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err hourglass is dumb on him. Only people I say it's fine to build it on are champs like Kennen and Morg, where the active compliments their play style.

Zhonyas is good on him because it gives a good amount of armor and ap, the active isn't needed but comes in handy, albeit not often. Good item that benefit both his rolls as tank and ap nuke.

Played shen twice recently and had him go from one of the champs i hate playing the most, to love playing him. I might have to buy him once i get the ip. Start out regrowth pendant, boots one, heart of gold, negatron cloak, heart of gold, merc treads, force of nature. First game ended at this point, second game i built sunfire and warmogs next. I dont really have a rune page that is set up well for him, so i went with my jungle page which is atk speed/arpen reds, armor yellows and cd blues. Seemed to work well enough. Picked up first blood in both games(well the assist but my taunt was the reason for the kill both times) and was able to snowball in lane with my partner both games(warwick first, corki second game)

Would be really nice to be on vent with the people im playing with, as a few times if people kept fighting i could ult and we could pick up the kill, but they would turn to run right when i ult.

Ugh...lost another game. Though I stole Baron for my team once more with Feast; that stunt was quite fun. :3

Zhonyas is good on him because it gives a good amount of armor and ap, the active isn't needed but comes in handy, albeit not often. Good item that benefit both his rolls as tank and ap nuke.

Naww if anything RoA would better suite his purpose first for hp and ap and then you build raw armor/mr items.

Naww if anything RoA would better suite his purpose first for hp and ap and then you build raw armor/mr items.

Mitigation beats purely hp every time. Banshees and abyssal or abyssal and FoN cover your MR pretty much completely. Zhonyas armor is plenty too. RoA is overhyped on cho. It's not even that effective unless he's maining ap.

He has naturally (insanely) high hp already so hp items aren't that vital, especially early-mid game.

MEMORABLE match first the screenshot:

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It was awesome xD we had a Tank Kennen, he kicked ass, we started with me solo top against mundo, mid our kat vs their sivir and bottom noc with kennen vs xin and Lee, Udyr and WW jungle.
I was doing HORRIBLE at top, was sick of mundo's ult healing, I was 1/4/0 by the time laning ended, we had lost a tower at bottom and mine was half way down, then when I got my ult I started pwning, we won like 4 teamfight thanks to me petrifying their whole team or at least half of it, also I initiaed with that even before my team arrived once, then dropped a misma and q'd and fanged 3 guys, then they started attacking me out of the stun so I hourglass'd and my team arrived to help me get a double kill while they killed the other one.

It was somehow insanely fun even if our Noc fed their xin and I fed their mundo a little, we had all our towers down in mid but we aced them a couple of times, at last we won because we baroned, and while we were leaving we waited in bushes and they went over to baron, so I stunned 3 of them with my ult and we got 4 of them, mundo survived but couldn't do much to protect the base really.

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Dam I need more IP D:
I want nidalee, Cho'Gath, Lux, Cass and I'm about to reach 30 so I'll need that one last quint.... Then I'll probably want to buy tanking runes and AD runes... soo much IP

Just played an EPIC game with Ray and purplefire44. We were down 1 inhib and 2 inhib towers at one point, and we had like 2 of their towers down. Suddenly we ACED them and Ray, purple, and some other dude pushed the middle turret (which wasn't down) ALL THE WAY to the nexus. They demolished 4 turrets and the Nexus in like 60 seconds.

Game lasted like 70 minutes. I died like 3 times in the beginning but I was able to somewhat even the score out.

[spoiler=Another good Cho'Gath match][/spoiler]

Had a GREAT start (was 3-0-1 by 10 min mark), but soon I was getting hit hard by ganks. I got killed 3-4 times by the time laning phase ended. GG getting fed early on. My team didn't call MIAs. >_>

Mid-game, things started getting better. Had some lousy teamfights, had some nice ones. Late-game, we aced them once, then twice. We pushed towers whenever we could. On the second ace, we ran over to Baron and kill it, and simply started pushing. To make long story short, once we started pressuring their mid inhibitor, they surrendered.

For me: Mid and late game phases, I had a good time spiking, silencing, and eating up any enemies whenever I could during teamfights. At one point, I even ate an enemy Cho'Gath. Poor bloke. Got chain CCed too much.

[Disgruntled_Grandpa]

You young whippersnappers call THAT epic? I'll give you a baseline for epic!

What makes a game epic involves staring at the face of inevitable defeat for several minutes, losing all your towers, your inhibitors, and your dignity, and still making a comeback strong enough to suckerpunch their Nexus and their bloody little noses when they see "Defeat" on their screen. Yeah, that's right, from zero to hero!

Oh, you thought "just defend until inhibs come back" didn't you! Didn't you!! No siree, back in MY days, your Nexus is vulnerable and NAKED to backdoor TF once your towers are gone, FOREVER, and there's squat you can do about it! Yet I still destroyed everyone that tried with good ol' Anivia!

[/Disgruntled_Grandpa]


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And then there are games where you roflstomp the other team so badly, they don't even get a chance to surrender. But that happens a lot more often.

Buuuh I was ONE victory away from having my current match history full of wins, of course mentioning it jinxed it and we got stomped on the next game, I had to cho because we had no time when there were 15 seconds left, then once I had masteries ready for cho and locked notice someone had picked a singed...
anyway the match sucked and there's nothing worth mentioning other than we all sucked and they were all good.

So i had my first ARAM game in custom and i think i got the Best champ for that mode: Yi.

I was healing like 500+680 from my W and my Q was doing like 700 damage cuz i went Full AP. And since i already had experience with yi, i took advantage of Highlander and used Alpha Strike on Sure kill champs to refresh CD and repeat. I manage to use alpha strike 3 times in a row once XD.

Buuuh I was ONE victory away from having my current match history full of wins, of course mentioning it jinxed it and we got stomped on the next game, I had to cho because we had no time when there were 15 seconds left, then once I had masteries ready for cho and locked notice someone had picked a singed...
anyway the match sucked and there's nothing worth mentioning other than we all sucked and they were all good.

I swear to god, that was the worst game I ever played as Kassadin.

So i had my first ARAM game in custom and i think i got the Best champ for that mode: Yi.

I was healing like 500+680 from my W and my Q was doing like 700 damage cuz i went Full AP. And since i already had experience with yi, i took advantage of Highlander and used Alpha Strike on Sure kill champs to refresh CD and repeat. I manage to use alpha strike 3 times in a row once XD.

I'd argue GP and Soraka are better in ARAM.

Mitigation beats purely hp every time. Banshees and abyssal or abyssal and FoN cover your MR pretty much completely. Zhonyas armor is plenty too. RoA is overhyped on cho. It's not even that effective unless he's maining ap.

He has naturally (insanely) high hp already so hp items aren't that vital, especially early-mid game.

Not true at all. The only counter to true damage is HP stacking. Also based sheerly on his base stats cho can tank extremely well early - mid game with just RoA and feast stacks. Zhonya's is expensive and there are much better items to select. It isn't over hyped it's extremely useful. Also coming from someone who rushes zhonya's on one of his char's I can tell you the armor is not as great as you make it out to be. No cho will get zhonya's hourglass idk what you're saying. Also what are you talking about? Higher Hp is VERY useful early-mid game the hell? I think you have forgotten his role.. Anyways zhonya's is not a good item to rush if get at all on him nothing you say can change that.

EDIT : IMO he should be getting either RoA or Aegis (this if his team is relatively squishy to make them have a bit more survivability and damage).

Not true at all. The only counter to true damage is HP stacking. Also based sheerly on his base stats cho can tank extremely well early - mid game with just RoA and feast stacks. Zhonya's is expensive and there are much better items to select. It isn't over hyped it's extremely useful. Also coming from someone who rushes zhonya's on one of his char's I can tell you the armor is not as great as you make it out to be. No cho will get zhonya's hourglass idk what you're saying. Also what are you saying? Higher Hp is VERY useful early-mid game the hell? I think you have forgotten his role.. Anyways zhonya's is not a good item to rush if get at all on him nothing you say can change that.

I only know of 4 true damage abilities.
I think armor/mr is better, because even though warmogs gives 1000 hp, 2 negatrons/chainmail doubles your hp against that source. And its cheaper.

I only know of 4 true damage abilities.
I think armor/mr is better, because even though warmogs gives 1000 hp, 2 negatrons/chainmail doubles your hp against that source. And its cheaper.

Yes there are little but my point was that mitigation isnt ALWAYS better. In my opinion his hp is enough to be an unstoppable force early/mid game he doesn't need the mitigation till late. I say build some ap for more dmg or the aegis to further assist your team. Nobody is going to care if you're around and you're doing no damage, you'll just be ignored and can do little to nothing about them picking off your team.

Not true at all. The only counter to true damage is HP stacking. Also based sheerly on his base stats cho can tank extremely well early - mid game with just RoA and feast stacks. Zhonya's is expensive and there are much better items to select. It isn't over hyped it's extremely useful. Also coming from someone who rushes zhonya's on one of his char's I can tell you the armor is not as great as you make it out to be. No cho will get zhonya's hourglass idk what you're saying. Also what are you talking about? Higher Hp is VERY useful early-mid game the hell? I think you have forgotten his role.. Anyways zhonya's is not a good item to rush if get at all on him nothing you say can change that.

EDIT : IMO he should be getting either RoA or Aegis (this if his team is relatively squishy to make them have a bit more survivability and damage).

I didn't say rush zhonyas....... I said rush or just get abyssal and zhonyas. Obviously you're not going to rush a zhonyas since it's so damned expensive >_>

And you rush zhonyas on kennen. He's not a tank and has not good hp unless you get rylais beforehand. And your base defensive stats are inferior to chos, iirc.

He doesn't need roa. HP and AP. HP that's useful, yes but not needed. HP is only better if they have true damage such as another cho. He'll benefit more from a negatron and a chain vest and a blasting wand than roa. He'll have plenty of hp with his stacks, which is one reason he's such a good tank. He can focus on resists and save gold on hp.

An example of my optimal build is:

Dorans Ring
boots 1
Aegis (if no one else gets it)/ Blasting wand
Finish boots (sorcs or lucidity imo)
blasting wand if not already purchased/ negatron
Finish abyssal/ Get chain vest if needed
Finish zhonyas
Defensive/ Offensive item of choice

The reason for lack of banshees is because you should not be getting focused vs logical teams. If they are focusing you, you should be winning team fights anyway or just working around their team to avoid such an event.

This build leaves you at 2.9k health at level 18 with only a doan's ring, boots, abyssal scepter and a chain vest, and gives you 85 ap. If you opt for an aegis you get more hp. This is all without runes and masteries at level 18.

Just had a very long game, we had a 5 man premade with some guys I've been playing from a long time, they all know each other IRL and I sort of joined their team, it was a LONG game but boy was it worth it. MF and me decided to go old style and picked the champions we used when we first met, the rest just used what they liked for the moment, our Cho wasn't good really, he's the lowest lvl from the group and with a better tank (like their amumu, who rocked) we would've won faster.

Match started with me and MF at top against solo Xin, we got the tower in like.... 10 minutes or less, then the messing started, I got fed and ksed some kills with rockets xD so I got a fucking great endgame build, had like 808 AP with on, I carried the team like a boss, people feared me on the other team and I was happy.

The game was VERY even, though, we were aced like 3 times and so were they, at one point we were 4 of us down and only corki alive when their amumu and blitz went baron (we had it warded), corki got there JUST in time from behind to torpedo steal the buff.. for himself since we were all dead, but if they had gotten it we would've lost. The reinhibitors respawned so many times on both sides that you could tell it was a long match... they pushed like bitches many times and I got really mad when they started focusing me, I was 15/4/10 or something at some point and they started to focus me hard, I got to my deaths there :|

Anyway, here's the stats:

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I didn't say rush zhonyas....... I said rush or just get abyssal and zhonyas. Obviously you're not going to rush a zhonyas since it's so damned expensive >_>

And you rush zhonyas on kennen. He's not a tank and has not good hp unless you get rylais beforehand. And your base defensive stats are inferior to chos, iirc.

He doesn't need roa. HP and AP. HP that's useful, yes but not needed. HP is only better if they have true damage such as another cho. He'll benefit more from a negatron and a chain vest and a blasting wand than roa. He'll have plenty of hp with his stacks, which is one reason he's such a good tank. He can focus on resists and save gold on hp.

An example of my optimal build is:

Dorans Ring
boots 1
Aegis (if no one else gets it)/ Blasting wand
Finish boots (sorcs or lucidity imo)
blasting wand if not already purchased/ negatron
Finish abyssal/ Get chain vest if needed
Finish zhonyas
Defensive/ Offensive item of choice

The reason for lack of banshees is because you should not be getting focused vs logical teams. If they are focusing you, you should be winning team fights anyway or just working around their team to avoid such an event.

This build leaves you at 2.9k health at level 18 with only a doan's ring, boots, abyssal scepter and a chain vest, and gives you 85 ap. If you opt for an aegis you get more hp. This is all without runes and masteries at level 18.

If you get abyssal there's no need to get zhonya's since one ap item is more than enough. Abyssal which imo isn't even that great of an item would be enough and it would be time to focus on countering the other teams main sources of damage. Zhonya's is a complete waste of money on cho and there is a reason no cho gath you play with will ever have it in there build, in fact I challange any of you to look at cho gath builds when you see them play and count how often you'll see zhonya's hourglass.. He's a disabling tank I think you've forgotten his role in the team. Also tank or not you can see the difference in the dmg done to a char with the armor or not.. 50 armor is not that big of a deal, and if you bought a chain vest you're better off turning it into something FAR more useful than zhonya's hourglass.. A chain vest can be built up to randuins which will do far more than the hourglass. RoA is an amazing choice on him and there is a reason why 8-9/10 cho gaths you play with will get it, and it isn't because they like purple wands.

My opinion
Dorans ring, Mercs or Lucidity, RoA/Aegis whichever you feel is better to get first, then you build to counter the other team (Thornmail, FoN, Randuins, Frozen Heart) and if your game is going into the crazy amounts of time GA is always a nice addition to an unkillable giant ant.

Tanky Xin was tanky! HP + AD items = fun times Xin. I had around 3100 HP when my last game ended and it was lulzy. Just sucks the enemy team had a bad Yi who fed me and Kat about 4-5 kills before the lane phase ended =/
Also Fiddle sucks! Crowstorm eats HP like it's nothing!

Tanky Xin was tanky! HP + AD items = fun times Xin. I had around 3100 HP when my last game ended and it was lulzy. Just sucks the enemy team had a bad Yi who fed me and Kat about 4-5 kills before the lane phase ended =/
Also Fiddle sucks! Crowstorm eats HP like it's nothing!

I used to play as fiddle a lot, but not anymore.
People at my current level never push when I'm jungling