top 10 jobs after chaos?

This thread just went into Funhouse mode once things went a bit loose.

This thread just went into Funhouse mode once things went a bit loose.

wat? loose never posted.

/sarcasm

this thread is really stupid therefore, no one takes it seriously.

If I was a mod I'd move this to the funhouse.

Having invincibility frames is never useless. Never.

When it's lowering your overall damage i'd say it is. Save a few pots vs doing the most possible damage you can dish out, no contest.

CoH books turn into Phantom Blow books.

Oh you mean the ONE and ONLY book that drops from zak and instantly maxes the skill out? Also requires scissors of karma to sell, yeah I doubt that's going to be going up in price. Also phantom blow is more than likely to be added into your job skill book after the patch with maxed out slots for skill points.

YOU'VE ALL BEEN NINJA'D!

9/10

When it's lowering your overall damage i'd say it is. Save a few pots vs doing the most possible damage you can dish out, no contest.



Oh you mean the ONE and ONLY book that drops from zak and instantly maxes the skill out? Also requires scissors of karma to sell, yeah I doubt that's going to be going up in price. Also phantom blow is more than likely to be added into your job skill book after the patch with maxed out slots for skill points.

Yes, the ONE and ONLY book. When I wrote that, I meant existing CoH 10 books.

Yes, the ONE and ONLY book. When I wrote that, I meant existing CoH 10 books.

Lmao whatever you say, I guess we'll see if the books will rise in price but i'm still betting on it being worthless. By worthless I mean not even worth scissoring since it wont sell for any higher than the scissor itself, especially now that nx:meso ratio's are at an all time high lmfao.

When it's lowering your overall damage i'd say it is. Save a few pots vs doing the most possible damage you can dish out, no contest.

A dead character does no DPS.

A dead character does no DPS.

>Implying a character needs invincibility frames to survive luls.
If you're dying at whatever you're attempting to kill because you don't have invincibility frames i'm sure 10/10 doctors will agree you shouldn't be there in the first place.

Lmfao if you're dying at whatever you're attempting to kill because you don't have invincibility frames i'm sure 10/10 doctors will agree you shouldn't be there in the first place.

Empress. Stalling for time at Von Leon when attacking does you no good (soloing with damage reflect up). Any pot cool down situation invented in the future. I repeat: Guaranteeing your evasion of a fatal attack is never useless.

A dead character does no DPS.

this is the part where you should have stopped disagreeing.

takebacker isn't takebackering here, he's actually right. invincibility frames are useful now, will continue to be, and have been in the past.




Granted they aren't glitched of course.

Empress. Stalling for time at Von Leon when attacking does you no good (soloing with damage reflect up). Any pot cool down situation invented in the future. I repeat: Guaranteeing your evasion of a fatal attack is never useless.

30 sec pot cooldowns are not that big of a deal at Von Leon, especially when you have a bishop >_>

this is the part where you should have stopped disagreeing.

takebacker isn't takebackering here, he's actually right. invincibility frames are useful now, will continue to be, and have been in the past.




Granted they aren't glitched of course.

Meh as it is right now the frame is useful(imo not after chaos though) but monsters tend to attack quite fast and if you played a db you'd know they get hit a lot reguardless of CoH's invincibility frames. Right after the attack you can be hit before you get the chance to cast another skill, or if you choose to use FB you can be hit right after that as well before you can pull off the next CoH. If you use CoH + US + US then even more room to get hit since US gives no invincibility frame. Honestly the way you both are talking about DB i'd say it's obvious you guys haven't played one much because relying on CoH invincibility frames is just plain stupid. Don't go to a boss you can't survive without relying on the half decent invincibility frames db's have.

Also, PvP.

30 sec pot cooldowns are not that big of a deal at Von Leon, especially when you have a bishop >_>

Notice how my example was SOLOING. High avoidability does not last very long at all against pot cooldown. 30 seconds is much longer than you're giving it credit for. And DBs have the lowest of said stat out of all thieves.

Meh as it is right now the frame is useful(imo not after chaos though) but monsters tend to attack quite fast and if you played a db you'd know they get hit a lot reguardless of CoH's invincibility frames. Right after the attack you can be hit before you get the chance to cast another skill, or if you choose to use FB you can be hit right after that as well before you can pull off the next CoH. If you use CoH + US + US then even more room to get hit since US gives no invincibility frame. Honestly the way you both are talking about DB i'd say it's obvious you guys haven't played one much because relying on CoH invincibility frames is just plain stupid.

Follow into BS and again into CoH. Problem solved.

Honestly the way you're presenting arguments only solidifies the fact that this thread may as well have been copy pasta'd from basilmarket. You can't refute any of what i've just said therefore you use my lack of experience with the class to say that "doing this is stupid" as if your opinion is automatically more supported than mine. Except it isn't. Here's a tip: If you wanted to counter what i've said, bring up the fact that DBs can in the future obtain vampire therefore diminishing the need to avoid attacks by recovering HP instead. Too bad it mobs so if you use it to stall for time against something that's damage reflected, you're f'ucked. Of course having both is better than having just one.

Also, PvP.



Notice how my example was SOLOING. High avoidability does not last very long at all against pot cooldown. 30 seconds is much longer than you're giving it credit for. And DBs have the lowest of said stat out of all thieves.



Follow into BS and again into CoH. Problem solved.

Yeah because everyone tends to solo empress cygnus and von leon......... I know they have low avoid when did i ever comment on their avoid being good? Yes because you can't get hit right after bloody storm am I right(sarcasm)? Not to mention bloody storm would be moving you right into the monster you were so desprately trying to avoid rofl.. You're right though, the 30 second cd could be a big deal to some who haven't hp washed a lot and are dumb enough to go into a boss fight that has pot cd's without a bishop, you got me there.

Here's a DB soloing empress. That video took me what, 3 seconds to find?

[video=youtube;LXJ7enHCIi8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXJ7enHCIi8[/video]

3 lined von leon gloves go for max meso in my server. The incentive to solo him is certainly there, and people do it all the time.

Lol a 3 minute video with no ending.. A clip of an attempt doesn't count for much. The key word in that statement was "everyone", meaning not every db will be able to, let alone feel that the attempt is even possible to pull(edited here) off. Wonder why I didn't see a single CoH in that video though.

Lol a 3 minute video with no ending.. A clip of an attempt doesn't count for much. The key word in that statement was "everyone", meaning not every db will be able to, let alone feel that the attempt is worth pulling off. Wonder why I didn't see a single CoH in that video though.

with a vast leap of logic we go from 1 db to an entire squad.

concepts, they are hard.

with a vast leap of logic we go from 1 db to an entire squad.

concepts, they are hard.

We didn't go from 1 to an entire squad. This discussion has always been about db in general. Meaning you can't take the accomplishment of one elitist, we're talking average db's. If you would like we can talk elitists and then you guys have even less of an arguement.. Elitist will be so hp washed that invincibility frames will be laughed at and damage spam will be even more of the way to go. My argument before was that if they needed CoH invincibility they shouldn't be at that specific boss, they should just wait until they can take whatever the boss has to dish out and give their maximum damage output. That is what everyone usually is looking for at boss runs.. Can you imagine taking an NL to a boss run appling him only for him to use drain because it saves him pots/reducing his chances of dying?

Because her summons don't do enough damage to be fatal. Defending your argument that iframes are not useful due to less DPS with the word "everyone" doesn't matter because "everyone" is not a word you use in reference to a level 190 end game boss. The empress herself has several attacks that are entirely fatal including her fire birds that do 22k damage. Watching the video, this DB clearly doesn't have that much and spamming vampire or relying on avoidability would not save him from taking that damage. Invincibility frames however, would. (by the way, the chain in chains of hell has invincibility frames and a cast time less than or equal to phantom blow. A well timed one aimed AWAY from her could very easily avoid said fire birds while returning to your DPS with very little impact over time.)

@ above: All NLs have drain. All DBs will have CoH. Using drain in pot cooldown is required; any non-retarded NL will tell you that. CoH is not. The use of CoH strategically can very easily separate the skilled DBs from the mindless however, and will contribute to a successful run, so if you're talking about empress, success is all anyone in GMS cares about.

Wow such hostility :O Anyways if you top to be best dps, that's kinda a valid question, and this thread could have the answer: dps sheet?

I don't feel like reading it all through but there probably isn't a dps sheet from chaos yet, so we don't know.