the reason LHC rocks.

Until they announce that the LHC equips are freely tradeable (or the 130/140 equips for that matter) I'm staying away. The stat bonus doesn't matter if I can't use it on my Dark Knight. Same reason I'm dropping my +1 stance shoes (well that and they're 2 lined). I need to be able to account-trade stuff at a minimum.

Either stone golems or beowolves. Personally i think stone golems in map 3 is the best map hands down, but it depends entirely on your party and it's synergy. A s'hit party that's very strong won't do that much better than a well coordinated weaker party.

Thank you.
What are the stats on stone golems and beowolves (or, preferably, where do I look this stuff up)?

Account trading is nice but to me tradeability is only useful for getting your money back later on. Other than that i have no use for account tradeable DecSE pirate gloves...cuz i don't have another pirate lol. I know they aren't freely tradeable but they're SoK req instead of Psok for the rest of the equipment, which is more than fine for me. Besides, cash trade room may be out by the time i need to resell the glove so tradeable restriction wouldn't matter.

@ above: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=31253, but keep in mind this is out dated. Keep an eye out for the GMS extraction when it comes out.

@ above: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=31253, but keep in mind this is out dated. Keep an eye out for the GMS extraction when it comes out.

Thank you. I'm aware of that one, but thought you guys were referencing something less than six months old (and with English names).
On the other hand, there's no way of knowing just which KMS version of LHC we will be getting... and what original localizations GMS might perpetrate on it.

I will of course check out the GMS extraction when it's available, but for now I was wondering how high I need to level my HS and CO mules for them to count for party bonus. Also wanted to see what kind of exp I can expect if I solo. (Being in Kradia and on Central European Time, my party possibilities are kind of bleak).

LHC will easily be faster than any other spot (After a certain point for some people).

Like I said, LHC castle golems is like training on 10mil HP tengus, except they're all over the place. I think for all classes, bossing > training once you get to the samurai/tengu/anego levels and beyond.

If I could train on Papulatus all day, with no breaks, I'd get over 40%/hr on my 15x Paladin. LHC makes that possible. So, yeah, it's gonna be good exp.

Hmmm... Eos' ETL calculator tells me I need another 12.6b exp to get to 200.
That means about 47k of those castle golems (assuming their exp is still as listed).
Using a conservative estimate of one minute per each, that's 200 days of 4 hours training a day.
Better than the calculator's current estimate that I'll get there in 2.5 years, I suppose.
With party bonus and HS, though... l can get to level 200 in a couple months? That sounds... too good to be true. Not to say "broken".

Do mobbing classes excel there, or is it more of a DPS sort of thing? For example, would a DrK be better, or a corsair using bullseye and cannon? Is there any sort of tier list in KMS?

How does a well coordinated 'weak' party work? Castle Golems is just two mostly straight platforms. Do they cycle together, or do they split up?

Hmmm... Eos' ETL calculator tells me I need another 12.6b exp to get to 200.
That means about 47k of those castle golems (assuming their exp is still as listed).
Using a conservative estimate of one minute per each, that's 200 days of 4 hours training a day.
Better than the calculator's current estimate that I'll get there in 2.5 years, I suppose.
With party bonus and HS, though... l can get to level 200 in a couple months? That sounds... too good to be true. Not to say "broken".

Castle Golems aren't 268k EXP by the way. They're about 57-60kish.

Castle Golems aren't 268k EXP by the way. They're about 57-60kish.

See, I knew that old extraction is pretty much irrelevant. LF> up-to-date data?

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.ph...2316&l=312

Here's a post on Van Leon boss if anyone is interested.

Castle Golems give 58285 exp.

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.ph...2316&l=312

Here's a post on Van Leon boss if anyone is interested.

Castle Golems give 58285 exp.

add the 250% party bonus.
and HS.
and 1.2x if usable.

Do mobbing classes excel there, or is it more of a DPS sort of thing? For example, would a DrK be better, or a corsair using bullseye and cannon? Is there any sort of tier list in KMS?

How does a well coordinated 'weak' party work? Castle Golems is just two mostly straight platforms. Do they cycle together, or do they split up?

Usually you can get a mob of about 3 of these bosses, which means classes whose main attack is also a small mob attack, like I/L AMs, Shadowers, And Heros, get a little better training than pretty much just NLs, who is the only class I can think of that has no strong 4th job mob attack.

add the 250% party bonus if available.
and HS if available.
and 1.2x for 45 minutes a day, tops.

Fixed.
Non-leeching mules don't count towards bonus, right?
So for a party of two with HS, what kind of exp am I looking at? 58285 x 1.5 (party) x 1.2 (HS) = 104913. For 12.5m HP (or is that not right either?). Unless my damage improves a lot, that adds up to under 10m exp/hr. Better than Ob4, but not even close to Ob4 on 2x/4x, that I used to have pre-Big-Bang.
So, as far as I'm concerned, BB still screwed me over.
Ah well, knew it was too good to be true.

Fixed.
Non-leeching mules don't count towards bonus, right?
So for a party of two with HS, what kind of exp am I looking at? 58285 x 1.5 (party) x 1.2 (HS) = 104913. For 12.5m HP (or is that not right either?). Unless my damage improves a lot, that adds up to under 10m exp/hr. Better than Ob4, but not even close to Ob4 on 2x/4x, that I used to have pre-Big-Bang.
So, as far as I'm concerned, BB still screwed me over.
Ah well, knew it was too good to be true.

I don't think you're getting it.
Lionheart Castle is supposed to suggest party training. If you go there without a party of 6, of course the experience will suck. It's pointless comparing regular training to Lionheart Castle training.

I don't think you're getting it.
Lionheart Castle is supposed to suggest party training. If you go there without a party of 6, of course the experience will suck. It's pointless comparing regular training to Lionheart Castle training.

This. Don't you guys remember the good old squidparties? If you did not team up with guildies, you cc'ed around looking for available spots in random training parties. I imagine lionheart is no different, but if people cling to the stupid hater attitude and stubbornly refuse to party, it will not be pretty. I for one will rage if if I find the entire complex hoged by soloers. Oh and the same goes for low level players that should really be elsewhere.

I don't think you're getting it.
Lionheart Castle is supposed to suggest party training. If you go there without a party of 6, of course the experience will suck. It's pointless comparing regular training to Lionheart Castle training.

I'm getting it.
Unfortunately, I live in a world and timezone that make a party of six very hard to find.
So, LHC doesn't solve the slow-leveling-after-BB for me.
Glad it solves it for others, I suppose.

I'm getting it.
Unfortunately, I live in a world and timezone that make a party of six very hard to find.
So, LHC doesn't solve the slow-leveling-after-BB for me.
Glad it solves it for others, I suppose.

I suppose there would be someplace where people will gather on ch1 to find parties to train.

I'm getting it.
Unfortunately, I live in a world and timezone that make a party of six very hard to find.
So, LHC doesn't solve the slow-leveling-after-BB for me.
Glad it solves it for others, I suppose.

We are more than enough europeans in the older servers to form parties at times when the american maplers sleep and attend school without too much problems. Also the (legit) players that are 170+ tend to play att odd times anyway. We just need to start talking to each other like in the old days.

Hopefully LHC is released before Pokemon B&W comes out =/