Hawaiian Mafia: Mafia and Survivor Win

He said that there wouldn't be a discussion thread in the first post. Too bad because I wouldn't mind one either.

He said that there wouldn't be a discussion thread in the first post. Too bad because I wouldn't mind one either.

There is no discussion thread, so try to keep yourselves contained to only one "ARG!" post after death. If enough people bug me about wanting one, I might make one, but don't count on it

All we need to do is bug Matt to death for a discussion thread.

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The earth cracks open and suddenly you can see down into the afterlife.

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You all wake up to the morning sun. Well, not all of you. ChaoticCJ's lifeless body stares up at the roof of his hut. He was but a simple townie. A bullet would is clearly visible in his chest. You mourn his death and head to the temple. The fire in the Tiki's head is already lit, as if it was waiting for you. Waiting for one of you.

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[color="#cc8899"]Sorry CJ, I was protecting someone else last night.
[][vote]Holypie[/B]

Same reasons as yesterday. He's participated in 2 townie lynches now, yesterday's being a simple bandwagon. [/COLOR]

Participating in a townie lynch doesn't mean that I'm mafia, [B][vote MasPan][/B ] to tie the votes. Also, you said that you didn't want to be part of the Cornwagon, but to me that sounds like a mafian who sees that someone is going to die no matter what and wants to keep his hands clean.

Participating in a townie lynch doesn't mean that I'm mafia, [vote MasPan] to tie the votes. Also, you said that you didn't want to be part of the Cornwagon, but to me that sounds like a mafian who sees that someone is going to die no matter what and wants to keep his hands clean.

Remember again that I was simply probing people to encourage participation. I removed my vote from Corn promptly after he posted. His actions were shady, but were not enough for me to suspect him. I am not strictly voting for you because of your townie lynch. However, a hasty vote onto the bandwagon is particularly grim. And, as you stated, my vote wouldn't have made a difference - I couldn't have saved him if I wanted to because of the lack of active players.

At this point Mas, I find myself agreeing with you, but you've participated in the lynches as well. Perhaps you only started the one on Corn, but just removing your vote doesn't negate all that it means. To me, Holypie is suspicious due to his continued slim reasoning and agreement with whomever gets a lynch going, but your pot stirring hasn't exactly been helping the town. I'm not saying mine has done much better given that Corn died yesterday and was vindicated in being a townie, but it leaves me feeling that either one of you could be mafians. I don't want to make any more mistakes, as we really can't lose any other active townies, but it's looking to me that one of you is a mafian, and the other is a townie.

Well going by that logic, you too, ElectricSix, can be a potential mafian. Though a thought occurred to me, what's to say that the actual mafia is lurking and reading this, and laughing? Maybe a plan would be to continue probing.

[color="#cc8899"]Yeah, wouldn't surprise me at all if there are at least 2 mafians hiding amongst the quiet folks. And E6, are you really going to fault me for using your own strategy? Yesterday you were encouraging me, now you're blaming me for what happened. I specifically said that I suspected Holypie more than Corn.
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If you want, we can start picking off the less active players. In Corn's name, I [][vote]Synthesist[/B][/COLOR]

Well going by that logic, you too, ElectricSix, can be a potential mafian. Though a thought occurred to me, what's to say that the actual mafia is lurking and reading this, and laughing? Maybe a plan would be to continue probing.

Indeed, I'm not going to claim innocence since I participated in Corn's demise. I am a townie, but saying that means nothing unless a detective checks me out. And I too feel as though things have been going a bit too swimmingly for the mafia, but it seems unlikely that they'd all be lurkers . . . then again Dual might have done that just to mess with us. So do we vote for the lurkers? Or do we continue to hash things out amongst ourselves? On the one hand, getting rid of the lurkers will leave us with people who actually vote and hunt for mafia, on the other, if we're wrong, we'll do the mafia's work for them.

Edit: @Maspan: I praise potstirring when it's helpful, yesterday it seemed helpful. With Corn proved a townie, I too must ask myself whether your pot stirring belies a mafian picking off townies. I did not excuse myself from that specter of doubt either however, as you may note the above. You and Holypie both carry some suspicion with you, and so do I, whether that suspicion is enough to vote for either of you remains to be seen. For now, I will await what some of the other active players think before I cast any votes.

Unfortunately. Though I see a lot of people lurking, anything they want to say on this?

Unfortunately. Though I see a lot of people lurking, anything they want to say on this?

Not tonight.

Indeed, I'm not going to claim innocence since I participated in Corn's demise. I am a townie, but saying that means nothing unless a detective checks me out. And I too feel as though things have been going a bit too swimmingly for the mafia, but it seems unlikely that they'd all be lurkers . . . then again Dual might have done that just to mess with us. So do we vote for the lurkers? Or do we continue to hash things out amongst ourselves? On the one hand, getting rid of the lurkers will leave us with people who actually vote and hunt for mafia, on the other, if we're wrong, we'll do the mafia's work for them.

Edit: @Maspan: I praise potstirring when it's helpful, yesterday it seemed helpful. With Corn proved a townie, I too must ask myself whether your pot stirring belies a mafian picking off townies. I did not excuse myself from that specter of doubt either however, as you may not the above. You and Holypie both carry some suspicion with you, and so do I, whether that suspicion is enough to vote for either of you remains to be seen. For now, I will await what some of the other active players think before I cast any votes.

[color="#cc8899"]Agreed. Not sure where you're going with all the WIFOM'ing though.
Also, I'd rather not be killed and lose the chance to defend people. I chose wrong last night, unfortunately. However, I survived, so there's that.
Notice, also, that nobody has counterclaimed me - means one of three things:
1. I am the doctor
2. I am mafia, and I am laying a trap to lure the real doctor out
3. I am a vanilla townie and WIFOM'ing the mafia (afterall, if I'm vanilla, what do I care if the town believes that I'm a doctor or not?), and the real doctor is someone who is being quiet.

Anyways. Like I said yesterday, my potstirring was only meant to encourage participation, which it did. Somewhat. I'm honestly more skeptical of the people that did not vote (Mira, for example) after responding to my posts and of Holypie, who jumped on the bandwagon (3rd vote, if I recall, is a scumtell)

Also, Mute, I eagerly await what news you have. Hopefully you're more confident to help out soon.


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[color="#cc8899"]Agreed. Not sure where you're going with all the WIFOM'ing though.
Also, I'd rather not be killed and lose the chance to defend people. I chose wrong last night, unfortunately. However, I survived, so there's that.
Notice, also, that nobody has counterclaimed me - means one of three things:
1. I am the doctor
2. I am mafia, and I am laying a trap to lure the real doctor out
3. I am a vanilla townie and WIFOM'ing the mafia (afterall, if I'm vanilla, what do I care if the town believes that I'm a doctor or not?), and the real doctor is someone who is being quiet.

Anyways. Like I said yesterday, my potstirring was only meant to encourage participation, which it did. Somewhat. I'm honestly more skeptical of the people that did not vote (Mira, for example) after responding to my posts and of Holypie, who jumped on the bandwagon (3rd vote, if I recall, is a scumtell)

Also, Mute, I eagerly await what news you have. Hopefully you're more confident to help out soon.


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There's always info to be gleaned from things Mas. For the moment, I'd just like to see how some of the lurkers or other actives react to things. Just having Holypie, you, and me discuss things won't lead to anything happening, but perhaps something said will pull some people out to talk. I still firmly believe that Swerve's lynch had to have a mafian involved, and thus Shidoshi and Mephisto remain on my list, as do you and Holypie. The problem I run into, is that if you are mafia Mas, you've been directing things in ways to draw out people. But if Holypie is mafia, he's just been following along. Of the two of you, you'd be far more dangerous if a mafian, but far more helpful if you're a townie. So I am forced to question your motives even as I consider Holypie's as well. Not that I'm any less suspicious, as is z0mgc00k13 or anyone else that participates in a lynch against townie. So I'm waiting to see what others think. I'd rather not any more bandwagons happen, but I'd also rather not end up with another wasted day because I helped lynch another townie.

There's always info to be gleaned from things Mas. For the moment, I'd just like to see how some of the lurkers or other actives react to things. Just having Holypie, you, and me discuss things won't lead to anything happening, but perhaps something said will pull some people out to talk. I still firmly believe that Swerve's lynch had to have a mafian involved, and thus Shidoshi and Mephisto remain on my list, as do you and Holypie. The problem I run into, is that if you are mafia Mas, you've been directing things in ways to draw out people. But if Holypie is mafia, he's just been following along. Of the two of you, you'd be far more dangerous if a mafian, but far more helpful if you're a townie. So I am forced to question your motives even as I consider Holypie's as well. Not that I'm any less suspicious, as is z0mgc00k13 or anyone else that participates in a lynch against townie. So I'm waiting to see what others think. I'd rather not any more bandwagons happen, but I'd also rather not end up with another wasted day because I helped lynch another townie.

To be perfectly frank, I find it rather amusing that you consider me a higher priority target because of my ability to manipulate people when mafian. If you're asking me to back off, I'd gladly hand back the potstirring position to you - it's not really my style, though it was a necessity yesterday.

To be perfectly frank, I find it rather amusing that you consider me a higher priority target because of my ability to manipulate people when mafian. If you're asking me to back off, I'd gladly hand back the potstirring position to you - it's not really my style, though it was a necessity yesterday.

Eh I'm fine with anyone willing to do it, it just comes with the inherent risk as always of being a rather large target. I do it because no one else generally wants to be said target. I can return to it with fair ease too, though I like to think almost every post and vote I make contain at least some hidden depth to them. Still, it's hard to pot stir with so little actiivity going on and so little voting being done. You can't be blamed for that, but it hurts the town more than anything else at this point. We still have our power roles about after all, but this silence and lack of voting is seriously harming our mafia hunting. I find myself wondering about the same old discussion, is it better to hunt inactives first, and gauge the voters afterwards, or gauge the voters first, and the inactives afterwards. We've tried the second, and it hasn't been that successful, but switching to the 1st at this point doesn't exactly ensure success either.

I'm usually against it, but if there's no other option we might as well try to RNG.We could get lucky and land a mafia. =|

RNG voting never ends well. This isn't the first day; we must have something to go off of, right? Something's better then just random killing.