Should a Warrior starts pumping DEX for the new equips?

So, i did some little maths:

Assuming the level 140 equips are: Top,Bottom,Weap,Cape and shoes, and hey all require 170 DEX, should we start putting some points in DEX ? Lets see how much base dex we need for the following equips:

-Egged HTP: 25 DEX
-Max stats, 100% scrolled black belt: 10 DEX
-Evolving ring level 16-17: 5 DEX
-Resistance/Lilin Ring: 3 DEX
-2 zombie rings: 2 DEX

For a total of 125 base dex to add (Not counting things like tiger tallons or any scrolls/potential used)

Would it be worth it to add DEX, knowing that Cygnus Empress is impossible to beat right now?

If you want the full set no, it's a complete waste. If you want the weapon it's plausible. To be honest if someone actually the amount of dex the increase difference would be so pitiful it wouldn't be worth the overall effort.

Most drks/aran's will probably invest in said amount of dex just for the pole arm, which is Fast 5 speed. It's also 113 attack I believe, with two speed increases, 13x clean spear.

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30 less dex is needed

Even if the Empress gets beaten more often down the line (think about PB nowadays), the influx of weapons (or whole sets) of the lvl 140 variety won't really be that much to start changing your base stats in preparation for them. So no, I don't think you should pump DEX for them.

Most drks/aran's will probably invest in said amount of dex just for the pole arm, which is Fast 5 speed.

Brb raising DEX :O

dont bother raising it. you WILL be able to equip them as dexless / nearly dexless fairly easily. however, getting a full set will be nearly impossible, much less a single one.

I did some quick math a while ago because I was curious myself (assuming the base DEX is the necessary cap). The fact that the set is overall and not top/bottom is bad, but unless you have 45 more attack on equips that are replaced (hat, gloves, shoes, overall, cape, and weapon), the set is better. Even missing an equip (less STR% isn't enough to make up for the set bonus of +45 attack total assuming they stack. If they do not, then you'll still need another 30 attack. There's only two issues in mind. The first is if the cap on weapon attack is really 255. If that's the case, the level 140 set when clean is 192 attack. It would take virtually no work to match 255 attack (evolving ring, time traveler's medal, rage, divine shield, etc.) which means the missing STR% is much more worthwhile. In fact, if the cap is 255, it would take another 25 attack beyond the 63 to hit cap for DEXless to be better. The second is the fact that the new hardest boss drops the items in a raid that will definitely have more than one warrior. Good luck on those drops. Assuming you even can kill it every time you go and assuming you can only run once a day, it will take you quite a few weeks to get the full set. If you're looking for full power and have all the time in the world, the level 140 set is for you. Otherwise, start grabbing that STR% gear and high attack equips.

Most of the above is assumptions, but the end result will be the same regardless. The set is better if you have a lot of time. It will be far easier to skip the set, but you won't nearly have as much power.

With the equips already mentioned, 43 base dex would be enough to equip the level 140 gear. (the equips all add huge amounts of dex, so having 170 without them on is an atrocious waste of stats)

Since I have a 15 dex earring but only a 5 dex belt, I'll put that on and my 35 base dex would be enough.


I would say definitely do not add dex now. Buy dex gear maybe.

With the equips already mentioned, 43 base dex would be enough to equip the level 140 gear. (the equips all add huge amounts of dex, so having 170 without them on is an atrocious waste of stats)

Since I have a 15 dex earring but only a 5 dex belt, I'll put that on and my 35 base dex would be enough.


I would say definitely do not add dex now. Buy dex gear maybe.

What now? Since when do you not need to have the DEX requirement to equip something? As far back as I can remember, you must have the requirement before equiping an item. Example: The level 140 gear requires 170 DEX. You must have 170 DEX before being able to equip it. Let's assume you have 160 DEX and earrings that add 10 DEX. You can equip a level 140 weapon assuming that your old one did not have any DEX on it that added to the 160 DEX. Additionally, if you're equiping the entire set and those earrings and then unequip the earrings, all equips turn red and are "unequiped" because you no longer meet the minimum. Unless this changed post-BB or post-Chaos, it's been this way since the dawn of Maple time. If you have 43 DEX and the equips give you a bonus 127 DEX to meet 170 DEX, you cannot wear the equips since you did not first meet the DEX requirement prior to equipping them.

What now? Since when do you not need to have the DEX requirement to equip something? As far back as I can remember, you must have the requirement before equiping an item. Example: The level 140 gear requires 170 DEX. You must have 170 DEX before being able to equip it. Let's assume you have 160 DEX and earrings that add 10 DEX. You can equip a level 140 weapon assuming that your old one did not have any DEX on it that added to the 160 DEX. Additionally, if you're equiping the entire set and those earrings and then unequip the earrings, all equips turn red and are "unequiped" because you no longer meet the minimum. Unless this changed post-BB or post-Chaos, it's been this way since the dawn of Maple time. If you have 43 DEX and the equips give you a bonus 127 DEX to meet 170 DEX, you cannot wear the equips since you did not first meet the DEX requirement prior to equipping them.

It's more complex than this.
If you have 3 equips that add 3 dex for example and their requirement is say, 90 dex and you actually have 84 dex. Equipping a earring that gives you 10 dex, equipping those 3 equips and then taking off the earring will not make them unequip.

It's simply that an equipment can't help equip ITSELF but in this case the 3 equips help each other.

It's more complex than this.
If you have 3 equips that add 3 dex for example and their requirement is say, 90 dex and you actually have 84 dex. Equipping a earring that gives you 10 dex, equipping those 3 equips and then taking off the earring will not make them unequip.

It's simply that an equipment can't help equip ITSELF but in this case the 3 equips help each other.

Well then the issue then is getting the 170 DEX in the first place to even start equipping items. You'd have to have one hell of a surplus of DEX equips to reach that goal. Egged HTP, DEX shoes, DEX Gloves, CZHelm, etc. It may be more funding than it's worth.

no.... not really. i have 125 dex wearing all my str equips right now. with a base of 20. im wearing MoN.

my cape & pants are 23 & 25, and those are the only gear with significant amounts. all the rest of my stuff is like +2-5, but over like 10 equips it adds up. any other dex you need can be made up by crappy potential gear with a line of flat dex. its really easy for warriors with so many high level clothes without any secondary stat reqs.

and anyone who can get their hands on a chtp should only add more dex when they have 999 str.

looks like my 50 base dex will finally help now. I get 162 with equips on, and if someone MWs me i get 169 and i can find 1more dex anywhere. Once i get all the equips on i'll have like 190dex though, so i might reset some

Yeah, my plans for equipping stuff basically requires buying up cheap lv.100 clean gear with 1-2 lines of dex potential (5 or 10 dex depending which line).

Putting on glove+shoe+top each with 15-20 dex would boost my current ~110 dex up to 155, then a HTP would put it over 170. After that it's just a matter of swapping in the lv.140 gear one by one.

It's choice really. Lower DEX players could compensate for the required DEX and bonus given by the new gear with STR and ATT scrolls (maybe) but for those with at least 120 DEX getting a few % based potential gear to boost your DEX even more while still focusing on STR and ATT would fair better with the new gear. More or less I say preference will serve you better, however I will be going for these when they arrive.

Here's my situation:

I have 192 base DEX on my character. I was hearing talk about DEXless warriors, but this made no sense to me since prior to BB DEX was a requirement for equipment. So, is my warrior considered to be in a good position? I just want to make sure I am maximizing my character especially since I only have the time for one character. I want to master him and then think about creating another character. Regardless, what do other members think about my character's DEX situation in contrast with the new updates coming and being discussed?

~KduF~
Server: Kradia
Guild: TheBlessed

Here's my situation:

I have 192 base DEX on my character. I was hearing talk about DEXless warriors, but this made no sense to me since prior to BB DEX was a requirement for equipment. So, is my warrior considered to be in a good position? I just want to make sure I am maximizing my character especially since I only have the time for one character. I want to master him and then think about creating another character. Regardless, what do other members think about my character's DEX situation in contrast with the new updates coming and being discussed?

~KduF~
Server: Kradia
Guild: TheBlessed

You trollin'? 192 base DEX on a warrior? Only a few equips require DEX for a warrior, and non anywhere near those amounts. The only class that should ever have 192 base DEX would be archers and gunslingers. Even if the lvl 140 gear that requires DEX is obtainable without selling your firstborn, you still have way too much to speak of maximizing your character.

Here's my situation:

I have 192 base DEX on my character. I was hearing talk about DEXless warriors, but this made no sense to me since prior to BB DEX was a requirement for equipment. So, is my warrior considered to be in a good position? I just want to make sure I am maximizing my character especially since I only have the time for one character. I want to master him and then think about creating another character. Regardless, what do other members think about my character's DEX situation in contrast with the new updates coming and being discussed?

~KduF~
Server: Kradia
Guild: TheBlessed

What equipment? The NRW and Stonetooth? You've overshot those requirements by miles and miles.
192 base DEX... Christ. I'd just scrap the guy and start over.

Here's my situation:

I have 192 base DEX on my character. I was hearing talk about DEXless warriors, but this made no sense to me since prior to BB DEX was a requirement for equipment. So, is my warrior considered to be in a good position? I just want to make sure I am maximizing my character especially since I only have the time for one character. I want to master him and then think about creating another character. Regardless, what do other members think about my character's DEX situation in contrast with the new updates coming and being discussed?

~KduF~
Server: Kradia
Guild: TheBlessed

Prior to BB, DEX was not a requirement for warrior equipment, except for a very few items.
192 base dex is way too high, pre-bb and post-. Are you sure you mean "base"? As in, the dex you have wearing no equips at all? If that is so, you should look into resetting at least 100 of those points into STR. Your character is considerably weaker than it could be, and there is absolutely no need for that much DEX, even if you are looking to wear that level 140 set.

Or, consider remaking the character. Leveling to 120 takes only a few weeks now, and might be easier than rounding up $300 for AP resets. (Some would say at least $450 for decent stats).

Ok, thanks for the information everyone. I didn't realize I took it so far. I'm thinking about a lot of things now.