8.9 Magnitude Earthquake Hits Japan + Tsunami and Alerts

Got to hate it when they use such similar names.

Although, you shouldn't try capitalizing on one minor mistake when you've been completely ignoring and misrepresenting data throughout the entire topic. You've even been claiming situations there have been safe when I repeatedly cited sources that show constant issues and failures in Japan regarding their management of nuclear power.

He says in 2003 reactors across the country had to be shut down after it emerged the Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) had hid accidents.

"They had to shut down 17 plants in 2003 because they'd been falsifying the records about what had been happening at them," he said.

"Now the accidents weren't of a major nature. They weren't anything like what's going on in Fukushima.

"But they were serious in the sense that lives were threatened, systems broke down, there were failures to report and there were cover-ups. People pretended things hadn't happened."

It says a lot about those so called experts and safe conditions you are praising.

Now, I need to try to not to get too caught up debating or I might lose out on sleep.

I take everything back. Japan's in a full nuclear crisis right now. I think France got it pretty accurately, that this thing is 5 on the scale. Winds around the plant are heading southward to Kanto, so all the major economic areas including Tokyo =S

Got to hate it when they use such similar names.

Although, you shouldn't try capitalizing on one minor mistake when you've been completely ignoring and misrepresenting data throughout the entire topic. You've even been claiming situations there have been safe when I repeatedly cited sources that show constant issues and failures in Japan regarding their management of nuclear power.


It says a lot about those so called experts and safe conditions you are praising.

Now, I need to try to not to get too caught up debating or I might lose out on sleep.

Please quote me where I threw out misrepresented data and/or any claim that the situation actually IS safe, that is, if you are not trying to put words into my mouth.

ALSO, please post an article with at least half of its length dedicated to factual information, something like this before you brand me as ignoring your facts. For the record, labeling the government's shadiness from 8 years ago does not count as factual information that contributes towards the happening as of present, because after all, it is your (or anyone's) guesses and assumptions.

Oh pineapple.

Confirmation of loud sounds this morning came from the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA). It noted that “the suppression chamber may be damaged.” It is not clear that the sounds were explosions.

Also known as the torus, this large doughnut-shaped structure sits in the centre of the reactor building at a lower level than the reactor. It contains a very large body of water to which steam can be directed in emergency situations. The steam then condenses and reduces pressure in the reactor system.

The pressure in the pool was seen to decrease from three atmospheres to one atmosphere after the noise, suggesting possible damage. Radiation levels on the edge of the plant compound briefly spiked at 8217 microsieverts per hour but later fell to about a third that.

A close watch is being kept on the radiation levels to ascertain the status of containment. As a precaution Tokyo Electric Power Company has evacuated all non-essential personnel from the unit. The company’s engineers continue to pump seawater into the reactor pressure vessel, in an effort to cool it.

Prime minister Naoto Kan has requested that everyone withdraw from the ten kilometer evacuation zone around the nuclear power plant and that people that stay within remain indoors. He said his advice related to the overall picture of safety developments at Fukushima Daiichi, rather than those at any individual reactor unit.

Plus the 4th reactor, that never had a problem, was on fire.
Apparently 10 hours till low level radiation carried by wind reaches Tokyo...

Meh... screw sleep.
Too much pomegranate is going on.

Please quote me where I threw out misrepresented data and/or any claim that the situation actually IS safe, that is, if you are not trying to put words into my mouth.

ALSO, please post an article with at least half of its length dedicated to factual information, something like this before you brand me as ignoring your facts. For the record, labeling the government's shadiness from 8 years ago does not count as factual information that contributes towards the happening as of present, because after all, it is your (or anyone's) guesses and assumptions.

Oh pineapple.

To quote you

It was believed to be safe, and guess what, up until now, it has been safe. This is not Italy, we don't change power plants because they are unfashionable.

And now you claim you never said it was safe.

And yes, the fact that they have mishandled and commited fraud in the past with their power plants has nothing to do with the issues of today and their power plants or the fact that they ignored the scientists that warned them about potential disasters like this.

CommanderJinn, could you post some sources? I'll be looking myself while I wait.

Edit:
Yep... fire
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/20...ease_.html

I've been using the BBC's twitter feed for info.

I've been using the BBC's twitter feed for info.

Too be honest, I dont like BBC, but I'll look at it (Its a rather small point since I dont like a lot of news organizations). Thanks.

Supermarket in Yokohama :










Sayaka said it's really hard to even buy food at the moment in Japan because so many people are buying supermarkets out.

Shizuoka is ok now but northern Japan grow a lot of stuffs (rice,fish,vegetables etc...) but there's messed up with salt water fro ocean so we can't grow anything for at least 3,5 years from now so we can't have enough food soon.

This is saddening. =/

Meh... screw sleep.
Too much pomegranate is going on.


To quote you

And now you claim you never said it was safe.

And yes, the fact that they have mishandled and commited fraud in the past with their power plants has nothing to do with the issues of today and their power plants or the fact that they ignored the scientists that warned them about potential disasters like this.

I would have liked to avoid arguing semantics, but you really did miss the point. It had been safe up to that point, and that was conclusive from several collected sources of facts.

And I really don't understand why you are so in love with that warning. It is merely a "I told you so" sort of bullpomegranate that emerged exactly at this point of time for certain transparent reasons. Anyone could have issued the warnings he did, because quite frankly, it severely lacked material. The designed are flawed? How flawed? In what areas? What should be the expected function of said areas? They're built on active seismic geographical neighborhood? Why did you wait till 2003 to say so? Why don't you already give me something factual about this pineappleing warning instead of rubbing it in my face as if it were the Bible and everyone should not question it? Even his warnings could very well have been absurd, which could be the reason why it was outright ignored. Just because one part of it became true (and was conveniently quoted in reports) does not mean the whole thing (if anything else is existent) is worthy of attention.
I could be wrong though, in the event that the reporting news agency you quoted omitted out the details of his warnings. But obviously, in their position, they would have used whatever example they had available to make their case, so I assumed that not to be the case.

About the CONCEALMENT of truth, commitment of fraud or whatever bad-guy color you want to paint on them, your OWN source did rate the incident as "not of a major nature". Now then, if I lied about stealing a lollipops from the mall, it would be reasonable not to trust my denial in committing a murder later on (it would be regardless, until I'm proven innocent), but it also does not prove me guilty. Governments do things in the shadow, again, I was NOT taking their words for the safety we had been seeing, I believed in the constraints that was put on them (to make them spill the truth, or part of it).

I would have liked to avoid arguing semantics, but you really did miss the point. It had been safe up to that point, and that was conclusive from several collected sources of facts.

Which is a blatant lie. Sources say that the plants where not safe before, and have had several serious issues in the past.

About the CONCEALMENT of truth, commitment of fraud or whatever bad-guy color you want to paint on them, your OWN source did rate the incident as "not of a major nature". Now then, if I lied about stealing a lollipops from the mall, it would be reasonable not to trust my denial in committing a murder later on, but it also does not prove me guilty. Governments do things in the shadow, again, I was NOT taking their words for the safety we had been seeing, I believed in the constraints that was put on them (to make them spill the truth, or part of it).

I didnt paint them that way, they did it themselves.
You also are misrepresenting what the source said (yet again). The accidents where not major when compared to Fukushima. However it was serious, because lives were threatened.

"Now the accidents weren't of a major nature. They weren't anything like what's going on in Fukushima.

"But they were serious in the sense that lives were threatened, systems broke down, there were failures to report and there were cover-ups. People pretended things hadn't happened."

Your analogy also does not apply. Stealing loly pops is nothing compared and unrelated to murder. However, there is a history in japan of covering up information regarding nuclear disasters and issues - which was the original point of me posting the article.
They covered up information in the past, and their MO suggests that they might be doing it now.

Edit: considering the fact that the Japanese government ignored the warnings, and exactly what they where warned about occured, I'd say your point of "oh he must have been crazy" is a pretty pathetic point. It only shows that the government was incompetent and allowed a disaster to occur.

Which is a blatant lie. Sources say that the plants where not safe before, and have had several serious issues in the past.

I didnt paint them that way, they did it themselves.
You also are misrepresenting what the source said (yet again). The accidents where not major when compared to Fukushima. However it was serious, because lives were threatened.

Oh, as far as I am aware, only the operators were insignificantly injured in this Fukushima incident. If previous happenings included people being hurt to a degree much more minor than this, it would probably have been a kid standing too close to a door when somebody opened it. Thusly: "of no major nature".
And, again, whose lives were threatened? There is a major difference between the endangerment to the life of a reactor-core operator and that of a lucky-one-in-a-million citizen some hundreds of miles away. That operator may very well have screwed himself up as well, which would be embarrassing enough to want to cover up.

Your analogy also does not apply. Stealing loly pops is nothing compared and unrelated to murder. However, there is a history in japan of covering up information regarding nuclear disasters and issues - which was the original point of me posting the article.
The covered up information in the past, and their MO suggests that they might be doing it now.

In what way? It's both lying to conveniently get myself out of punishment.

Oh, as far as I am aware, only the operators were insignificantly injured in this Fukushima incident. If previous happenings included people being hurt to a degree much more minor than this, it would probably have been a kid standing too close to a door when somebody opened it. Thusly: "of no major nature".
And, again, whose lives were threatened? There is a major difference between the endangerment to the life of a reactor-core operator and that of a lucky-one-in-a-million citizen some hundreds of miles away. That operator may very well have screwed himself up as well, which would be embarrassing enough to want to cover up.



In what way? It's both lying to conveniently get myself out of punishment.

It is quite possibly because of either evacuation or suppression of information that prevents you from knowing exact death tolls. Its hard to say which.
The only thing definite is supression of information.

The problem is that Japan lied about the same sort of things (power plant issues). You're talking about lying about a small thing and comparing it to lying about a major thing.

Edit: in other news stereo was right about this being different from chernobyl.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/201...-steroids/
Except it might actually be worse.

It is quite possibly because of either evacuation or suppression of information that prevents you from knowing exact death tolls. Its hard to say which.
The only thing definite is supression of information.

If it is of your opinion that the death toll is not yet accessible, how can such a comparison be readily made?

If it is of your opinion that the death toll is not yet accessible, how can such a comparison be readily made?

Good question. I didnt make the comparison. Ask the person that did.
I'm mostly just trying to relay information, but I'm getting dragged into debating instead.

Plus the 4th reactor, that never had a problem, was on fire.
Apparently 10 hours till low level radiation carried by wind reaches Tokyo...

About 10 minutes later:

Prime minister Naoto Kan confirmed a fire burning at unit 4, which, according to all official sources, had never been a safety concern since the earthquake. This reactor was closed for periodic inspections when the earthquake and tsunami hit, therefore did not undergo a rapid and sudden shutdown. It was of course violently shaken and subject to the tsunami.

Kan's spokesman Noriyuki Shikata said that there had been "a sign of leakage" while firefighters were at work, "but we have found out the fuel is not causing the fire." The fire is now reported extinguished.

http://gizmodo.com/#!5781566/this-is-the...sunami-yet

Damn, son. Tsunamis are serious business.

Um... Let's make a list of current problems Japan is facing, just to put it simply for people who may read this and may not easily understand what's going on.

-Earthquake; A pretty good sum of damage to some areas of eastern Japan.
-Tsunami; Completely destroyed the north-east side of Japan. Homes were lost, thousands of lives were lost, jobs were lost, etc.
-Odaiba Oil Refinery Exploded; Good bye to a pretty good amount of natural resources. This will probably make gas prices sky rocket and it'll probably make Japan's economy collapse further than the situation had already put them in.
-Nuclear Reactor issue; Quite a few Nuclear Facilities are having major issues at the moment. If things keep going poorly, this COULD lead to an even worse incident, even involving neighboring countries.
-Jobs were lost; furthering the unemployment rates and an impending economic crash
-Food shortages; A huge portion of Japan's agriculture was destroyed in north-eastern Japan, so now Japan will not have a sufficient supply of food or other supplies for at least 3 to 5 years from now.


If you have more to add, please do.

another 9/11 but more serious, lol. gg japan, hope you recover soon. @_@

One of the Dutch news sites posted a link to a livestream of a geiger counter (an instrument to measure radiation) in Chiba, which is twohundred kilometers (125 miles) south of the Fukushima Nuclear Plant. (And fifteen km/ten miles east of Tokio.)

It measures the μSv/h (micro sievert per hour). About 0.16 is normal.
All the information I mentioned here is what I found on his channel.

The volcano? It's not much yet but it could get a hell of a lot worse.