Counter attack vs MW, ST vs Demo

truthfully i dont find CA that useful in bossing since ill be using demo 90% of the time... How often does it activate while u spam demo?
If i dont max Ca ill go for some MW 1st
please share your experiences


Im maxing ST before Demo. Since lvl 1 demo has decent dmg and slow looking climb i thought it would be better to have the 40attk buff 90% of the time rather than 21 attk 60% of the time. Also being able to use demo more often than having it stronger would also greatly increase my DPM right?

has any1 actually calculated the DPM increase of ST vs Demo

only bosses ill actually be fighting in the near future are zak pap and pianus for exp

Counter attack is great, since it lasts for 45 or 50 seconds, you can activate it by bumping the monsters, you will lose an attack or 2, but you gain 15% extra total damage for the rest of your hits.

I don't think you have to worry about it not activating. Counterattack activates when you take damage (and I've seen it activate when i jump off a tall building xD) So if you're demo-ing the entire boss run, you're bound to get hit by a magic attack or 2. It should activate and BAM enjoy 15% damage.

It really is a free buff that makes your damage insane.

I don't think you have to worry about it not activating. Counterattack activates when you take damage (and I've seen it activate when i jump off a tall building xD) So if you're demo-ing the entire boss run, you're bound to get hit by a magic attack or 2. It should activate and BAM enjoy 15% damage.

It really is a free buff that makes your damage insane.

Yeah, its well worth it, maybe not early on, but going into 145ish it would be good to get it maxed. At pap, even when spamming Demo, I get hit quite a bit. He has a tendancy to do a quick magic attack when coming out of the Demo hits, and his yellow heal skill makes him invincible to demo, so he will attack right after and ill almost always take a hit after that.

How ever, there will be a point where you can kill pap fast enough that it doesnt matter, but having it for other bosses is still good.

I went for a very early Pirate's Revenge. Mostly because on El Nido, I couldn't find/afford the books I wanted. So as of right now, I'm level 131 and have...

10 Dragon Strike (still no 20 passed)
1 Speed Infusion (20 books are asy to get and I have one already, but I've heard there's no difference in speed anymore)
10 Pirate's Revenge (it's on like 85% of the time when training, and it's a 15% damage boost. Very helpful!)
11 Super Transformation (gonna finish this unless a DS 20 becomes available at a good price)
1 Demolition (my main single target DPS)
1 Barrage (for when not in Super)
1 Time Leap (lol)
1 Snatch (almost want this point back...never use it)

Obviously after getting 20 Super Transformation and as much Dragon Strike as possible (I'm skeptical about ever seeing a 30 book anytime soon on El Nido), I'll max Demo so I can do boss runs better. I know Demo 30 is common and bought one cheap already, and I probably should be able to get Demo 20, so yeah.

ok so CA is awsome apparently.
Now is ST better to max 1st or Demo, i was thinking ST>Demo (for better training and bossing)

eh i dont like alot of the changed skill names for GMS's skills or class names

Infighter woulda've been sooo much cooler than brawler