BM Skills 150+

The only time Hamstring is useful, it's more beneficial to max other skills. By the time those skills are maxed, Hamstring isn't useful.


Sad..

ive heard that Hamstring is extremely useful at skeles.

At 16x, it'd already be absolutely worthless to me. I don't build mobs, as I blaze through anything with my Hurricane and Hurricane-tapping + Phoenix. Skeles usually don't move very far from where I see them/where they spawn. By the time I got Hamstring, I'd be even stronger and it would make even less sense.

It could potentially be useful with some training styles, I suppose. But I wouldn't be the one to ask about that. Honestly, I think Hamstring would hinder me more than it would help. I sometimes like to tick off some Skeles that spawn behind me so that they'll follow me over to where I'm killing other Skeles, then they'll be ready for me to kill when I'm done. Lol I don't need them slowpoking behind me.

*shrugs*

In simple terms, the post above me is quite right.

It'd probably be pretty useful for me in my awesome 12xness, to keep them from reaching me. But I'd like to have more damage.

But you can easily just use two ciders instead of concentrate o_O assuming 1atk is negligible. I think I like where phoenix is heading.

But ciders dont stack in inventory slots.

So if you have 10 ciders... that's 10 slots. So better to be able to alternate them with concentrate.

I have max hamstring since 15x and i find it really useful at skeles with 1hitko bishop who makes awesome spawn. So when i jump down from plat i just dp on both sides and hamstring will work on many monsters which makes no use of pots for me (i use 400 gingers in 4-6h becouse of spawn on me). Its also very good for zak spawns. They are slowerd down and cant reach you very fast. But ya... should work on bosses also.
Im doing concentrate now (170) and i almost never use it. I find phoenix not good becouse it aggro mobs on you which is not good. I allways use hawk. Just my style of play.
Dp is good at lvl1 for very long time.

Say you're the kind of person that likes to kill bosses all day i.e. anego, bigfoot, crow, pianus, pap, zak, Would you pursue phoenix or concentrate? I think overall, phoenix would increase my dps more than concentrate, no? Especially if I choose to apple at some bosses while solo-ing.

As for hamstring, MarkoM's post is very informative. It also happens to be very similar to what I was told about hamstring by my "mentor". Though, I do doubt its effectiveness at bossing, which is what I like to do.

I went max MW first and I dont regret a minute of it. Also phoenix and concentrate in my opinion are both fun skills. Neither skill is going to make such a huge significant difference in terms of killing efficiency since for training you will be owning and for bossing apples/demon elixirs/gelt chocolates would always be faster than any combination of conc, phoenix, or ciders. Dude its ur character pick a skill that you would enjoy seeing cuz after 150 its really just about looks lol. Archer FTW?

I went max MW first and I dont regret a minute of it. Also phoenix and concentrate in my opinion are both fun skills. Neither skill is going to make such a huge significant difference in terms of killing efficiency since for training you will be owning and for bossing apples/demon elixirs/gelt chocolates would always be faster than any combination of conc, phoenix, or ciders. Dude its ur character pick a skill that you would enjoy seeing cuz after 150 its really just about looks lol. Archer FTW?

I agree entirely. Felix could argue in favor of Phoenix or I could argue in favor of Concentrate, but really it's not a big debate. Unlike the Inferno/Thrust debate, you're going to eventually max both of these skills. In my opinion, neither choice is any worse than the other because they're both good skills. Just choose what suits your style of play more.