I just bought Metroid : Other M for $13 Brand New

The only ting you actually have to go on is "it makes the game more difficult" which once again for like the hundreth time could have been done by a plot device of removing all of her upgrades.

Add the Space Federation Marines into the Space Station ruined the game even more. It removed a highly valued atmospheric quality to the game.

Isolationism.

Samus being alone having no worry about anyone or anything getting in her way. No Samus has to worry about these character who are usually or just getting in the way 99% of the time? Great. Having these guys put a plot hole. Why didn't Samus just ask Adam "Are any of these guys nearby? No? Dropping a Super Bomb." Even if it was so dangerous that it'd reach that far through the ship, I doubt the Super Missle would be a problem. Is it really that much a problem, then I doubt the Grappler Beam could honestly be THAT much of a danger.

What? Does the Varia Suit emit some sort of amazing radiation? Hell, if that was said I might, and that is a big might, have said that was a little OK but no. Nothing like that was ever said.

Again, we could talk about how things COULD be different, but there's no point. It is what it is.

Yeah it's not like you've ever complained about something implemented in other games like Maplestory or anything -_-

Really... you're on and happen to be an active member of a site more or less tailored for people to rant about a specific games implementation.

Just because something is done poorly and is released does not mean we can't complain about the VERY poor job done on the game.

It is what it is and we are discussing about WHY it's bad. Don't try and sugar coat something that isn't good. The authorization thing is a bad plot device and was poorly executed. Metroid is an old series. If you were to suddenly flip the character we've been picturing throughout these two decades, people aren't going to accept that.

Ignore it and have it happen the next game. Don't ignore the flaws, acknowledge them.

The only ting you actually have to go on is "it makes the game more difficult" which once again for like the hundreth time could have been done by a plot device of removing all of her upgrades.

Add the Space Federation Marines into the Space Station ruined the game even more. It removed a highly valued atmospheric quality to the game.

Isolationism.

Samus being alone having no worry about anyone or anything getting in her way. No Samus has to worry about these character who are usually or just getting in the way 99% of the time? Great. Having these guys put a plot hole. Why didn't Samus just ask Adam "Are any of these guys nearby? No? Dropping a Super Bomb." Even if it was so dangerous that it'd reach that far through the ship, I doubt the Super Missle would be a problem. Is it really that much a problem, then I doubt the Grappler Beam could honestly be THAT much of a danger.

What? Does the Varia Suit emit some sort of amazing radiation? Hell, if that was said I might, and that is a big might, have said that was a little OK but no. Nothing like that was ever said.

Again, we could go all night and day with this. lol

They've done the isolation thing in every game except Metroid Fusion and the Metroid Prime trilogy. In both instances, you had either a computer telling you what to do or you had the presence of the Galactic Federation there. Samus went there alone... She ran into the Federation soldiers. There wasn't anything she could really do about it except cooperate, which is what she did. In doing so, she had to follow orders, whether she liked them or not. That's just what you do with military -- you follow orders with no questions asked.

Yeah it's not like you've ever complained about something implemented in other games like Maplestory or anything -_-

Really... you're on and happen to be an active member of a site more or less tailored for people to rant about a specific games implementation.

Just because something is done poorly and is released does not mean we can't complain about the VERY poor job done on the game.

When it's the only thing being argued about, it's kind of pointless. I could be thinking of thousands upon millions of ways the Legend of Zelda could be different, but I don't complain about the game the way it is because it could be another way.

When it's the only thing being argued about, it's kind of pointless. I could be thinking of thousands upon millions of ways the Legend of Zelda could be different, but I don't complain about the game the way it is because it could be another way.

If you see a massive error and have ways it can be corrected or improved and you keep silent, congratulations, your contributing to the series eventual death.

I agree general suggestions are more or less pointless, but ways in which a game NEEDS to be helped because of poor implementation are needed.

They've done the isolation thing in every game except Metroid Fusion and the Metroid Prime trilogy.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, only MP3 had her teaming up with the Feds.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh, only MP3 had her teaming up with the Feds.

That's still a part of the Metroid Prime trilogy, no?

An AI that only tells your next destination point and being on a Space Station with about 6 Feds who make you unable to use your weapon "in fear of hurting them" is two different things.

1 Game is not a trilogy. She teamed with the Feds at the beginning of that game. For the most part, she was completely alone.

Finally, at this point in Other M, she is a full fledged bounty hunter. She is no longer part of the military. She does not have to follow orders. She's on her own.

That's still a part of the Metroid Prime trilogy, no?

Yes, but you can't say the entire trilogy was exactly like 1 game. That's just stupid.

An AI that only tells your next destination point and being on a Space Station with about 6 Feds who make you unable to use your weapon "in fear of hurting them" is two different things.

1 Game is not a trilogy. She teamed with the Feds at the beginning of that game. For the most part, she was completely alone.

Finally, at this point in Other M, she is a full fledged bounty hunter. She is no longer part of the military. She does not have to follow orders. She's on her own.

A game which is still part OF the trilogy. It falls into that category of "the Metroid Prime trilogy."


Think of it this way -- You're on a ship. You run into a group with two of which are like family to you. Do you wish to put their lives at risk? No matter what you are NOW, what you have had in the past with them makes you not want to ever hurt them. Even if you're not part of the military anymore, you're GOING to follow orders simply because of the respect you have for both the commander and the member of the crew.

Besides, you don't really team up with the soldiers during the game except those instances. The rest of the time, you're completely alone, searching your own section of the ship.


@Mark : I didn't imply that you were with them the ENTIRE trilogy. I would have clearly stated that if I meant that.

@Mark : I didn't imply that you were with them the ENTIRE trilogy. I would have clearly stated that if I meant that.

You technically did by saying "Metroid Prime Trilogy".

You technically did by saying "Metroid Prime" trilogy.

Well, I'm sorry I wasn't 100% specific. I haven't played the trilogy in years. I can't clearly remember which point of the story fell under which title.


That's my aim when I get home to VA Beach -- play through the entire Metroid Prime trilogy.

You're misunderstanding their point about the equipment usage.

Yeah, it is odd that Samus has all her equipment from the get-go but doesn't use it from a story perspective. Obviously it makes sense from a gameplay perspective since you can't have people starting the game with the screw attack and plasma beam. So the next logical step is that they give reasons for her to not use her equipment for the sake of making the story make more sense. Not only was the reason (dangerous, could cause casualties, weak structures, etc.) flimsy when Samus faces a life or death situation, but it didn't explain at all why she couldn't use non-aggressive things such as the Varia Suit or the Space Jump. If they were going to have upgrades unlocked in such an unusual way, they could have at least come up with a decent story-related reason other than for arbitrary game breakpoints and area restriction.

You're misunderstanding their point about the equipment usage.

Yeah, it is odd that Samus has all her equipment from the get-go but doesn't use it from a story perspective. Obviously it makes sense from a gameplay perspective since you can't have people starting the game with the screw attack and plasma beam. So the next logical step is that they give reasons for her to not use her equipment for the sake of making the story make more sense. Not only was the reason (dangerous, could cause casualties, weak structures, etc.) flimsy when Samus faces a life or death situation, but it didn't explain at all why she couldn't use non-aggressive things such as the Varia Suit or the Space Jump. If they were going to have upgrades unlocked in such an unusual way, they could have at least come up with a decent story-related reason other than for arbitrary game breakpoints and area restriction.

Well, you do kind of have to think outside the box with some of them. The Varia suit has no logical explanation for not being used with the exception of making the game more difficult.

Speed booster - It could theoretically make you hit a specific part of the ship or something and destroy or damage something vital or it could send off a frequency that makes the creatures more aggressive or attract them to a single point, causing an unneeded situation.

Grapple Beam - There's not much reason for this being locked with the exception that it restricted you from getting places too early.

Power Bomb - Adam states this reason. If it explodes, it could get another life form caught in its radius.

Wave Beam - If you shot through an object and someone was on the other side without you knowing, hello unnecessary casualty (even though it states in the game you can only shoot through transparent or semi-transparent objects).



Some of these things can have good reasons, some are just kind of... pointless.

Well, you do kind of have to think outside the box with some of them. The Varia suit has no logical explanation for not being used with the exception of making the game more difficult.

Speed booster - It could theoretically make you hit a specific part of the ship or something and destroy or damage something vital or it could send off a frequency that makes the creatures more aggressive or attract them to a single point, causing an unneeded situation.

Grapple Beam - There's not much reason for this being locked with the exception that it restricted you from getting places too early.

Power Bomb - Adam states this reason. If it explodes, it could get another life form caught in its radius.

Wave Beam - If you shot through an object and someone was on the other side without you knowing, hello unnecessary casualty (even though it states in the game you can only shoot through transparent or semi-transparent objects).



Some of these things can have good reasons, some are just kind of... pointless.

"It could theoretically" -- Saying something like this means you had to invent a reason why an irrationality happened. In a well-told story, you shouldn't have to. His already poor reasoning makes even less sense when he tells her to use those things later in the game. I guess the wildlife or potential people/soldiers in the neighboring rooms suddenly stop mattering to him at a specific point in the game. On this point, the writer either was being outright lazy, or is a very bad writer.

A lot of your arguments for why the "You're following orders, so that's why you can't use the most effective equipment you have for this particular problem" works is due to story elements that were only brought up in Other M (ie. Samus' respect for Adam/former fellow marines)

I think the main reason everyone's complaining is that she went along with it when she really didn't have to. I mean she destroyed planets and wiped out races to fulfill her commissions from the federation, and all of a sudden she's not willing to do anything out of line due to Adam's orders, even though she hasn't even been hired?

Sure it was a good idea to give Samus a voice for once, but they could've taken a bunch of different archetypal female personalities BESIDES a submissive one. Samus didn't need a father figure, and didn't need to respect anyone. She's supposed to be cold and heartless, due to her family, friends, home and planet being destroyed when she was still just a girl, then going through brutal training to effectively become a killing machine by the Chozo.

As a game by itself it's fine. The gameplay is great for any non-metroid purist.

What Adam could've done, besides saying "I order you not to do it", is use some sort of federation tech to disable the suit temporarily. I mean considering that Samus is a bounty hunter for hire who has proven that she can annihilate entire planets, you'd think it'd make sense for the federation to have some sort of ace in case she goes rogue.

"It could theoretically" -- Saying something like this means you had to invent a reason why an irrationality happened. In a well-told story, you shouldn't have to. His already poor reasoning makes even less sense when he tells her to use those things later in the game. I guess the wildlife or potential people/soldiers in the neighboring rooms suddenly stop mattering to him at a specific point in the game. On this point, the writer either was being outright lazy, or is a very bad writer.

Well, it shouldn't all have to be spelled out. Some of it is pretty straight forward logic. The main point is that some of the equipment has the ability to put not only Samus but the entire crew at risk and that it had to be checked out first if the equipment is safe to use. That's the argument they use in the game. Take that and decipher it how you please.

"If you use the Grappling Beam, you might leak deadly radiation from it and cause the sun to explode"

That was the vibe I got when I rented that game and he's like "Can't use anything without authorization."
Not to mention Samus practically worships that plantain, Adam.

I'm just going to say that I share the negative opinion of this game. Most everything has really already been said, and is being repeated over and over, so there's not much point in that if either side isn't giving up.

I will however note on the topic of exploration; sure you can re-explore at the end of the game, but that isn't quite the same thing. This game reminds me of how world maps are being progressively removed from games as times go on and that constant "point of no returns" are being thrown in that just force OCD people to replay the game if they weren't using a guide. True free exploration is something to behold. On that note; however slightly off; but still a comparison; I've always preferred Majora's Mask to Ocarina of Time. Sure it was a side story reusing the same system, but there were far more things to explore and discover independently within the game.

Also, concerning the comparison of characterization of long running characters such as Samus and Link. I'd be fine with a change in Link. Main reason is that there are multiple different heroes that go by that name throughout the franchise. Because of this, I could care less if the next generation was a street thug who didn't care about responsibilities, but still stood up for his friends thus earning him his triforce of courage. He can be a different person throughout the times. Samus however, is only one person who has championed an image for women other than Lara Croft for decades. I may be a guy, but I feel bad for the few gal gamers that had once looked up to her.

Anyway. Opinions. We all have them. They aren't absolute. The other guy has them too. Same with his. Live with yours and let him live with his. Things aren't going to change that easily.