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President Obama's State of the Union Address 2011
#21
WillDaSnail Wrote:You mean...

Inb4 Fox News starts analyzing Obama's State of the Union speech and bashing on Obama for his "failures".

And how is bashing him a bad thing? I think its a good thing when you bash someone who cant keep a promise, and someone that continues practically every single policy of the Bush era.

Also, I haven't been watching fox recently, but I've seen Oriely and a few others defend him quite a bit.
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#22
Anonymous Moose Wrote:And how is bashing him a bad thing? I think its a good thing when you bash someone who cant keep a promise, and someone that continues practically every single policy of the Bush era.

Also, I haven't been watching fox recently, but I've seen Oriely and a few others defend him quite a bit.

You haven't seen Fox News when they go on a bash-fest against Democrats. I hope to God you know they lean heavily on the right, and are very unfriendly to Democrats most of the time.

I'm fine with criticism. There's nothing wrong with that. But when its specifically targeting a political party for their actions/views and people associated with that political party on certain issues, then I have a problem with whoever is doing it. Especially when they have done it 32786927362 times, 24/7, and 365 days per year.

To give you an idea how Fox News has become synonymous with "conservatism" to my own classmates: Just today in my AP Gov class, my teacher was saying that it would be interesting what Republicans' response to the State of the Union address would shape out. Then one of my classmates blurted out "FOX NEWS!". Everyone laughed. Hard.
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#23
We should all remember that the media is generally biased toward one certain political party. CNN is more inclined toward a Democrat outlook of things, while Fox is a republican leaning view.

It's good that they're all looking like they can get along like kumbaya. Yay for them. As long as they don't keep cutting stuff and overspending and do whats best for the country, not their party.
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#24
WillDaSnail Wrote:Not exactly. So far, from what I'm seeing, Republicans and Democrats are now sitting together to show unity in response to the Arizona shooting tragedy. And when the audience (US Senators and Representatives) are appluding Obama, they are doing it together, and both are showing enthusiasm. This is way different from previous years, when applauding the president was going down to party lines. Usually the party who has a president in the White House usually go all out in applauding, while the other party's response would be lukewarm.

Solidarity and unity for the sake of free political points all-around and "a good story" is one thing, I will be waiting to see even a semblace of this when the real work begins. Pessimism and apathy at its best, courtesy of Chilly.
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#25
Mostly from listening to this and deciphering what this was about... it's sadly just a political move by both sides, Republican and Democrat, against one party (if it can actually be called that) which is the Tea Party movement which more or less has become a thorn in the side of both Republicans and Democrats... and also filled with more droning on by the president over useless issues that almost put me to sleep.

If anything... the entire speech was empty, lacked a point (because mostly every policy Obama has tried to push has either been countered, defunded, unwanted, or was a continuation of prior failed policies), and was more or less a pathetic political showoff with a lot of hot air.

I also didn't get any "feeling" anything about this was about the Arizona incident.

Oh yeah Barrack, you got us health care... question is, how the hell can we pay for it when we owe nearly a quadrillion bucks to every Tom, Rick, and Harry around the globe, have taxes out the kazoo, and have a population of which most are forced to live beyond their own income using credit cards and other loans creating even more debt to sell off to other countries around the world. Yeah... we can't even pay off our national debt yet we want something else paid for by the government...

Congratulations Barrack Obama on reinventing the Screendoor for Submarines!
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#26
WillDaSnail Wrote:You haven't seen Fox News when they go on a bash-fest against Democrats. I hope to God you know they lean heavily on the right, and are very unfriendly to Democrats most of the time.


I'm fine with criticism. There's nothing wrong with that. But when its specifically targeting a political party for their actions/views and people associated with that political party on certain issues, then I have a problem with whoever is doing it. Especially when they have done it 32786927362 times, 24/7, and 365 days per year.

To give you an idea how Fox News has become synonymous with "conservatism" to my own classmates: Just today in my AP Gov class, my teacher was saying that it would be interesting what Republicans' response to the State of the Union address would shape out. Then one of my classmates blurted out "FOX NEWS!". Everyone laughed. Hard.
I've seen bash fests, but I've seen come major mouthpieces of fox go easy and even defend Obama. I've also seen MSNBC go on their bash fests. Neither network is pretty.
As a recent bash fest I saw from ED (who loves to advertise his erectile disfunction) was when he decided to bash the hell out of an injured football player for not playing on the field.

And the republican party and the democratic party are the same. Them fighting with eachother over small issues is no more than a show.

Edit: And when is the media going to cover real issues like the war in Iraq or Afganistan? Did anyone notice that the war in Afganistan was the longest war in US history? In fact, did Obama mention any of those issues in his State of the Union? Did he mention that he is leaving Guantanimo open and expanding upon the Bush administration's policies there?
I'll watch his SotU later, but did he mention any real issues like the ones I listed?
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#27
watched a bit during dinner; sitting on the rail...
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#28
You'd be surprised how many non-US media outlets still cover Afghanistan, Iraq, and other world events Fox and NBC so happily avoid.
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#29
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:I won't be watching it... not that I can't, but I'd rather not watch a speech filled with useless rhetoric, broken promises, and more or less a lot of hot air.
Wait? How could he had filled his promises, with republicans there?
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#30
Satellite Wrote:Wait? How could he had filled his promises, with republicans there?

Couldn't he have done so with a democratic majority in congress before these past elections?
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#31
Satellite Wrote:Wait? How could he had filled his promises, with republicans there?

Congress does not have the absolute power to stop him from fulfilling many of his promises. For example, ending guantanimo would only take a single executive order. Ending the wars would only requiring the troops to come home, no need for congress to get involved (their only power with troops is the power to declare war).
In fact, Obama is expanding operations at Guantonimo. It isnt an issue of republicans. Its an issue of Obama not giving a damn about his promises.

Now do us all a favour and name a specific promise that republicans blocked.

@above: he most definitly could have done a few things like end Nafta and Cafta like he promised. A republican minority would not have been able to stop that.
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#32
Moonlapse Wrote:Anybody notice that almost all the military brass refused to clap when Obama said gays could serve in the military? More progressives need to invest in a career in military science.

Yo.

OT: I'll just watch what John Stewart has to say about it. I really don't care to sit and listen to a politician go on and on about how to solve things, and we need to stand together to get X done, without actually doing them.
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#33
Worthyness Wrote:cutting stuff and overspending

How do you fix overspending? Cutting stuff.
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#34
Why does it not surprise me that people are willing to blindly reject anything Obama says without listening to it?
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#35
Stereo Wrote:Why does it not surprise me that people are willing to blindly reject anything Obama says without listening to it?

Why does it not surprise me that people blindly listen to what Obama says and not what he does?
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#36
That speech was almost the same as any other speech he's given before. I know Obama is trying to get things going for us but there's too much talk. I guess the talk is to keep the American people patient and trying to keep a good image? Honestly, I don't want to look too much into this. I find it silly.

Good day. ;~;
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#37
Oh people listen to what Obama has to say. The problem is, anything he says doesn't add up, make sense, or is worth actually listening to after the fact.

As for the military brass... I don't blame them.

BTW... Barrack get rid of that pineappling teleprompter and learn to speak publicly without it!!!
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#38
Stereo Wrote:Why does it not surprise me that people are willing to blindly reject anything Obama says without listening to it?

Anonymous Moose Wrote:Why does it not surprise me that people blindly listen to what Obama says and not what he does?

Why does it surprise me that people argue either side of this without an ounce of fact on what's going on and what limiting factors exist, or that people are still naive enough to believe anything a politician says while trying to get elected and then are surprised when they're not invested with a magic wand that grants wishes as part of being put into office. Rolleyes

No politician can honestly tell you what they're going to do. All they can tell you is what they're going to attempt.
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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#39
Eosian Wrote:Why does it surprise me that people argue either side of this without an ounce of fact on what's going on and what limiting factors exist, or that people are still naive enough to believe anything a politician says while trying to get elected and then are surprised when they're not invested with a magic wand that grants wishes as part of being put into office. Rolleyes

No politician can honestly tell you what they're going to do. All they can tell you is what they're going to attempt.

The problem is can we say anyone actually attempts to do the things they promise while running? There's plenty of things to stop a president from doing something, but the question falls down to whether or not they are actually trying to cut through the bullpoop.
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#40
Mute Wrote:The problem is can we say anyone actually attempts to do the things they promise while running?

Conveniently in this day of technology and media, yes.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/


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ObamaGOPObama %GOP %
Kept134126%2%
Compromise418%0%
Broken388%0%
Stalled7114%0%
In Progress220943%16%
NR2470%82%
Total50657100%100%


So that's approximately 22% failed to meet there counting stalled.
It's not having what you want - It's wanting what you've got.
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