Why do I complain about DBs?

1. It's 1:15 last time I checked a couple seconds ago. But since you're in a different world, NX ratios will tend to differ. Most worlds use 1:15 last time I checked, so I'm assuming Locked used this as a conservative estimate.
EDIT: Reread and noticed MTS. You get more bang for your buck if you directly transfer your mesos into NX with the 1:15 ratio than if you buy a bunch of stuff to MTS. Since almost everyone wants more bang for their buck, I see that Locked's use of 1:15 ratio is justified.
2. He gave a range, not a discrete %. He also said at least.
3. He never said OP, he said that it was "enough to get you somewhere".
4. (I'm assuming that that means the NX: meso ratio) You can convert mesos to NX, cube your equips, sell the advanced potential scrolls you get, convert the mesos you get from that into NX, cube again, rinse and repeat until you're satisfied with the results/run out of supplies. I'm assuming Locked realises this, as he's trying to stress the fact that 10 bil can actually do something.

1. "a couple months ago" -- meh not going to dispute the edited portion, someone can buy it for 5:1 and say it's that. that wasn't the central idea of my original post anyways.
2. idk what you're talking about
3. ok
4. no it was to another poster, which again holds no significance, so no sense even talking about it further.

1. "a couple months ago" -- meh not going to dispute the edited portion, someone can buy it for 5:1 and say it's that. that wasn't the central idea of my original post anyways.
2. idk what you're talking about
3. ok
4. no it was to another poster, which again holds no significance, so no sense even talking about it further.

Imagine understood what I was trying to say, so I guess the only thing I have to say is that I'm sorry the NX ratio over there is 1:20 and the economy over there is so atrocious that 10b of funding cannot get you decent damage or funding. Might as well quit.

As stated before, the most frequently used ratio is 1:15. Just because it contradicts your idea of the ratio, doesn't mean we can just drop it.
It isn't just one person who uses this ratio , it's the general population. Granted that there will be some fluctuations, the ratio is close enough to 1:15 for us to say that it's 1:15 in developed, populated worlds.

you wont do the same dmg but

If i make an character with same funding , db will be stronger than all classes. Thats enough to make one for DMG whores.

SO with Same Funding

DB>ALL Classes sad but true.

you wont do the same dmg but

If i make an character with same funding , db will be stronger than all classes. Thats enough to make one for DMG whores.

SO with Same Funding

DB>ALL Classes sad but true.

too bad in the game, not everyone will have same funding (:

first, nx is 1:20 in mts
second, 555 cubes to yield 80% is lucky
third, even 60-80% still won't yield an "OP" dual blade (the point of my post, that you obviously missed)
fourth, what does it matter the value of mesos
fifth, cant think of anything, but im sure there are other wrong assumptions you have made in evaluating dual blades and my response to them

You said with 20b funding, I'm making it clear that it's easy to obtain and the difficulty you are trying to demonstrate isn't accurate, in fact contradicts your point.

You said with 20b funding, I'm making it clear that it's easy to obtain and the difficulty you are trying to demonstrate isn't accurate, in fact contradicts your point.

I haven't said 20b anywhere.

Imagine understood what I was trying to say, so I guess the only thing I have to say is that I'm sorry the NX ratio over there is 1:20 and the economy over there is so atrocious that 10b of funding cannot get you decent damage or funding. Might as well quit.

she understood what you said, yes. but both of you have failed to see the central idea of what i said

you wont do the same dmg but

If i make an character with same funding , db will be stronger than all classes. Thats enough to make one for DMG whores.

SO with Same Funding

DB>ALL Classes sad but true.

I have the belief that there are many unfunded classes that will out damage an unfunded dual blade. Even if that is under the condition of a BaM with the same funding out performing the dual blade in terms of damage simply because int potentials are like half the price of luck potentials. But I think an aran and other classes are also capable of out performing the dual blade with similar potentials and weapons, blind to cost of those.

I haven't said 20b anywhere.

I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastic. But I was serious about what I said. That first video the guy had 11-14k range (the average person with rare potentials), the second video the guy had 16-23k range (a little above average, 61% luk isn't all that common among people). Just my input, unless you have 30k range and 60% boss (30% on dagger and 30% on katara, that is if they stack in gms) dual blades are a fairly weak looking class, certainly other classes are a lot better without funding. 30k range in gms on a dual blade is a good 20bil funding (just a rough guess).

Edit: to add more, in gms the low funded 2handed weapon users have a significant advantage due to the surplus of available 50% scrolls.

she understood what you said, yes. but both of you have failed to see the central idea of what i said

30k Range requires 20b funding? I guess I'm far ahead since my Dual Blader has 20k range with limited funding, about 24% luk of tradeable equips from my shadower. Your central idea on your post above just shows that in order to be a "good" Dual Blader you need an atrocious amount of funding, upwards to about "20b or more" and that "10b or less funding" can get you nowhere. Which is completely incorrect, since 10b funding can get you started to be a "good" Dual Blader. Please, do share what your main point is though since we're oblivious.

PS: Imagine is a guy.

Yes, I am a guy.
Just saying, if an outsider like me can nitpick what's wrong with your argument with little knowledge of the topic in hand, you're doing something wrong.

i go make OP DB when they gimme a benefit and i can do it without the need for nx

Who cares if i have less skillpoints than that, i just want a fricken ninja mask that doesn't require NX to get >

30k Range requires 20b funding? I guess I'm far ahead since my Dual Blader has 20k range with limited funding, about 24% luk of tradeable equips from my shadower. Your central idea on your post above just shows that in order to be a "good" Dual Blader you need an atrocious amount of funding, upwards to about "20b or more" and that "10b or less funding" can get you nowhere. Which is completely incorrect, since 10b funding can get you started to be a "good" Dual Blader. Please, do share what your main point is though since we're oblivious.

PS: Imagine is a guy.

20k range with only 24% luk equips, and the dagger? if i strip down to 80% luk with a 100att maple dagger i have a 20k range.

kind of, except you extrapolate, can get you on your way. if thats the case, just getting 120 with clean equips is a start to be a good dual blade. the point is, if you're expecting to deal tons of damage with 20k range or w/e it may be, that won't be enough for you to be overly impressed by dual blade over other classes with similar funding. i'd even say other similarly funded classes will outdmg the 20k ranged dual blade.

dont care if imagine is a girl or guy

20k range with only 24% luk equips, and the dagger? if i strip down to 80% luk with a 100att maple dagger i have a 20k range.

kind of, except you extrapolate, can get you on your way. if thats the case, just getting 120 with clean equips is a start to be a good dual blade. the point is, if you're expecting to deal tons of damage with 20k range or w/e it may be, that won't be enough for you to be overly impressed by dual blade over other classes with similar funding. i'd even say other similarly funded classes will outdmg the 20k ranged dual blade.

dont care if imagine is a girl or guy

He felt the need to correct you on your assumption about my gender, which shows that you care enough about my gender to address it rather than typing my name. Tip: if you feel the address the fact that you don't care about something, you would have no need to publicly state it.
Being "good" is subjective, get that through your head. After looking at the bunch of DBs with the average ~40-80% luk, I'm pretty impressed.
Also, I'm pretty sure you have to show some math to prove your claims, or else I can safely assume you're pulling invalid claims out of your butt to prove a point.

He felt the need to correct you on your assumption about my gender, which shows that you care enough about my gender to address it rather than typing my name. Tip: if you feel the address the fact that you don't care about something, you would have no need to publicly state it.
Being "good" is subjective, get that through your head. After looking at the bunch of DBs with the average ~40-80% luk, I'm pretty impressed.
Also, I'm pretty sure you have to show some math to prove your claims, or else I can safely assume you're pulling invalid claims out of your butt to prove a point.

ok, speculation at best. maybe i just want to address all points, maybe i just want to be a jerk and state i don't care. both those are reasonable alternative possibilities.

yes, being good is ambiguous, but when compared to other classes the ambiguity is significantly reduced, in a sort of Turing way.

http://img641.imageshack.us/i/maple0001o.jpg/

82% luk -- dagger is 95, katara is 65 [+6], belt is 10, scg is 19, pac is 11, blessing is 17, ring total is 17, chtp is 2

he'd need a pretty damn good dagger to get 20k range with 24%, if its even possible, or a lot more attack equips than i have

1. Subjective, not ambiguous, they're two different words. "Good" is based on opinion, so it has no concrete definition because of so; there is no obscure wording affecting people's perception on it.
2. Never asked for you to confirm your range, but mkay.

I hope everyone realises that when your damage range says 20000 on a Dual Blade, it's not really 20000.

ok, speculation at best. maybe i just want to address all points, maybe i just want to be a jerk and state i don't care. both those are reasonable alternative possibilities.

yes, being good is ambiguous, but when compared to other classes the ambiguity is significantly reduced, in a sort of Turing way.

http://img641.imageshack.us/i/maple0001o.jpg/

82% luk -- dagger is 95, katara is 65 [+6], belt is 10, scg is 19, pac is 11, blessing is 17, ring total is 17, chtp is 2

he'd need a pretty damn good dagger to get 20k range with 24%, if its even possible, or a lot more attack equips than i have

Ah, so we're talking clean? I meant with MW and attack pot. So be it.

125 Att Dagger. (3% ATT)
67 Att Blade
12 Att Cape (2% LUK)
15% LUK Belt
16 Att Rings.
10 Att Pendant
14 Att Blessing
12 Att Glove
3 Att Mask
4% LUK Earrings.
10 Att Medal
Total % LUK: 21%.
Total ATT: 269 * 1.03 = 277 ATT
Range: 10747~15353


With MW and ATT Pot:


Close enough for 21% LUK. 10b funding my ass. I actually took the time to transfer my equips too.

I hope everyone realises that when your damage range says 20000 on a Dual Blade, it's not really 20000.

I know, Joe.

1. Subjective, not ambiguous, they're two different words. "Good" is based on opinion, so it has no concrete definition because of so; there is no obscure wording affecting people's perception on it.
2. Never asked for you to confirm your range, but mkay.

1. Good job, different words, check.
2. Good is a relative term, in relation to other classes good is not so obscure.
3. you were ambiguous with your last, no proof claim, i just assumed you were referring to that

Ah, so we're talking clean? I meant with MW and attack pot. So be it.

125 Att Dagger. (3% ATT)
67 Att Blade
12 Att Cape (2% LUK)
15% LUK Belt
16 Att Rings.
10 Att Pendant
14 Att Blessing
12 Att Glove
3 Att Mask
4% LUK Earrings.
10 Att Medal
Total % LUK: 21%.
Total ATT: 269 * 1.03 = 277 ATT
Range: 10747~15353
http://i.imgur.com/UKOA7.png

With MW and ATT Pot:
http://i.imgur.com/GbpTR.png

Close enough for 21% LUK. 10b funding my ass.




I know, Joe.

15k is not 20k, in relation to other classes with similar funding, i say you're dual blade is out damaged.

15k is not 20k, in relation to other classes with similar funding, i say you're dual blade is out damaged.

This is not my point.
21% LUK is enough to get you somewhere. If you're going to train at LHC, you will always have MW, and you will always be potted.

My Dual Blader with Final Cut does the same damage as my Shadower without attack pots.

Locked, does your DB have Venom? If so, how much damage does it do without buffs on?

Locked, does your DB have Venom? If so, how much damage does it do without buffs on?

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I already stripped it, sorry.

4484/.53 = 8460.
So it's close.