possible exceed the implications of HST. That aside, it's a shame that Ontario residents can do nothing about their HST. It's quite nice that BC residents have the opportunity to revert taxation back to the 5% GST and 7% PST.

The tax cuts are a response to a plan of reduced spending. If the economy improves, then Canada will be doing well to eliminate debt. The Liberal and NDP party are so busy trying to attain power and appeal to the public with their platform that they have no other choice but to increase taxes. This not only worsens the employment situation, but causes Canada to borrow even more money and build on the debt we currently have. A balance between the citizens and the country is pretty important to me. The NDP and Liberal are definitely sided for the citizens. It's all personal preference really. If the debt lessens and the economy improves, then more money can be allocated to the citizens in the long run.

Of course there will be a cost to help Canadians. Lower taxes, lower prices, higher employment, more benefits all need to have funding from somewhere. Eventually the massive spending (especially the NDP) will catch up with us and Canada will be in for a loop. Just look at the USA and their state after excessive spending.

Makes sense except you have to realize that a corporation or company's best interest is to NOT hire people right? Less people to pay means a higher annual gain doesn't it? I mean if you can keep a company afloat with the bare minimum human resources while still making gains each year, you frankly don't have to hire one damn employee.

I feel like a lot of people pay attention to percent gains and thinking that a decrease in that = bad. I mean yeah relative to everybody else, maybe. But a percent gain just means that your making that much more money than the last fiscal year. I mean as an example, you gained 30% since last year, but that's a decrease from last year's gain of 35%. You still made 30% more than last year.

Higher corporate tax means less stress on each individual person in taxes which therefore equates to more purchasing power and a healthy economy (presuming that those people have jobs). How to fix employment when you have corporations unwilling to hire people because their crying underneath their taxes? Crown corporations. Simple as that.

Public systems work. The most prosperous economic years in the western world thrived with them in place (those years are basically WWII to the late 60s). It's just that corporations or right wings make you scared of the boogeyman.

Kevo Wrote:No vote is ever a wasted vote. Your vote reflects on what you think is most important. If there's a sudden surge in the Green Party's votes, then that's a signal that shows that environmental concerns may be on the rise. Or if in my riding, more people vote Liberal/NDP (unlikely) than last time, then perhaps it shows the community is expecting the Conservative MP to help the community more.

Tell that to the million people that voted green but got 0 green seats in parliament.

Anyways I wish I could vote (probably would've voted NDP) but the elections came in 8 days before my 18th birthday.
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#28
NDP's win would be one of the worst thing in the history of Canada. They have good ideas, yes, but I think they'll be overwhelmed by all these decisions to take and the costs of it. Not to mention a lot of their candidates are scholars. I prefer to vote for Harper, seeing Ignatieff don't have a chance.
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#29
I voted today.

pineapple yeah.
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#30
Anyone actually going to be discussing this while it happens?
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#31
Jesus christ this is horrible. 50 seats left and con's only need 19 to get a majority. Goodbye, healthcare.
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#32
Less than 10 seats for a majority. I think it's pretty clear cut now. EVERYBODY, INTO YOUR EMERGENCY BUNKERS!
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#33
Oh god Cons are only 1 away.
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#34
These results are just projected right now. We're still safe-ish. Things can change.
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#35
Torries sitting comfortably at that majority number...
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#36
CTV News says Tory Majority. Hm, let's see how it turns out.

Grats need to be given to Jack Layton. All the best to him, and good luck with Quebec.
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#37
Global says it too. Now I know how McCain voters felt when Obama was voted in. Except unlike them, I'm right for feeling this way. Canada is going to turn into a shithole.
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#38
Wow, I'm a little shocked Ignatieff is losing in his riding at the moment to a Conservative. I thought he'd win. :x
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#39
LOL AT BLOC QUEBECOIS. 2 seats. HERP DERP. I'm impressed with the NDP but dissapoint with how conservatives got majority.
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#40
The liberal House Leader fell in my riding to the NDP.
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