Mandatory Vaccinations

wWhat? Do you realize how much like a conspiracy theorist you sound like right now? The very fact that you refuse to look at actual scientific evidence posted in this thread shows that you are just as blind as you claim others are. I'm not going to say that the studies are 100% accurate and prove everything, but it's not like theres absolutely no truth in them. Oh, but those studies MUST have been backed by the government and big business, and can't be trusted! The drug companies must be making fortunes off of vaccines! Oh wait, They don't.

But the government must be feeding me lies! I BET THERE ARE SECRET GPS CHIPS IN THE VACCINATIONS AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS THEIR SATELLITES HONED IN ON ME RIGHT NOW OH GOD SOMEONE HOLD ME

You're miss interpreting the information in your link. "sparse profits; costly research, development and production; and liability concerns." Are concerns of the past and the reasons vaccines have only recently been heavily pushed on Americans. Its only recent because development and production logically improve over time, and with legislation to protect vaccine companies from the people they disable and murder easily allows them to to cut research costs and eliminates liability concerns. Dont forget the increases profit from the fact that innoculation is forced and there is increased profits from those that are disabled from the vaccines.

Also, the Obamacare will require all Americans to be implanted with a microchip.
http://current.com/news/90842279_coverag...rochip.htm
http://www.examiner.com/carroll-county-c...microchips
Its hilarous that you are joking about a proven fact.

And looking back at the principles our countries where based on, I have this to say. "Live Free or Die"
Also, There is a very good chance that some vaccines like gardasil are killing more people than they save. I am definitly not convinced that vaccines are safe and definity certain that forced vaccination should be illegal.

Edit: I forgot to mention that subsidies exist for vaccines.

I ain't getting a microchip... Microchips are not something to put in the human body. Semi-conductors often are know to have mercury, lead, and other toxic heavy metals in them. The size and amount doesn't matter... I'd prefer none at all.

Not to mention the fact that the body could in fact see it as a threat, cause an infection, and suddenly either you have to have an amputation, hospitalization for septic reaction, or worse... end up dead.

Plus what is that they've been saying about any electromagnetic radiation being "BAD" for you?

I ain't getting a microchip... Microchips are not something to put in the human body. Semi-conductors often are know to have mercury, lead, and other toxic heavy metals in them. The size and amount doesn't matter... I'd prefer none at all.

Not to mention the fact that the body could in fact see it as a threat, cause an infection, and suddenly either you have to have an amputation, hospitalization for septic reaction, or worse... end up dead.

I dont know about infection, amputation, etc. But I do know the technology is used in animals, and is linked to an increased cancer rate in animals http://www.naturalnews.com/030108_microc...imals.html

And electromagnetic radiation bad for you? Thats a conspiracy theory:

Dr. Magda Havas, a PhD from Trent University in Canada, recently published the results of a study she conducted on the relationship between electromagnetic fields and diabetes in Electromagnetic Biology and Medicine. In it, she explains how she and her team came to discover this about why electropollution is so dangerous for many people.

http://www.naturalnews.com/028967_electr...betes.html

You're miss interpreting the information in your link. "sparse profits; costly research, development and production; and liability concerns." Are concerns of the past and the reasons vaccines have only recently been heavily pushed on Americans. Its only recent because development and production logically improve over time, and with legislation to protect vaccine companies from the people they disable and murder easily allows them to to cut research costs and eliminates liability concerns. Dont forget the increases profit from the fact that innoculation is forced and there is increased profits from those that are disabled from the vaccines.

Also, the Obamacare will require all Americans to be implanted with a microchip.
http://current.com/news/90842279_coverag...rochip.htm
http://www.examiner.com/carroll-county-c...microchips
Its hilarous that you are joking about a proven fact.

And looking back at the principles our countries where based on, I have this to say. "Live Free or Die"
Also, There is a very good chance that some vaccines like gardasil are killing more people than they save. I am definitly not convinced that vaccines are safe and definity certain that forced vaccination should be illegal.

Edit: I forgot to mention that subsidies exist for vaccines.

Yes, because a chip that keeps track of patient records can also locate a person exactly where they are and what they're doing. From what I read those chips will keep medical records and identity, meaning that they can be used if somebody is in an accident records can be obtained easily, hardly a secret plot to spy on people. And it is not required by every american. Not that I don't disagree with a chip in people of any sort, but you're exaggerating.

Also, from the article i posted

Even with industry growth fueled by limited competition and the prospect of "blockbuster vaccines" such as Prevnar and Gardasil, analysts expect vaccine profits to remain below the margins of branded pharmaceuticals.

Besides, couldn't drug companies make more money by infecting everybody with polio, thereby creating wide-spread paralysis, and drug use?

Yes, because a chip that keeps track of patient records can also locate a person exactly where they are and what they're doing. From what I read those chips will keep medical records and identity, meaning that they can be used if somebody is in an accident records can be obtained easily, hardly a secret plot to spy on people. And it is not required by every american. Not that I don't disagree with a chip in people of any sort, but you're exaggerating.

Also,

Even with industry growth fueled by limited competition and the prospect of "blockbuster vaccines" such as Prevnar and Gardasil, analysts expect vaccine profits to remain below the margins of branded pharmaceuticals.

Besides, couldn't drug companies make more money by infecting everybody with polio, thereby creating wide-spread paralysis, and drug use?

If you read my earlier posts, you'd see that the small pox vaccine, and polio vaccine initially increased cases of small pox and polio. Also, vaccines that cause paralysis and autism is much more effective simply because you have a pretext to poison the population by acting as a savior.

Actually, they can be used to track people. They will electronically transmit your personal information as you walk around. They only need to have machines in several areas across the nation and the government or whomever wanted could easily track you. And if you attached bank accounts and other functions to the chip then you have a perfect reason to install machines to read the chips across the nation.
Also, dont say that they wont. I'll direct you to the Social Security number. It was originally only intended to attach you to your social security benefits. What happened over time? Its now your personal identification number.

wWhat? Do you realize how much like a conspiracy theorist you sound like right now? The very fact that you refuse to look at actual scientific evidence posted in this thread shows that you are just as blind as you claim others are. I'm not going to say that the studies are 100% accurate and prove everything, but it's not like theres absolutely no truth in them. Oh, but those studies MUST have been backed by the government and big business, and can't be trusted! The drug companies must be making fortunes off of vaccines! Oh wait, They don't.

But the government must be feeding me lies! I BET THERE ARE SECRET GPS CHIPS IN THE VACCINATIONS AND THE GOVERNMENT HAS THEIR SATELLITES HONED IN ON ME RIGHT NOW OH GOD SOMEONE HOLD ME

First of all, these studies you think I didnt look at, I did in fact look at them. I am not saying they are 100% accurate. What I am saying is that they very well could have been doctored in order to push their agenda. As for your source that you quoted, you should have researched the companies earnings from that report. Each one had multi-billion dollar earnings. So I guess thats not a fortune to you. Oh yeah, no I dont think that there are microchips in the vaccines. The government can watch you in a mutitude of different ways. Thats not hard to figure out.

What I am saying is that they very well could have been doctored in order to push their agenda.

Can you do anything other than speculate? ANYTHING could be doctored for ANYTHING. Including your pathetic sources.

If you read my earlier posts, you'd see that the small pox vaccine, and polio vaccine [SIZE="7"]initially[/SIZE] increased cases of small pox and polio. Also, vaccines that cause paralysis and autism is a much better simply because you have a pretext to poison the population by acting as a savior.

Actually, they can be used to track people. They will electronically transmit your personal information as you walk around. They only need to have machines in several areas across the nation and the government or whomever wanted could easily track you. And if you attached bank accounts and other functions to the chip then you have a perfect reason to install machines to read the chips across the nation.
Also, dont say that they wont. I'll direct you to the Social Security number. It was originally only intended to attach you to your social security benefits. What happened over time? Its now your personal identification number.

On Vaccines NOT causing autism:

http://blogs.forbes.com/sciencebiz/2010/...se-autism/ A Federal Court ruled it didn't.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/514585 Some professor.

http://kottke.org/10/09/vaccines-dont-cause-autism Another source.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badast...se-autism/ Another source.

http://www.parents.com/baby/health/autis...se-autism/ Yet another.

In fact why don't you Google it? There's only 198,000 results.

If you read my earlier posts, you'd see that the small pox vaccine, and polio vaccine initially increased cases of small pox and polio. Also, vaccines that cause paralysis and autism is much more effective simply because you have a pretext to poison the population by acting as a savior.

Actually, they can be used to track people. They will electronically transmit your personal information as you walk around. They only need to have machines in several areas across the nation and the government or whomever wanted could easily track you. And if you attached bank accounts and other functions to the chip then you have a perfect reason to install machines to read the chips across the nation.
Also, dont say that they wont. I'll direct you to the Social Security number. It was originally only intended to attach you to your social security benefits. What happened over time? Its now your personal identification number.

I doubt any chip would be powerful enough to give off a signal much further than a few inches away. Putting a transmitter in a chip that strong would just be silly, since at this point it is just for identification and medical records. Think about an ER full of people that have this chips. It would be hard to identifiy who each person is when there's dozens of people giving off signals.

And yeah, the social security number is used for general identification, but the punishments for stealing one aren't small. Maybe this chip will evolve into something more, but the punishment for abusing it would be prettty high as well.

First of all, these studies you think I didnt look at, I did in fact look at them. I am not saying they are 100% accurate. What I am saying is that they very well could have been doctored in order to push their agenda. As for your source that you quoted, you should have researched the companies earnings from that report. Each one had multi-billion dollar earnings. So I guess thats not a fortune to you. Oh yeah, no I dont think that there are microchips in the vaccines. The government can watch you in a mutitude of different ways. Thats not hard to figure out.

They would make more money not creating vaccinations and instead forcing people to take more expensive drugs.

And as Rick said, your sources could be doctored too. But they most not be because everything you believe in is good and the government is evil.

Edit: whoa uh oops double post

Vaccines dont cause autism?

[quote]http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Act...y_studies.html
The CDC just stated that there is currently no "rigorous, epidemiological study conducted on the issue of thimerosal and autism." They have absolutely no standing to say thimerosal is safe. They just stated that no conclusive study exists. One interesting note is the fact this study is behind schedule, by 13 months http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/09/c...conducted.html
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In other words, the CDC states that there is not enough evidence to say that it does cause autism.

[quote]1 in 100 are Diagnosed in the general public of America.
1 in 4875 are diagnosed in the Amish of Lancaster County.
1 in 10000 are diagnosed in the Amish of Ohio.
Then we have the Homefirst Health Services which as a rate of 0 in 35000.
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/quick-compare-2/
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[quote]1- Vaccines still have thimerosal. It was never removed from certain vaccines like the flu shot (which is recommended at the age of 6months), and the CDC declares that all vaccines have either no thimerosal or trace amounts. This trace amount excuse is the same reason transfat-free food can still contain significant amounts of transfat.
2- There are other toxic materials in vaccines. Two are Formaldehyde and Aluminum. Aluminum deservse special attention for enhancing the toxixity of other substances (including thimerosal by slowing the rate at which Thimerosal is removed from the body and allowing more HG(II) Ions to accumulate in the body) and on it's own being a neurotoxin linked to Alzheimers, ADHD, and obviously autism.
http://vran.org/health-risks/mercury...ment-outcomes/
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...uary-2010.aspx
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[quote]Although people need to stop saying Wakefield is a fraud, because apparently it was lies about him and his studies that caused him to lose his license. One of the major lies used to discredit him is that no studies shared the same results or conclusions, and yet there are studies that concur with his studies http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/01/w...-findings.html
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/20...rew-wakefield/
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I'm going to have to start quoting myself since people seem to ignore my posts, or at least the majority of what I write.

[quote=corn]If you deny this proof I'm going to ask Eos to implement a "Prone to Crackpot Theories" meter and I'm going to create 395081095839105 alternate accounts just to make you at 100%. [/quote]
Is that a threat? And people seem to be ignoring my evidence.
.Also, your beloved CDC already said that there is no conclusive proof one way or the other. All we have now is evidence.


Now on to another comment.
[quote=Stereo]Religion should not put you above the law. That's the exact opposite of what freedom of religion means: the right to be treated fairly no matter your religious beliefs. It's not fair that some religions can get an exemption from vaccines, and atheists (or whatever your personal beliefs) cannot.[quote]
Vaccines should not be above the law. I will now quote a portion of the highest law in the nation:
[quote=Constitution]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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ANYTHING could be doctored for ANYTHING.

That is my point exactly. This is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason. Tell me, what better way to make money and control people than through fear. Fear that if you dont get these vaccinations that a possible pendemic will result. Give me a break.

That is my point exactly. This is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason. Tell me, what better way to make money and control people than through fear. Fear that if you dont get these vaccinations that a possible pendemic will result. Give me a break.

Installing fears that getting vaccines will give you autism so you don't get them, therefore the insurance companies don't have to pay for vaccines and they can deny you coverage when you DO get sick because you didn't take precautionary measures. OH MY GOD THE INSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE DOCTORED ALL YOUR SOURCES TO PUSH -THEIR- AGENDA! Couldn't convince you there is a fire if your ass was burned off. Bet you do real well in school.

That is my point exactly. This is a multi-billion dollar industry for a reason. Tell me, what better way to make money and control people than through fear. Fear that if you dont get these vaccinations that a possible pendemic will result. Give me a break.

maybe the big businesses are pushing their secret agenda by financing reports that their vaccines don't work, so that people don't use them, get sick, and then need to use their other drugs.

I think things are getting a little crazy. I know it isnt my place to ask this, but please reply logically or bring some evidence or sources and stick to vaccines. I think the accusations are getting a little too crazy.

@ Your Amish/North Ohio/etc.

It's probably caused by genetics, not the fact that they don't take vaccines. All of the people in those areas usually only mate with themselves. For example, there is an extremely high frequency of Amish kids with this nameless disease, which also happens to have mental retardation as a symptom.

@ Toxic Substances

Guess what. Ammonia is toxic. There are trace amounts of ammonia in the atmosphere. Guess what. We're not dead.

Guess what. 99% of Southperry members had their bleeping vaccines. Guess what. 99% of Southperryans don't have autism.

I think things are getting a little crazy. I know it isnt my place to ask this, but please reply logically or bring some evidence or sources and stick to vaccines. I think the accusations are getting a little too crazy.

Go look at my 198,000 sources.

I think things are getting a little crazy. I know it isnt my place to ask this, but please reply logically or bring some evidence or sources and stick to vaccines. I think the accusations are getting a little too crazy.

Says the person declining sources.

Bet you do real well in school.

Actually, I did do real well thanks. I have a college diploma that also states that fact. Oh, and I graduated with highest honors....wow, must mean I am not very smart. You on the other hand, who obviously blindly believes in the establishment, must be incredibly smart. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe you were right. Wait, lets not get to hasty. Lets slow down for a second. You are welcome to have your opinions on this as are the rest of the people posting on this or just reading it. Let me put it another way. How many of you pro-vaccine people have children? Now let me give you a little scenario. Those of you that are pro-vaccine say that its ok to sacrifice those unfortunate few who have adverse reactions to the vaccines because the greater whole is safe. Well here is the scenario. Lets say you have a child and said child get vaccinated, developes a reaction and dies. Do you now still feel the same or are you instead outraged and upset because if you had not done that your child would still be alive? This is how I look at it because I do have children.

Oh God, it bred.

Actually, I did do real well thanks. I have a college diploma that also states that fact. Oh, and I graduated with highest honors....wow, must mean I am not very smart. You on the other hand, who obviously blindly believes in the establishment, must be incredibly smart. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe you were right. Wait, lets not get to hasty. Lets slow down for a second. You are welcome to have your opinions on this as are the rest of the people posting on this or just reading it. Let me put it another way. How many of you pro-vaccine people have children? Now let me give you a little scenario. Those of you that are pro-vaccine say that its ok to sacrifice those unfortunate few who have adverse reactions to the vaccines because the greater whole is safe. Well here is the scenario. Lets say you have a child and said child get vaccinated, developes a reaction and dies. Do you now still feel the same or are you instead outraged and upset because if you had not done that your child would still be alive? This is how I look at it because I do have children.

Hey man I'm pretty sure 99% of us here don't have autism and received vaccines.