Stun rates

I've recently had reason to believe that KBing has an effect on non-100% stun rates, namely Arrow Bomb, perhaps others as well.

My current theory is that if the stunning hit fails to KB, the chance of missing stun is doubled. In other words, actual_rate = 2*listed_rate - 100%.

Yes, that would imply that sub-50% stun rates would never stun at all when they don't KB. I haven't seen this confirmed or disproved, but it would be relatively simple to test.

Has anyone investigated this before?

Could just be Actual_Rate = Listed_rate/2, instead of *2 = 100 O.o
why make the Stun-miss double, when you could just make the Stun-Success halved?

All I know is Arrow Bomb stuns less on high level monsters, KB might be related to it in the same way PKB is =P

I don't really think its rate changes. Ask a paladin to acb some crimson guardians.

Could just be Actual_Rate = Listed_rate/2, instead of *2 = 100 O.o
why make the Stun-miss double, when you could just make the Stun-Success halved?

All I know is Arrow Bomb stuns less on high level monsters, KB might be related to it in the same way PKB is =P

Because 100% stunning skills never work less than 100% of the time.

Then again, they might not be subject to KB reduction in the first place.

@below: misses aside, I mean. I guess I should have specified that.

Because 100% stunning skills never work less than 100% of the time.

Then again, they might not be subject to KB reduction in the first place.

Yes they do. If you dont have enough accuracy to hit the monster, you cant stun it

Atleast thats what I have experienced in my time in MS

Best way to test:

Arrow Bomb mid level monsters without killing them
Assaulter mid-high level monsters (anything that won't die in one hit and will be KBed)
Arrow Bomb high level monsters with noob gear
Assaulter high level monsters with noob gear

Hit each monster with above skill once and record whether it was stunned. According to above theory, the first two should stun at their advertised rate of stunning - 60% and 80%, respectively. The second two should stun at 20% and 60%, respectively.

I don't know anything about not being able to stun monsters if you can't hit them - I'm an archer

If it helps, I have level 1 Arrow Bomb on my STRless hunter project. I'm pretty sure its stun rate is below 50%, so if the theory holds true, I should never be able to stun a stone golem.

I'm pretty sure I can hit one, too. I'd try right away, but I don't have MS on this comp.

If it helps, I have level 1 Arrow Bomb on my STRless hunter project. I'm pretty sure its stun rate is below 50%, so if the theory holds true, I should never be able to stun a stone golem.

I'm pretty sure I can hit one, too. I'd try right away, but I don't have MS on this comp.

Oh, I think that kills your theory. I'm 99% sure you can stun monsters with AB at any level.

How many times have you used or observed <20 Arrow Bomb on monsters you 100% can't KB?

It doesn't happen very frequently, and it could easily be overlooked when it does. You know... not noticing a lack of stun because you're being hopelessly overrun by monsters too strong for you.

Hmm, I'm not sure. I'll try spamming Arrow Bomb on Death Teddies without SE tomorrow. It should be a 20% KB rate, according to your theory.

Yeah, you could be right about not noticing, since I haven't had a non-maxed Bomb since level 4x.