Batman Mafia - MAFIA Wins.

[vote] Swerve

Gonna hop on this.
Usually by now you'd have at least acknowledged that I just cleared 9 pineappleing people of being mafia, and I'd love to see what happens from here. Instead, you continue to question Mas incessantly for simply voting you. OMGUS anyone? Your suspicions are failing, Swerve. I beseech thee.

I have another question, on Day 1 you told me that you read the posts in the thread topic backwards. Why would you read the posts in a thread in non-linear order and why you would feel that you need to tell me this?

Because you specifically asked me why I had voted as I had. I had just gotten off a short ban because of earlier incidents that day. When I did, I started with the last page to see what the current situation was and then caught up from the beginning. It was in response to YOUR question, lest you forget.

It is NOT OMGUS. I did not counter-vote Maspan. I read this thread over 3 times and it does me absolutely no good to affirm a vote as soon as the topic presentation begins. I know that I'm making a lot of claims. The only thing I ask is that I have the chance to explain my reasoning before anyone else votes. This situation is not to my benefit at all. If town will let me speak, then I will present my reasoning.

It is NOT OMGUS. I did not counter-vote Maspan. I read this thread over 3 times and it does me absolutely no good to affirm a vote as soon as the topic presentation begins. I know that I'm making a lot of claims. The only thing I ask is that I have the chance to explain my reasoning before anyone else votes. This situation is not to my benefit at all.

OMGUS = Oh My God U Suck, in case you forgot. It's not only used to impose a vote on someone but it is also used to implicate someone as scum simply due to their vote being placed on you.

OMGUS = Oh My God U Suck, in case you forgot. It's not only used to impose a vote on someone but it is also used to implicate someone as scum simply due to their vote being placed on you.

This is not the reason why I'm casting shadow of suspicion on MasPan. For one thing, it is due to his strong statements against Corn in D1 and D2 that seem to implicate him as a member of the mafia and attempting to invalidate his confession around 7 PM. If Corn was going to provide a counter-claim then I would believe that town should be eagerly waiting to heart what Corn has to say rather than doubting him so heavily as to insinuate that he is mafia.

This is not the reason why I'm casting shadow of suspicion on MasPan. For one thing, it is due to his strong statements against Corn in D1 and D2 that seem to implicate him as a member of the mafia and attempting to invalidate his confession around 7 PM. If Corn was going to provide a counter-claim then I would believe that town should be eagerly waiting to heart what Corn has to say rather than doubting him so heavily as to insinuate that he is mafia.

So what are you attempting to imply about MasPan by casting a shadow of suspicion on Mas?
Nobody knew Corn was going to provide a counter-claim either. Your argument is invalid.

So what are you attempting to imply about MasPan by casting a shadow of suspicion on Mas?
Nobody knew Corn was going to provide a counter-claim either. Your argument is invalid.

When involving a pm, I can understand why town would be apprehensive about the idea of presenting a role. However, to completely turn the situation 180 and claim that Corn has to be mafia is a ridiculous statement to make. Besides just the PM, MasPan has been over eager to gun down Corn. This is possibly because he and xBTAx were afraid that Corn's big reveal would result in a problem for both of them. I read through this whole thread a couple of times last night with the theory that at least xBTAx and MasPan were both mafia and that Dual Reaver was innocent. Via process of elimination I came up the following categories:

Unknown: ChaoticCJ, Holypie, MetaSeraphim, Mephisto, Daku, Blaine
Possibly Unknown / Indie / Town: Corn (by confession), Shidoshi, Kajiti, and y0y0y0y0shi0
Possibly Town: Dual Reaver (by role), Jon (by association)
Possibly Mafia: MasPan, xBTAx

y0y0y0shi0 if you have an alternative theory than please tell me. Last night I've been scribbling and reading. This is the belief that I got from the given interactions and the inferences you so wanted me to use in order to determine the outcome. If you have your own list then please present it. However if I get lynched and turn up town, I hope that town considers this list when going into the end-game. I love town more than anything, especially since this is my first mafia game. I originally wouldn't suspect xBTAx unless his comment about going to bed early (he stated up for at least three extra hours) and an IRC conversation in which I asked him to make sure that Daku responded provided the following response (roughly speaking), "How do you expect me to respond to that?" after a suspicious pause. I understand that it could be a reasonable response. He could think that I was fishing. Okay. But still the way he responded seemed to cast serious doubt in my mind and I had to re-read the thread under the idea that xBTAx might be mafia and Dual Reaver was innocent. The above list was formed according to this vantage point. Even if I do get lynched toDAY I ask that everyone re-read the thread from the first page with the above list in mind. I understand that I am asking for a tall order. But I believe that there is something going on and I have faith that there must be at least some truth to my suspicions.

[color="#cc8899"]You note that I voted Corn on D1 and D2, then say I turned against him after his potential reveal. What I flipped out about was the same thing that prompted Tobi's reaction - he claimed to receive a PM in the middle of the day. I had already been suspicious of him for his rolefishing on Kajiti (which was apparently him trying to crack a "code").

I came back too late to change my vote because of drinking with buddies to celebrate my 21st. What is with you hounding me with such flimsy arguments? It's like you're obsessed...[

With regards to the irc comment, I don't remember specifics, but you asked BTA if Daku was one of the people who hadn't sent in a night action. In IRC. Stop skewing facts in your favor - what you asked was way inappropriate for IRC and was for all practical purposes you trying to get him to admit to being mafia.[/COLOR]

[color="#cc8899"]You note that I voted Corn on D1 and D2, then say I turned against him after his potential reveal. What I flipped out about was the same thing that prompted Tobi's reaction - he claimed to receive a PM in the middle of the day. I had already been suspicious of him for his rolefishing on Kajiti (which was apparently him trying to crack a "code").

I came back too late to change my vote because of drinking with buddies to celebrate my 21st. What is with you hounding me with such flimsy arguments? It's like you're obsessed...[/COLOR]

I could always be wrong. I also can also change my vote. But I was hoping that if anyone besides y0y0y0shi0 had anything to help substantiate my initial premise, then they would come forth and contribute. Perhaps I am the only person who finds minor nuances or becomes overly suspicious at the smallest things. I wanted to hear your rationale, however I still remain suspicious of your alignment. I apologize if I offended you by thinking you were mafia, but the fact that you seemed so eager to suspect Corn before he did the big role reveal plays a bad taste in my tongue.

I also do not feel I should be lynched for being public about my suspicions. If I am being lynched because I am mafia, then that is one thing. However I do not see any justification for me being mafioso, even though I have laid some of my hand open to the public. Since the beginning of this game I believe in an open play style whether it gets me killed or not. But until I hear a case against me being mafia, then I do not understand the eagerness to vote against me. If anything MasPan and y0y0y0shi0 I will kindly ask you to detract your votes to lynch me until reason is given for me being mafia. I have being playing recklessly upon reflect, but that is not a plausible reason to kill me for any other reason except to silence me (... okay a lot of people WANT me silenced but I'm just trying to do my best).

I could always be wrong. I also can also change my vote. But I was hoping that if anyone besides y0y0y0shi0 had anything to help substantiate my initial premise, then they would come forth and contribute. Perhaps I am the only person who finds minor nuances or becomes overly suspicious at the smallest things. I wanted to hear your rationale, however I still remain suspicious of your alignment. I apologize if I offended you by thinking you were mafia, but the fact that you seemed so eager to suspect Corn before he did the big role reveal plays a bad taste in my tongue.

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Again, that suspicion in turn came from HIM being overeager to rolefish Kajiti. And in turn why you're suspicious of me. Do you see what I'm getting at? All you're doing is extending the cycle of suspicion based on suspicion based on suspicion.

I'm not offended, I'm annoyed - your arguments are flimsy and based on suspicions from Day 1/2 when nobody knew much of anything about anyone. You misrepresent events to further your arguments/suspicions. Every accusation you've made is screaming mafia to me.[/COLOR]

-Le sighs-
You say that Mas and BTA are both mafia. Yet to be mafia I'd have to be Mafia with them, seeing as I cleared both Mas and BTA of being Mafia.

>Conversation in IRC
>Sees Mas' comment
>-Facepalmheaddesks-

Why the pineapple do you keep saying "toDAY" and "toNIGHT"? There really is no point and it's very obnoxious.

Keeping my vote here. Seems like you're trying way too hard to implicate someone as scum from very feeble responses and from going outside of your boundaries to do so. As of now you're the IKF. The Immortal_Knight Factor. There's the possibility that you are scum and you're getting on my nerves way too much right now. Eliminating you from the game = my best option.

Mas' post above basically sums up my frustration right now.

Swerve, my vote wasn't because of your suspicion, it was because you placed a vote with absolutely no explanation and very poorly defended it. My vote stays.

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Again, that suspicion in turn came from HIM being overeager to rolefish Kajiti. And in turn why you're suspicious of me. Do you see what I'm getting at? All you're doing is extending the cycle of suspicion based on suspicion based on suspicion.

I'm not offended, I'm annoyed - your arguments are flimsy and based on suspicions from Day 1/2 when nobody knew much of anything about anyone. You misrepresent events to further your arguments/suspicions. Every accusation you've made is screaming mafia to me.[/COLOR]

OMGUS? Fine lynch me. But please understand that if I turn out to be a town member, then the only thing I ask out of town is that they lynch your arse the next day. When this vote comes close I will also reveal my name and then my role. But understand, if I wind up on the chopping block, you are definitely not going to escape with a free lynch for mafia. Scum-hole.

OMGUS? Fine lynch me. But please understand that if I turn out to be a town member, then the only thing I ask out of town is that they lynch your arse the next day. When this vote comes close I will also reveal my name and then my role. But understand, if I wind up on the chopping block, you are definitely not going to escape with a free lynch for mafia. Scum-hole.

[color="#cc8899"]Wow, aggressive much? Chill on the insults - it's a game.
Also, lol WIFOM/revenge lynching.

And I spy people lurking - I'm going to see what they have to say now.[/COLOR]

OMGUS? Fine lynch me. But please understand that if I turn out to be a town member, then the only thing I ask out of town is that they lynch your arse the next day. When this vote comes close I will also reveal my name and then my role. But understand, if I wind up on the chopping block, you are definitely not going to escape with a free lynch for mafia. Scum-hole.

Corn if you're wrong on DarkManiak, we're going to lynch you tomorrow. Can you accept those circumstances?

@y0y0y0shi0: Not when it involved a counter-claim. Two people for the same role? Why are you hesitating. Are you getting self-conscious about your scum mate being bussed by you toDAY?

Really, Swerve? Really? Going back on your own word? Are you really tunneling Mas this hard that you're willing to throw around OMGUS with no substance, and still get away with calling Mas a "Scum-hole?"

Ugh. You give me a headache.

Mas: Holy/Kajiti/Shidoshi have been lurkaring for quite some time now. Don't really know what they've been doing, though.

Really, Swerve? Really? Going back on your own word? Are you really tunneling Mas this hard that you're willing to throw around OMGUS with no substance, and still get away with calling Mas a "Scum-hole?"

Ugh. You give me a headache.

Mas: Holy/Kajiti/Shidoshi have been lurkaring for quite some time now. Don't really know what they've been doing, though.

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Fapping? Dunno. Regardless, I'm tired of this back and forth with Swerve. It's going nowhere, and not worth my time.[/COLOR]

Reading and getting ready for tonight's party. Have to learn how to make a knot on a formal tie =P

It's going nowhere, and not worth my time.

Also, lol WIFOM/revenge lynching.

Fapping?

So guys I am the

[vote] Swerve

Gonna hop on this.
Usually by now you'd have at least acknowledged that I just cleared 9 pineappleing people of being mafia, and I'd love to see what happens from here. Instead, you continue to question Mas incessantly for simply voting you. OMGUS anyone? Your suspicions are failing, Swerve. I beseech thee.

Wait a second, when did you clear 9 people of being Mafia?

To re-iterate: Re-read the thread. We know Darkmaniak was mafia (who didn't he target?). Electric Six is dead (could he have been on the right track?). Corn is most likely not mafia. Then believe me when I state that Dual Reaver is undeniably innocent (due to my role) and xBTAx is suspicious (conversation). If anyone has a different list then please provide it. Do NOT let y0y0y0shi0 and MasPan do the thinking for you. Put in the time and think for yourself (ignore the hypocrisy of the parenthesis! Doh!). If you feel differently then share. You need to find the answers yourself and you need to contribute. I cannot emphasize this any more. D1 and D2 are important. To write them off is a bad mistake. I believe in my current analysis. I hope that you educate before coming to a vote. And I apologize for being so demanding.

Unknown: ChaoticCJ, Holypie, MetaSeraphim, Mephisto, Daku, Blaine
Possibly Unknown / Indie / Town: Corn (by confession), Shidoshi, Kajiti, and y0y0y0y0shi0
Possibly Town: Dual Reaver (by role), Jon (by association)
Possibly Mafia: MasPan, xBTAx